Dabo can get his ego stroked in Clemson just as well as in Tuscany

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Gotta love it

But yeah if UAT were located in Tuscany then Dabo would jump on it

I think the real question in what happens with Dabo sepends on what he does between now and Saban stepping down.

If he wins two or three more titles, why leave? If he consistently wins 10+ and conference titles, but no more national titles, the allure of Bama may be pretty high.

If they were looking for a coach today, the list has gotta start with Swinney and Petersen, no?

(09-07-2017 10:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Campaign, it's good to see one of the only Liberty fans who isn't completely myopic.

You will never be the protestant equivalent of ND or BYU.

And if either one of them were attempting it today, they wouldn't grow into close to what they are.

Notre Dame's fanbase, outside of their alumni base anyhow, was largely built in a time in which ND was one of the only teams on tv every week, not to mention residing in a state without a public powerhouse, families without teams of their own didn't have a ton of other options to adopt as their own and all those titles didn't hurt either.

BYU, also playing in state without a public powerhouse and has a far bigger connection with the church than ND does or Liberty could ever hope to. Oh and they won a national title.

What's more, where are the largest percentage of evangelicals? In the same region as the most rabid college football fanbase in the country. Not nearly as many "free agent fans" these days with the ability to watch just about any game you want.

You guys might pick up the kind of fans that Tim Tebow has that don't even really care so much about football, just that he's an outspoken Christian. That's not a fanbase.

And you guys may pick up some commitments from guys that otherwise wouldn't consider a new FBS indy program based on your religious affiliation, but those aren't going to be 5 star kids.

Your highside potential is the likes of Troy or Arkansas State when they were really clicking(which is admittedly more than my own alma mater has accomplished) and you'll be spending two to three times as much to do so.

In truth the only clear path for any program to accomplish anything is a P5 invite and I can tell you for damn sure, that's never happening.

A. "Never be a Protestant BYU/ND"

On what evidence do you base this belief? Numbers? Facts? Concrete debate points? Or feeling? Intuition? Vague statements about fanbases? In the spirit of Kahneman...do you make such a statement from system 1 or system 2 thinking? How much serious thought have you given the topic?

B. "What's more, where are the largest percentage of evangelicals? In the same region as the most rabid college football fanbase in the country."

You are correct, the southeast/south has the highest % of Evangelicals in the country. But Liberty is far more diverse than one might imagine. Consider our 2017 freshmen class and the top 5 states of matriculation:

1. Virginia
2. North Carolina
3. Pennsylvania
4. Maryland
5. Florida

VA and NC...sure, that is expected. Pennsylvania and Maryland? Not the first states one might think of when thinking Evangelical Protestants. For the record, Liberty is non-demoninational - we shed our Southern Baptist ties many years ago, and for good reason. Our brand is national, not regional. The class represents all 50 states and 80+ foreign countries. These are resident freshmen, not online students. The top countries in the class:

1. South Korea
2. Canada
3. China
4. Nigeria
5. Brazil

C. "Your highside potential is the likes of Troy or Arkansas State"

With all due respect to those two fine institutions, I would again urge you to look logically and rationally at the numbers. Consider budgets, facilities, mission, brand, academics, etc.. To say the high side potential is only as high as a regional G5 is shortsighted, at best. I don't want to put down Troy or A-State and thus I won't, though an unbiased look at the underlying numbers and realities of the three schools paints a different picture than what you describe. Consider, as per one small example, that Liberty's athletic budget is already larger than all SB and CUSA member institutions.

(09-08-2017 05:15 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 10:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Campaign, it's good to see one of the only Liberty fans who isn't completely myopic.

You will never be the protestant equivalent of ND or BYU.

And if either one of them were attempting it today, they wouldn't grow into close to what they are.

Notre Dame's fanbase, outside of their alumni base anyhow, was largely built in a time in which ND was one of the only teams on tv every week, not to mention residing in a state without a public powerhouse, families without teams of their own didn't have a ton of other options to adopt as their own and all those titles didn't hurt either.

BYU, also playing in state without a public powerhouse and has a far bigger connection with the church than ND does or Liberty could ever hope to. Oh and they won a national title.

What's more, where are the largest percentage of evangelicals? In the same region as the most rabid college football fanbase in the country. Not nearly as many "free agent fans" these days with the ability to watch just about any game you want.

You guys might pick up the kind of fans that Tim Tebow has that don't even really care so much about football, just that he's an outspoken Christian. That's not a fanbase.

And you guys may pick up some commitments from guys that otherwise wouldn't consider a new FBS indy program based on your religious affiliation, but those aren't going to be 5 star kids.

Your highside potential is the likes of Troy or Arkansas State when they were really clicking(which is admittedly more than my own alma mater has accomplished) and you'll be spending two to three times as much to do so.

In truth the only clear path for any program to accomplish anything is a P5 invite and I can tell you for damn sure, that's never happening.

A. "Never be a Protestant BYU/ND"

On what evidence do you base this belief? Numbers? Facts? Concrete debate points? Or feeling? Intuition? Vague statements about fanbases? In the spirit of Kahneman...do you make such a statement from system 1 or system 2 thinking? How much serious thought have you given the topic?

B. "What's more, where are the largest percentage of evangelicals? In the same region as the most rabid college football fanbase in the country."

You are correct, the southeast/south has the highest % of Evangelicals in the country. But Liberty is far more diverse than one might imagine. Consider our 2017 freshmen class and the top 5 states of matriculation:

1. Virginia
2. North Carolina
3. Pennsylvania
4. Maryland
5. Florida

VA and NC...sure, that is expected. Pennsylvania and Maryland? Not the first states one might think of when thinking Evangelical Protestants. For the record, Liberty is non-demoninational - we shed our Southern Baptist ties many years ago, and for good reason. Our brand is national, not regional. The class represents all 50 states and 80+ foreign countries. These are resident freshmen, not online students. The top countries in the class:

1. South Korea
2. Canada
3. China
4. Nigeria
5. Brazil

C. "Your highside potential is the likes of Troy or Arkansas State"

With all due respect to those two fine institutions, I would again urge you to look logically and rationally at the numbers. Consider budgets, facilities, mission, brand, academics, etc.. To say the high side potential is only as high as a regional G5 is shortsighted, at best. I don't want to put down Troy or A-State and thus I won't, though an unbiased look at the underlying numbers and realities of the three schools paints a different picture than what you describe. Consider, as per one small example, that Liberty's athletic budget is already larger than all SB and CUSA member institutions.

What have you accomplished with that budget? How many FCS Championships? You guys seem to think budget is everything. It's not. It's the value you get out of those $s. Now, I think Liberty will grow and do well, but if you've already been turned down by SBC and CUSA, you have a tough road ahead and you'll need all those $s.

I live 40 minutes from Liberty and know y'all well. I'll be in the visiting section when Southern Miss comes to town.

Money can't buy you better recruits, well not for long anyhow, and you throw your budget around as if I didn't even mention it...

(09-07-2017 10:41 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Your highside potential is the likes of Troy or Arkansas State when they were really clicking(which is admittedly more than my own alma mater has accomplished) and you'll be spending two to three times as much to do so.

Your bull**** exploitation tax exemption does give you quite the budgetary advatage, but what does that actually mean?

You guys can give yourself a scheduling advantage by buying home games and you can build better facilities.

You know who else can do that even more than the tax free Flames? Every P5, most of whom don't have the tax exemption, and they play in power conferences with major bowl ties.

The sad thing, for you deluded science deniers, is that if this was 30 years ago, you might actually have a real shot at coming up, but it's just too late, as I pointed out in my previous post, you don't have the opportunity to make the inroads that ND made when they were winning national titles and playing one of the only games on tv week after week. People who are otherwise uninterested in watching Liberty won't ever have to out of a lack of other options.

And BYU is a pillar of the Mormon church, you ever hear a Mormon talk about BYU? What percentage of Mormons in this country do you think went to BYU and/or married someone from BYU and/or sent their kids to BYU? I guarantee it's exponentially higher than the percentage of evangelicals who have the same relationship with Liberty. I'd bet a higher percentage of Mormons attend BYU, than the percentage of evangelicals that attend any religiously affiliated school period.

I really don't give a ****.