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(09-01-2017 07:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  
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(09-01-2017 04:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  
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(09-01-2017 01:49 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I'll side with the nurse every time on a issue like this. Poor judgement on the cop's part. He should know you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.


I have more of an issue with them wanting a sample from the guy in the first place. He did no wrong.

Hunh?

Did I miss that in the article? He was involved in an accident which killed the other driver. Cop may have thought the guy was drunk or on drugs, by the time he's conscious anything in his system could well be cleared.

I'm not defending his actions in regard to the nurse, but I could see why he wants a blood sample, had no idea (never thought about it) about that restriction.

Most places I think the cop can order a blood test, or if it can't be ordered but you refuse one, the presumption is guilty.

Yes, they didn't really say why they wanted the blood sample. Maybe the police officer had just pulled together the pieces of a 3 year old child this guy killed with drunk driving.
So, the Constitutional violation and false arrest was "for the children".



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We don't know what this officer was going through. Don't know the situation. When the boss started getting arrogant he lost it.

The cop was 100% in the wrong. Defending cops like this is why people don't trust cops. Want to help cops? Don't blindly support them, and weed out the idiots like this guy that have NO business wearing a badge.
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(09-01-2017 08:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I will add that in some departments in any collision involving a fatality it is required to do intoxicant screening of all drivers. Determining the cause of a collision isn't as simple as one would believe and you need to know all determining factors. I do not know the policy & procedures of the department in question but keep that in mind.

Doesn't matter their policy (which in UTAH is not to do what the Detective did.

Supreme Court ruled you can't take blood without consent. End of Story.
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(09-01-2017 09:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I will add that in some departments in any collision involving a fatality it is required to do intoxicant screening of all drivers. Determining the cause of a collision isn't as simple as one would believe and you need to know all determining factors. I do not know the policy & procedures of the department in question but keep that in mind.

Doesn't matter their policy (which in UTAH is not to do what the Detective did.

Supreme Court ruled you can't take blood without consent. End of Story.

There is no blanket police policy n Utah or anywhere in the US. Each agency has their own policy.

And if you had noticed the post just previous to the one you would see I said fire the officer.
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(09-01-2017 08:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:22 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 07:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  
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(09-01-2017 07:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  We don't know what this officer was going through. Don't know the situation. When the boss started getting arrogant he lost it.
He let a guy on a phone get under his skin enough to arrest a nurse following the law and policy? Shouldn't be a cop if he loses his cool that easy

Like I said, why did he lose it so easily? That's what we don't know. Doesn't mean its ok, but it could be understandable. Or maybe not.

You're trying to excuse the inexcusable. The SLCPD have already acknowledged that they failed to adequately train their staff on the law and that their behavior was not appropriate. A search is either legal or it isn't. An arrest is either legal or not. They don't have a leg to stand on regarding the demanded blood draw and I don't see how they have justification for the arrest. The nurse on the other hand complied with standard hospital policy for such circumstances which was vetted by U of U legal counsel and communicated to the police prior to this incident.

Moreover, "The Logan police detective assigned to the case believed "applied (sic ... should be 'implied') consent" laws — which Payne repeatedly cites in the video — allowed for the request, Hooley said. However, upon learning that the hospital was not agreeing to the blood draw, Hooley said the detective informed Salt Lake police that he would seek a medical subpoena in order to proceed."

LT My Law ignores the law

As bad as the officer's conduct was the LT's was worse. He's a supervisor. He's supposed to know the f'ing law better than his subordinates and support his command so that the public isn't abused. Officer Hulk and LT My Law should be suspended.

Amazing how many people on here have such poor reading comprehension. Schools aren't doing their job. Or maybe its just emotion without thought.

Nowhere did I excuse him. I just think you need to understand the circumstances before lynching him. Nobody is perfect. Many of you need some remedial reading classes.04-cheers

"Lynching" outstanding hyperbole. You're an excuse machine. You need to remove your head from your ass much more than anyone needs remediation. Police work is challenging. This wasn't a challenging case. The officer and his superior screwed up. It happens and the SLCPD admitted so. My opinion is that suspension not firing is appropriate. I could be wrong. What I'm not wrong on is the law.
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(09-01-2017 10:34 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:22 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 07:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 07:45 PM)solohawks Wrote:  He let a guy on a phone get under his skin enough to arrest a nurse following the law and policy? Shouldn't be a cop if he loses his cool that easy

Like I said, why did he lose it so easily? That's what we don't know. Doesn't mean its ok, but it could be understandable. Or maybe not.

You're trying to excuse the inexcusable. The SLCPD have already acknowledged that they failed to adequately train their staff on the law and that their behavior was not appropriate. A search is either legal or it isn't. An arrest is either legal or not. They don't have a leg to stand on regarding the demanded blood draw and I don't see how they have justification for the arrest. The nurse on the other hand complied with standard hospital policy for such circumstances which was vetted by U of U legal counsel and communicated to the police prior to this incident.

Moreover, "The Logan police detective assigned to the case believed "applied (sic ... should be 'implied') consent" laws — which Payne repeatedly cites in the video — allowed for the request, Hooley said. However, upon learning that the hospital was not agreeing to the blood draw, Hooley said the detective informed Salt Lake police that he would seek a medical subpoena in order to proceed."

LT My Law ignores the law

As bad as the officer's conduct was the LT's was worse. He's a supervisor. He's supposed to know the f'ing law better than his subordinates and support his command so that the public isn't abused. Officer Hulk and LT My Law should be suspended.

Amazing how many people on here have such poor reading comprehension. Schools aren't doing their job. Or maybe its just emotion without thought.

Nowhere did I excuse him. I just think you need to understand the circumstances before lynching him. Nobody is perfect. Many of you need some remedial reading classes.04-cheers

"Lynching" outstanding hyperbole. You're an excuse machine. You need to remove your head from your ass much more than anyone needs remediation. Police work is challenging. This wasn't a challenging case. The officer and his superior screwed up. It happens and the SLCPD admitted so. My opinion is that suspension not firing is appropriate. I could be wrong. What I'm not wrong on is the law.

Too many imperfect people (every one of us are imperfect) hold others up to standards of perfection. Now if it was an unjustified arrest as it appears, he created the risk of civil action as I said and you chose to ignore. But you need to know the whole situation in evaluating the discipline. You don't know what challenges faced that officer that day. And Tom was asking why he wasn't arrested and called it assault.
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Should have charged her with resisting arrest.
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(09-02-2017 01:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 10:34 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:22 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 07:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  Like I said, why did he lose it so easily? That's what we don't know. Doesn't mean its ok, but it could be understandable. Or maybe not.

You're trying to excuse the inexcusable. The SLCPD have already acknowledged that they failed to adequately train their staff on the law and that their behavior was not appropriate. A search is either legal or it isn't. An arrest is either legal or not. They don't have a leg to stand on regarding the demanded blood draw and I don't see how they have justification for the arrest. The nurse on the other hand complied with standard hospital policy for such circumstances which was vetted by U of U legal counsel and communicated to the police prior to this incident.

Moreover, "The Logan police detective assigned to the case believed "applied (sic ... should be 'implied') consent" laws — which Payne repeatedly cites in the video — allowed for the request, Hooley said. However, upon learning that the hospital was not agreeing to the blood draw, Hooley said the detective informed Salt Lake police that he would seek a medical subpoena in order to proceed."

LT My Law ignores the law

As bad as the officer's conduct was the LT's was worse. He's a supervisor. He's supposed to know the f'ing law better than his subordinates and support his command so that the public isn't abused. Officer Hulk and LT My Law should be suspended.

Amazing how many people on here have such poor reading comprehension. Schools aren't doing their job. Or maybe its just emotion without thought.

Nowhere did I excuse him. I just think you need to understand the circumstances before lynching him. Nobody is perfect. Many of you need some remedial reading classes.04-cheers

"Lynching" outstanding hyperbole. You're an excuse machine. You need to remove your head from your ass much more than anyone needs remediation. Police work is challenging. This wasn't a challenging case. The officer and his superior screwed up. It happens and the SLCPD admitted so. My opinion is that suspension not firing is appropriate. I could be wrong. What I'm not wrong on is the law.

Too many imperfect people (every one of us are imperfect) hold others up to standards of perfection. Now if it was an unjustified arrest as it appears, he created the risk of civil action as I said and you chose to ignore. But you need to know the whole situation in evaluating the discipline. You don't know what challenges faced that officer that day. And Tom was asking why he wasn't arrested and called it assault.
If you have a bad day...then violating someone's Constitutional rights and instigating a false arrest are ok.

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(09-02-2017 01:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 10:34 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:22 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 07:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  Like I said, why did he lose it so easily? That's what we don't know. Doesn't mean its ok, but it could be understandable. Or maybe not.

You're trying to excuse the inexcusable. The SLCPD have already acknowledged that they failed to adequately train their staff on the law and that their behavior was not appropriate. A search is either legal or it isn't. An arrest is either legal or not. They don't have a leg to stand on regarding the demanded blood draw and I don't see how they have justification for the arrest. The nurse on the other hand complied with standard hospital policy for such circumstances which was vetted by U of U legal counsel and communicated to the police prior to this incident.

Moreover, "The Logan police detective assigned to the case believed "applied (sic ... should be 'implied') consent" laws — which Payne repeatedly cites in the video — allowed for the request, Hooley said. However, upon learning that the hospital was not agreeing to the blood draw, Hooley said the detective informed Salt Lake police that he would seek a medical subpoena in order to proceed."

LT My Law ignores the law

As bad as the officer's conduct was the LT's was worse. He's a supervisor. He's supposed to know the f'ing law better than his subordinates and support his command so that the public isn't abused. Officer Hulk and LT My Law should be suspended.

Amazing how many people on here have such poor reading comprehension. Schools aren't doing their job. Or maybe its just emotion without thought.

Nowhere did I excuse him. I just think you need to understand the circumstances before lynching him. Nobody is perfect. Many of you need some remedial reading classes.04-cheers

"Lynching" outstanding hyperbole. You're an excuse machine. You need to remove your head from your ass much more than anyone needs remediation. Police work is challenging. This wasn't a challenging case. The officer and his superior screwed up. It happens and the SLCPD admitted so. My opinion is that suspension not firing is appropriate. I could be wrong. What I'm not wrong on is the law.

Too many imperfect people (every one of us are imperfect) hold others up to standards of perfection. Now if it was an unjustified arrest as it appears, he created the risk of civil action as I said and you chose to ignore. But you need to know the whole situation in evaluating the discipline. You don't know what challenges faced that officer that day. And Tom was asking why he wasn't arrested and called it assault.

You stated that the nurse should sue her supervisor. I stated (correctly) that she should sue the PD. It would be a slam dunk case. Her supervisor isn't at fault a fact acknowledged by SLCPD but not you.

The officer plainly stated that he didn't know the law when he repeatedly cited implied consent. It's his responsibility to know the law. It's also his responsibility not to commit unlawful searches and unlawful arrests. That's why he's been suspended and I believe his LT has been suspended as well. SLCPD has acknowledged their failure in this area and that the nurse was correct. This isn't about feels. Yet here you remain tripling down on your stupidity.
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(09-01-2017 01:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 12:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/08/31/ut...us-victim/

This bully is still on duty. He should be criminally charged and lose his pension. So should the other security officers who watched it.

Is there anything a police officer can do, even when clearly in the wrong, that results in a criminal conviction? In this case, the officer is still on duty.

She should sue her boss who was on the phone. He was the one who set off the police officer. Real jerk challenging a police officer over the phone while his employee was face to face.

You, as typical, grossly exaggerate in your headline. He didn't assault her. She did resist arrest, which is breaking a law, but he did not use excessive force (it was pretty minimal). Now he probably had no legitimate basis for arresting her. But that is grounds for a civil lawsuit. There was nothing the police officer did illegal. He just used poor judgement and lost his temper at the nurse's arrogant boss.

The policeman was 1000% in the wrong here. False imprisonment, assault, violations of civil rights.

Interference with medical care.
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(09-02-2017 09:14 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 10:34 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:22 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  You're trying to excuse the inexcusable. The SLCPD have already acknowledged that they failed to adequately train their staff on the law and that their behavior was not appropriate. A search is either legal or it isn't. An arrest is either legal or not. They don't have a leg to stand on regarding the demanded blood draw and I don't see how they have justification for the arrest. The nurse on the other hand complied with standard hospital policy for such circumstances which was vetted by U of U legal counsel and communicated to the police prior to this incident.

Moreover, "The Logan police detective assigned to the case believed "applied (sic ... should be 'implied') consent" laws — which Payne repeatedly cites in the video — allowed for the request, Hooley said. However, upon learning that the hospital was not agreeing to the blood draw, Hooley said the detective informed Salt Lake police that he would seek a medical subpoena in order to proceed."

LT My Law ignores the law

As bad as the officer's conduct was the LT's was worse. He's a supervisor. He's supposed to know the f'ing law better than his subordinates and support his command so that the public isn't abused. Officer Hulk and LT My Law should be suspended.

Amazing how many people on here have such poor reading comprehension. Schools aren't doing their job. Or maybe its just emotion without thought.

Nowhere did I excuse him. I just think you need to understand the circumstances before lynching him. Nobody is perfect. Many of you need some remedial reading classes.04-cheers

"Lynching" outstanding hyperbole. You're an excuse machine. You need to remove your head from your ass much more than anyone needs remediation. Police work is challenging. This wasn't a challenging case. The officer and his superior screwed up. It happens and the SLCPD admitted so. My opinion is that suspension not firing is appropriate. I could be wrong. What I'm not wrong on is the law.

Too many imperfect people (every one of us are imperfect) hold others up to standards of perfection. Now if it was an unjustified arrest as it appears, he created the risk of civil action as I said and you chose to ignore. But you need to know the whole situation in evaluating the discipline. You don't know what challenges faced that officer that day. And Tom was asking why he wasn't arrested and called it assault.
If you have a bad day...then violating someone's Constitutional rights and instigating a false arrest are ok.

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Yea, the appropriate response should be termination, loss of pension, and criminal conviction. You can't go around terrorizing people using your badge as a shield when someone dares to assert their constitutional rights.

And the police Lt should face the same fate. Loss of pension, criminal conviction, and loss of job.

And then the police officer threatened the hospital with dumping homeless patients on the hospital because they dared to not violate the law.

By the way, the hospital security staff should be fired too.
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(09-01-2017 03:40 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Yeah, I'd say when this is all said and done...

1. She's gonna be rich (and rightfully so).

2. That policeman will be fired (and rightfully so).

She was calmly explaining the law and the hospital and police's legal agreement to abide by it. All he had to do was go request a warrant. It's not incredibly difficult. He was trying to cut time and paperwork by talking her into doing something she knew and the hospital proved was illegal.

My wife is a nurse. If this happened to her, we'd be filing a lawsuit against the city and that *******.

You can't arrest someone who is abiding by the law and was doing so respectfully. She wasn't being disrespectful by any stretch of the imagination. The officer is 100% wrong here.

The critical thing here is a criminal conviction for the cop.
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(09-02-2017 12:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 09:14 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 10:34 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  Amazing how many people on here have such poor reading comprehension. Schools aren't doing their job. Or maybe its just emotion without thought.

Nowhere did I excuse him. I just think you need to understand the circumstances before lynching him. Nobody is perfect. Many of you need some remedial reading classes.04-cheers

"Lynching" outstanding hyperbole. You're an excuse machine. You need to remove your head from your ass much more than anyone needs remediation. Police work is challenging. This wasn't a challenging case. The officer and his superior screwed up. It happens and the SLCPD admitted so. My opinion is that suspension not firing is appropriate. I could be wrong. What I'm not wrong on is the law.

Too many imperfect people (every one of us are imperfect) hold others up to standards of perfection. Now if it was an unjustified arrest as it appears, he created the risk of civil action as I said and you chose to ignore. But you need to know the whole situation in evaluating the discipline. You don't know what challenges faced that officer that day. And Tom was asking why he wasn't arrested and called it assault.
If you have a bad day...then violating someone's Constitutional rights and instigating a false arrest are ok.

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Yea, the appropriate response should be termination, loss of pension, and criminal conviction. You can't go around terrorizing people using your badge as a shield when someone dares to assert their constitutional rights.

And the police Lt should face the same fate. Loss of pension, criminal conviction, and loss of job.

And then the police officer threatened the hospital with dumping homeless patients on the hospital because they dared to not violate the law.

By the way, the hospital security staff should be fired too.

After reading further on this I agree that the two officers should be fired and hopefully they'll be convicted. Also, it turns out that as of a few months ago assaulting a medical professional became a third degree felony in Utah. If the DA is at all competent these two goons should end up in a world of trouble. And yes, the security staff who stood by and did nothing need to go too.
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(09-02-2017 12:58 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 03:40 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Yeah, I'd say when this is all said and done...

1. She's gonna be rich (and rightfully so).

2. That policeman will be fired (and rightfully so).

She was calmly explaining the law and the hospital and police's legal agreement to abide by it. All he had to do was go request a warrant. It's not incredibly difficult. He was trying to cut time and paperwork by talking her into doing something she knew and the hospital proved was illegal.

My wife is a nurse. If this happened to her, we'd be filing a lawsuit against the city and that *******.

You can't arrest someone who is abiding by the law and was doing so respectfully. She wasn't being disrespectful by any stretch of the imagination. The officer is 100% wrong here.

The critical thing here is a criminal conviction for the cop.

Could not agree more. completely unacceptable behavior and a terrible violation of a medical professional that was following agreed protocol.
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Rare to see a thread here where (for the most part) everyone agrees. I haven't been paying super close attention to the story but has anyone mentioned the nurse is an ex-athlete (she competed in Alpine skiing in the 1998 and 2002 Winter Olympics under her maiden name of Alex Shaffer). That's not too pertinent to the story I suppose but I guess if she's skiied down hills at 30-40 MPH, she probably has the guts to stand up to an officer when he's not doing his job correctly.
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(09-01-2017 02:03 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Found a picture of the hospital's legal counsel:

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No doubt about it...she will likely never have to work again...I just wonder what set the cop off...
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(09-02-2017 09:14 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 10:34 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:22 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  You're trying to excuse the inexcusable. The SLCPD have already acknowledged that they failed to adequately train their staff on the law and that their behavior was not appropriate. A search is either legal or it isn't. An arrest is either legal or not. They don't have a leg to stand on regarding the demanded blood draw and I don't see how they have justification for the arrest. The nurse on the other hand complied with standard hospital policy for such circumstances which was vetted by U of U legal counsel and communicated to the police prior to this incident.

Moreover, "The Logan police detective assigned to the case believed "applied (sic ... should be 'implied') consent" laws — which Payne repeatedly cites in the video — allowed for the request, Hooley said. However, upon learning that the hospital was not agreeing to the blood draw, Hooley said the detective informed Salt Lake police that he would seek a medical subpoena in order to proceed."

LT My Law ignores the law

As bad as the officer's conduct was the LT's was worse. He's a supervisor. He's supposed to know the f'ing law better than his subordinates and support his command so that the public isn't abused. Officer Hulk and LT My Law should be suspended.

Amazing how many people on here have such poor reading comprehension. Schools aren't doing their job. Or maybe its just emotion without thought.

Nowhere did I excuse him. I just think you need to understand the circumstances before lynching him. Nobody is perfect. Many of you need some remedial reading classes.04-cheers

"Lynching" outstanding hyperbole. You're an excuse machine. You need to remove your head from your ass much more than anyone needs remediation. Police work is challenging. This wasn't a challenging case. The officer and his superior screwed up. It happens and the SLCPD admitted so. My opinion is that suspension not firing is appropriate. I could be wrong. What I'm not wrong on is the law.

Too many imperfect people (every one of us are imperfect) hold others up to standards of perfection. Now if it was an unjustified arrest as it appears, he created the risk of civil action as I said and you chose to ignore. But you need to know the whole situation in evaluating the discipline. You don't know what challenges faced that officer that day. And Tom was asking why he wasn't arrested and called it assault.
If you have a bad day...then violating someone's Constitutional rights and instigating a false arrest are ok.

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RE: SLC policeman doesn't get his way, assaults Nurse, still on duty
(09-02-2017 10:58 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 10:34 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:22 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  You're trying to excuse the inexcusable. The SLCPD have already acknowledged that they failed to adequately train their staff on the law and that their behavior was not appropriate. A search is either legal or it isn't. An arrest is either legal or not. They don't have a leg to stand on regarding the demanded blood draw and I don't see how they have justification for the arrest. The nurse on the other hand complied with standard hospital policy for such circumstances which was vetted by U of U legal counsel and communicated to the police prior to this incident.

Moreover, "The Logan police detective assigned to the case believed "applied (sic ... should be 'implied') consent" laws — which Payne repeatedly cites in the video — allowed for the request, Hooley said. However, upon learning that the hospital was not agreeing to the blood draw, Hooley said the detective informed Salt Lake police that he would seek a medical subpoena in order to proceed."

LT My Law ignores the law

As bad as the officer's conduct was the LT's was worse. He's a supervisor. He's supposed to know the f'ing law better than his subordinates and support his command so that the public isn't abused. Officer Hulk and LT My Law should be suspended.

Amazing how many people on here have such poor reading comprehension. Schools aren't doing their job. Or maybe its just emotion without thought.

Nowhere did I excuse him. I just think you need to understand the circumstances before lynching him. Nobody is perfect. Many of you need some remedial reading classes.04-cheers

"Lynching" outstanding hyperbole. You're an excuse machine. You need to remove your head from your ass much more than anyone needs remediation. Police work is challenging. This wasn't a challenging case. The officer and his superior screwed up. It happens and the SLCPD admitted so. My opinion is that suspension not firing is appropriate. I could be wrong. What I'm not wrong on is the law.

Too many imperfect people (every one of us are imperfect) hold others up to standards of perfection. Now if it was an unjustified arrest as it appears, he created the risk of civil action as I said and you chose to ignore. But you need to know the whole situation in evaluating the discipline. You don't know what challenges faced that officer that day. And Tom was asking why he wasn't arrested and called it assault.

You stated that the nurse should sue her supervisor. I stated (correctly) that she should sue the PD. It would be a slam dunk case. Her supervisor isn't at fault a fact acknowledged by SLCPD but not you.

The officer plainly stated that he didn't know the law when he repeatedly cited implied consent. It's his responsibility to know the law. It's also his responsibility not to commit unlawful searches and unlawful arrests. That's why he's been suspended and I believe his LT has been suspended as well. SLCPD has acknowledged their failure in this area and that the nurse was correct. This isn't about feels. Yet here you remain tripling down on your stupidity.

Suing the supervisor was hyperbole. I also said she had a possible civil action against the police department.

You triple down on showing that you lack the emotional control to understand what you read or are simply too lacking in intelligence. I
'll give you the benefit of a doubt. You don't like what happened so anybody who isn't as totally offended as you is either stupid or evil. In other words, you are like way too many people these days.
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RE: SLC policeman doesn't get his way, assaults Nurse, still on duty
(09-03-2017 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 10:58 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-02-2017 01:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 10:34 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-01-2017 08:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  Amazing how many people on here have such poor reading comprehension. Schools aren't doing their job. Or maybe its just emotion without thought.

Nowhere did I excuse him. I just think you need to understand the circumstances before lynching him. Nobody is perfect. Many of you need some remedial reading classes.04-cheers

"Lynching" outstanding hyperbole. You're an excuse machine. You need to remove your head from your ass much more than anyone needs remediation. Police work is challenging. This wasn't a challenging case. The officer and his superior screwed up. It happens and the SLCPD admitted so. My opinion is that suspension not firing is appropriate. I could be wrong. What I'm not wrong on is the law.

Too many imperfect people (every one of us are imperfect) hold others up to standards of perfection. Now if it was an unjustified arrest as it appears, he created the risk of civil action as I said and you chose to ignore. But you need to know the whole situation in evaluating the discipline. You don't know what challenges faced that officer that day. And Tom was asking why he wasn't arrested and called it assault.

You stated that the nurse should sue her supervisor. I stated (correctly) that she should sue the PD. It would be a slam dunk case. Her supervisor isn't at fault a fact acknowledged by SLCPD but not you.

The officer plainly stated that he didn't know the law when he repeatedly cited implied consent. It's his responsibility to know the law. It's also his responsibility not to commit unlawful searches and unlawful arrests. That's why he's been suspended and I believe his LT has been suspended as well. SLCPD has acknowledged their failure in this area and that the nurse was correct. This isn't about feels. Yet here you remain tripling down on your stupidity.

Suing the supervisor was hyperbole. I also said she had a possible civil action against the police department.

You triple down on showing that you lack the emotional control to understand what you read or are simply too lacking in intelligence. I
'll give you the benefit of a doubt. You don't like what happened so anybody who isn't as totally offended as you is either stupid or evil. In other words, you are like way too many people these days.

This isn't about money, its about putting the police officer in prison. Even after he assaulted the nurse and falsely imprisoned her, he threatened the hospital too. He got told no and couldn't handle it so he decided to be a bully.
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RE: SLC policeman doesn't get his way, assaults Nurse, still on duty
The officer was in the right but handled himself poorly.

The exigency of the situation overrides the hospital policy.

The officer's reaction is problematic but he wasn't wrong--the nurse was.

It's doubtful she will make a penny off this.

One does not receive an extra layer of constitutional protection by virtue of being out cold.

This event was caused by the ignorance of both parties.
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