Tigers lose DL on targeting just because his helmet made contact with another players on the tackle and he did not put his head down or lead with it.

Yet Florida defender just led with his helmet and made helmet to helmet contact and the review said no targeting.

There needs to be an official third party review of these calls that can reverse the call during the games due to this inconsistent definition used by different crews.

(09-02-2017 04:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Tigers lose DL on targeting just because his helmet made contact with another players on the tackle and he did not put his head down or lead with it.

Yet Florida defender just led with his helmet and made helmet to helmet contact and the review said no targeting.

There needs to be an official third party review of these calls that can reverse the call during the games due to this inconsistent definition used by different crews.

Not sure about targeting but did you see the end of the Darlington race? I am here and the weather was great, racing was exciting and can't wait till tomorrow.

just like our last meeting with UCF under Justin Fuente. THAT was a targeting no call.

(09-02-2017 04:09 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Tigers lose DL on targeting just because his helmet made contact with another players on the tackle and he did not put his head down or lead with it.

Yet Florida defender just led with his helmet and made helmet to helmet contact and the review said no targeting.

There needs to be an official third party review of these calls that can reverse the call during the games due to this inconsistent definition used by different crews.

I agree. I thought it was a BS call against Wilson. They player was not defenseless, he did not launch, and the did not hit with the crown. Just because helmets make
contact doesnt make it targeting. Refs got it right on the reversal for FL player, but did not with Wilson. Maybe, we are appealing to the conference.

(09-02-2017 05:12 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  just like our last meeting with UCF under Justin Fuente. THAT was a targeting no call.

In my time, the type of hits like the one by UCF on Marquis Warford or the one by USF on BJ Ross got you a shout out by Jack Eaton and MORE playing time, not a suspension.

Michigan and Florida both were flagged for obvious targeting penalties. Both involved leading with the crown of the helmet above the shoulders of a defenseless player. Both were overruled.

Memphis player flagged for targeting as a result a incidental contact with the QB's helmet by a defenders face mask after the defender went through the QB's shoulder.

The teams and the stage the game is played on have a great influence on how games are officiated and are the primary determinate of what is 'targeting'.

(09-02-2017 05:32 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(09-02-2017 05:12 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  just like our last meeting with UCF under Justin Fuente. THAT was a targeting no call.

In my time, the type of hits like the one by UCF on Marquis Warford or the one by USF on BJ Ross got you a shout out by Jack Eaton and MORE playing time, not a suspension.

true, but with what we know now about CTE (and we're STILL learning about that btw), we have a duty to protect players.

Simple solution, and I get every argument about tough football and accidental and natural head banging.

Stop hitting the other team with your helmets.

To all teams out there.

And again, we get it and all the let them play stuff. Most of these penalties are correct. The kids just cannot stop themselves from that little extra I am a tough guy helmet lead. Stop it now. Simple.

Players have been taught from day to lead with their helmet which is a hard habit to break. It’s up to the coaches to make this change and start penalizing players for continuing to use this tactic.

The Jack Tatum (headhunter) days are over.

(09-03-2017 10:29 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Simple solution, and I get every argument about tough football and accidental and natural head banging.

Stop hitting the other team with your helmets.

To all teams out there.

And again, we get it and all the let them play stuff. Most of these penalties are correct. The kids just cannot stop themselves from that little extra I am a tough guy helmet lead. Stop it now. Simple.

That's fine and dandy in theory, Mimi but, we're less than one generation removed from decades of players who were taught since grade school to square up and lead with the crown of your head. Football is an emotional and violent game and always will be. You can't just turn off a switch in the heat of the game.

But I'll give you a pass because I understand most academicians are really good at theory.

When it starts causing teams wins in crucial games they’ll get the message. It’s obvious the refs are going to be looking for it more this season.

The rules have changed so either get with it or get hit with it.

The teevee announcer called him Swamp Dog, or Swamp Doggie? I'm still fascinated by that moniker.

Anyway Swamp Doggie did great--made some key plays.

I kept watching the clock ---Our Defense was on the field too long. I can't find that stat because I don't know where to look.

(09-03-2017 11:26 AM)TG4 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 10:29 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Simple solution, and I get every argument about tough football and accidental and natural head banging.

Stop hitting the other team with your helmets.

To all teams out there.

And again, we get it and all the let them play stuff. Most of these penalties are correct. The kids just cannot stop themselves from that little extra I am a tough guy helmet lead. Stop it now. Simple.

That's fine and dandy in theory, Mimi but, we're less than one generation removed from decades of players who were taught since grade school to square up and lead with the crown of your head. Football is an emotional and violent game and always will be. You can't just turn off a switch in the heat of the game.

But I'll give you a pass because I understand most academicians are really good at theory.

“Those who can do, those who can't teach.”

― George Bernard Shaw

(09-03-2017 11:26 AM)TG4 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 10:29 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Simple solution, and I get every argument about tough football and accidental and natural head banging.

Stop hitting the other team with your helmets.

To all teams out there.

And again, we get it and all the let them play stuff. Most of these penalties are correct. The kids just cannot stop themselves from that little extra I am a tough guy helmet lead. Stop it now. Simple.

That's fine and dandy in theory, Mimi but, we're less than one generation removed from decades of players who were taught since grade school to square up and lead with the crown of your head. Football is an emotional and violent game and always will be. You can't just turn off a switch in the heat of the game.

But I'll give you a pass because I understand most academicians are really good at theory.

Never remember being taught to drop my head ever for fear of spinal injuries. So yea it is more than a generation

See what you hit was what I was taught

(09-03-2017 10:44 AM)FarFromHome Wrote:  

Thanks for sharing. I'm glad to see them cracking down on shots to the head but I still don't understand why some of these hits on the video are a foul. When a player doesn't launch and doesn't hit another player in the head, why is that a foul? There is an example of the LSU quarterback in the video taking a hit in the chest and the defender gets flagged.

A player from Purdue was ejected for a hit on Lamar Jackson last night. The defender did lower his head and hit Jackson within a second after him releasing the football. There was no way to pull up. The crown of his helmet hit Jackson in the chest. He didn't launch. He was just trying to make a play. We are going to be watching flag football in a few years.

(09-03-2017 10:29 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Simple solution, and I get every argument about tough football and accidental and natural head banging.

Stop hitting the other team with your helmets.

To all teams out there.

And again, we get it and all the let them play stuff. Most of these penalties are correct. The kids just cannot stop themselves from that little extra I am a tough guy helmet lead. Stop it now. Simple.

You miss the entire point of the thread. It is the inconsistency of the call which is the issue.

BOTH plays in the UM/Fla game were far more flagrant than Wilson's hit. Yet the officials over turned the targeting on those plays and Wilson is out for incidental contact to the side of the helmet with his facemask.

The issue is we need a baseline on which to declare what is or is not targeting and a review board to see if the targeting call is legitimate or just an over reaction by a crew.

It is clear that some crews are not interpreting the call the same as other crews are doing it. And it goes for TV crews also as both calls in the UM/Fla game were over turned and the announcers agreed with the over turn. While the TV crew in our game were quick to declare it targeting.

(09-03-2017 03:08 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 10:44 AM)FarFromHome Wrote:  

Thanks for sharing. I'm glad to see them cracking down on shots to the head but I still don't understand why some of these hits on the video are a foul. When a player doesn't launch and doesn't hit another player in the head, why is that a foul? There is an example of the LSU quarterback in the video taking a hit in the chest and the defender gets flagged.

A player from Purdue was ejected for a hit on Lamar Jackson last night. The defender did lower his head and hit Jackson within a second after him releasing the football. There was no way to pull up. The crown of his helmet hit Jackson in the chest. He didn't launch. He was just trying to make a play. We are going to be watching flag football in a few years.

I dont believe you can ever hit with the crown od the helmet, but especially against a defenseless player such as a QB who just passed the ball.

(09-03-2017 05:05 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 10:29 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Simple solution, and I get every argument about tough football and accidental and natural head banging.

Stop hitting the other team with your helmets.

To all teams out there.

And again, we get it and all the let them play stuff. Most of these penalties are correct. The kids just cannot stop themselves from that little extra I am a tough guy helmet lead. Stop it now. Simple.

You miss the entire point of the thread. It is the inconsistency of the call which is the issue.

BOTH plays in the UM/Fla game were far more fragrant than Wilson's hit. Yet the officials over turned the targeting on those plays and Wilson is out for incidental contact to the side of the helmet with his facemask.

The issue is we need a baseline on which to declare what is or is not targeting and a review board to see if the targeting call is legitimate or just an over reaction by a crew.

It is clear that some crews are not interpreting the call the same as other crews are doing it. And it goes for TV crews also as both calls in the UM/Fla game were over turned and the announcers agreed with the over turn. While the TV crew in our game were quick to declare it targeting.

That's because the NCAA has too many bush league refs.

My main issue with the call is when an offensive player lowers his body or bends and lowers his head and the defender has nowhere to make contact except for the offensive players head and still gets a targeting call.

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