(09-04-2017 09:14 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Lets be realistic...We are not going to deport these people. Give them green cards and path to citizenship as long as they have not committed crimes more than a misdemeanor.

Their parents who knowingly broke the law entering should never have a path to citizenship. They were felons as soon as they crossed the border.

DACA kids should be allowed to earn their citizenship through military service, college/gainful employment plus no criminal record and then going through the naturalization process like any other non citizen seeking citizenship. The actions of their parents shouldn't ruin their whole lives but they also shouldn't automatically be given citizenship either.

(09-04-2017 09:14 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Lets be realistic...We are not going to deport these people. Give them green cards and path to citizenship as long as they have not committed crimes more than a misdemeanor.

We're gonna need them to fight some wars. At least we know they're not ***** hatters. They'll be willing to do some fighting. ***** hatters not so much.

I say don't let them sponsor their parents either, let the parents stay without citizenship, just green cards. That's why the Demons wanted them in the first place, for votes.

(09-04-2017 10:15 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 09:14 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Lets be realistic...We are not going to deport these people. Give them green cards and path to citizenship as long as they have not committed crimes more than a misdemeanor.

Their parents who knowingly broke the law entering should never have a path to citizenship. They were felons as soon as they crossed the border.
DACA kids should be allowed to earn their citizenship through military service, college/gainful employment plus no criminal record and then going through the naturalization process like any other non citizen seeking citizenship. The actions of their parents shouldn't ruin their whole lives but they also shouldn't automatically be given citizenship either.

Do like virtually every other country in the world and give the parents guest worker status, with no path to citizenship. If they want citizenship, they can go back home and reenter by the numbers.

Let the kids stay on their parents' status until 18. Then they can earn citizenship with military service, or guest worker status by going to trade school or university, plus gainful employment, or they can go back to wherever they came from. All of these options would, of course, be contingent on maintaining a clean criminal record.

And insist that all of them learn English, and also something about our history.

(09-04-2017 10:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 10:15 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 09:14 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Lets be realistic...We are not going to deport these people. Give them green cards and path to citizenship as long as they have not committed crimes more than a misdemeanor.

Their parents who knowingly broke the law entering should never have a path to citizenship. They were felons as soon as they crossed the border.
DACA kids should be allowed to earn their citizenship through military service, college/gainful employment plus no criminal record and then going through the naturalization process like any other non citizen seeking citizenship. The actions of their parents shouldn't ruin their whole lives but they also shouldn't automatically be given citizenship either.

Do like virtually every other country in the world and give the parents guest worker status, with no path to citizenship. If they want citizenship, they can go back home and reenter by the numbers.

Let the kids stay on their parents' status until 18. Then they can earn citizenship with military service, or guest worker status by going to trade school or university, plus gainful employment, or they can go back to wherever they came from. All of these options would, of course, be contingent on maintaining a clean criminal record.

And insist that all of them learn English, and also something about our history.

that is of the utmost importance.....

so few even consider that guy when factoring.....

how so many have lost sight (the PC whackjobbers) why we have evolved to this point is beyond my ability to comprehend.....

(09-04-2017 10:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 10:15 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 09:14 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Lets be realistic...We are not going to deport these people. Give them green cards and path to citizenship as long as they have not committed crimes more than a misdemeanor.

Their parents who knowingly broke the law entering should never have a path to citizenship. They were felons as soon as they crossed the border.
DACA kids should be allowed to earn their citizenship through military service, college/gainful employment plus no criminal record and then going through the naturalization process like any other non citizen seeking citizenship. The actions of their parents shouldn't ruin their whole lives but they also shouldn't automatically be given citizenship either.

Do like virtually every other country in the world and give the parents guest worker status, with no path to citizenship. If they want citizenship, they can go back home and reenter by the numbers.

Let the kids stay on their parents' status until 18. Then they can earn citizenship with military service, or guest worker status by going to trade school or university, plus gainful employment, or they can go back to wherever they came from. All of these options would, of course, be contingent on maintaining a clean criminal record.

And insist that all of them learn English, and also something about our history.

Every time we give some kind of amnesty, the problems get worse. They are not stupid. Reagan had a 3 million person problem, gave them citizenship and turned it into a 12 million person problem.

They can't get any breaks towards citizenship.

We should start cutting aid to countries of origin for the cost of each illegal

(09-04-2017 11:13 AM)shere khan Wrote:  We should start cutting aid to countries of origin for the cost of each illegal

#cutTHEIRthroats

(09-04-2017 11:15 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 11:13 AM)shere khan Wrote:  We should start cutting aid to countries of origin for the cost of each illegal

#cutTHEIRthroats

Seeiously, cut funding we send to those countries to cover their costs. When that runs out cut their neighbors.

(09-04-2017 11:22 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 11:15 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 11:13 AM)shere khan Wrote:  We should start cutting aid to countries of origin for the cost of each illegal

#cutTHEIRthroats

seriously, cut funding we send to those countries to cover their costs. When that runs out cut their neighbors.

hence, my figurative posit.....

(09-04-2017 10:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 10:15 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 09:14 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Lets be realistic...We are not going to deport these people. Give them green cards and path to citizenship as long as they have not committed crimes more than a misdemeanor.

Their parents who knowingly broke the law entering should never have a path to citizenship. They were felons as soon as they crossed the border.
DACA kids should be allowed to earn their citizenship through military service, college/gainful employment plus no criminal record and then going through the naturalization process like any other non citizen seeking citizenship. The actions of their parents shouldn't ruin their whole lives but they also shouldn't automatically be given citizenship either.

Do like virtually every other country in the world and give the parents guest worker status, with no path to citizenship. If they want citizenship, they can go back home and reenter by the numbers.

Let the kids stay on their parents' status until 18. Then they can earn citizenship with military service, or guest worker status by going to trade school or university, plus gainful employment, or they can go back to wherever they came from. All of these options would, of course, be contingent on maintaining a clean criminal record.

And insist that all of them learn English, and also something about our history.

Actually, its not virtually every other country. Countries that have a permanent underclass of never eligible citizens are places like Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc.

(09-04-2017 09:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This is a good move.

While I sympathize on a personal level with them it isn't the US's fault their parents broke the law and did this to them.

No you don't. What a crock of ****. If you had any sympathy or empathy for these kids you'd be against the executive order. It's cruel, unChristian, and unAmerican to turn them out.

You can say you sympathize till you're blue in the face but I and millions of Americans see right through it.

President Trump is doing the right thing. Undo the EO, and hand it to Congress. What obama should have done in the first place.

(09-04-2017 12:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 09:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This is a good move.

While I sympathize on a personal level with them it isn't the US's fault their parents broke the law and did this to them.

No you don't. What a crock of ****. If you had any sympathy or empathy for these kids you'd be against the executive order. It's cruel, unChristian, and unAmerican to turn them out.

You can say you sympathize till you're blue in the face but I and millions of Americans see right through it.

I wouldn't make any that are here already leave. I would grandfather them in. End the program for new arrivals and don't incentivize illegal immigration. If Congress wants to pass a law allowing the world's children free immigration, so be it. Just enforce the law.

(09-04-2017 12:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 09:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This is a good move.

While I sympathize on a personal level with them it isn't the US's fault their parents broke the law and did this to them.

No you don't. What a crock of ****. If you had any sympathy or empathy for these kids you'd be against the executive order. It's cruel, unChristian, and unAmerican to turn them out.

You can say you sympathize till you're blue in the face but I and millions of Americans see right through it.

Actually one can have sympathy for the those who fall under DACA and be against the executive order.

I'm against the executive order because I believe that Obama overstepped his legal authority enacting DACA. He does not have the power Constitutionally to give them legal status with his pen and phone. If DACA had gone through proper channels (Congress) what was done could not so easily be undone.

Obama didn't want to compromise and wanted a no strings attached path to full citizenship so he used the EO.

I don't agree with DACA is it is written but believe a compromise should be worked out to allow them to stay on a green card type visa as long as they are contributing members of society and have no criminal record. If they want to become citizens they should queue up and go through the naturalization process same as any other non-citizen because they aren't US citizens.

(09-04-2017 12:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 09:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This is a good move.

While I sympathize on a personal level with them it isn't the US's fault their parents broke the law and did this to them.

No you don't. What a crock of ****. If you had any sympathy or empathy for these kids you'd be against the executive order. It's cruel, unChristian, and unAmerican to turn them out.

You can say you sympathize till you're blue in the face but I and millions of Americans see right through it.

Whatever...

Why don't you man up and actually honor your bet?

No, seriously, I want to know what makes you the kind of person that won't honor it.

(09-04-2017 12:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 09:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This is a good move.

While I sympathize on a personal level with them it isn't the US's fault their parents broke the law and did this to them.

No you don't. What a crock of ****. If you had any sympathy or empathy for these kids you'd be against the executive order. It's cruel, unChristian, and unAmerican to turn them out.

You can say you sympathize till you're blue in the face but I and millions of Americans see right through it.

The vast majority of them are Adults, jeez do some research.

(09-04-2017 12:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 09:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This is a good move.

While I sympathize on a personal level with them it isn't the US's fault their parents broke the law and did this to them.

No you don't. What a crock of ****. If you had any sympathy or empathy for these kids you'd be against the executive order. It's cruel, unChristian, and unAmerican to turn them out.

You can say you sympathize till you're blue in the face but I and millions of Americans see right through it.

Lets be clear--the executive order that created this mess was illegal and the courts are now near to a point where the courts will throw it out anyway. The executive order establishing DACA was necessary because Obama couldnt get it done legally in the congress---so Obama acted unilaterally with power he didnt have---which is why we have this mess.

Like Ive said before, Americans hate retroactive laws, so my guess is that current DACA participants will allowed to complete the program---with perhaps some limitations or requirements added. Beyond its current participants, DACA will end. Its basically house keeping, with Trump forced to clean up yet another mess left by the law breaking law ignoring Obama administration who we are seeing played fast and loose with the law (primarily because a lap dog press let him get away with it) and kicked the can down the road on most any tough issue.

(09-04-2017 01:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 09:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This is a good move.

While I sympathize on a personal level with them it isn't the US's fault their parents broke the law and did this to them.

No you don't. What a crock of ****. If you had any sympathy or empathy for these kids you'd be against the executive order. It's cruel, unChristian, and unAmerican to turn them out.

You can say you sympathize till you're blue in the face but I and millions of Americans see right through it.

The vast majority of them are Adults, jeez do some research.

You expected him to know that?

In all seriousness, DACA was a promise from one man--not the US Government.

It was illegal from the start and shouldn't have ever been allowed to stand.

The people who received a benefit from it have gotten that benefit. Their criminal parents can be proud they got their kids something but now that's over.

We should use the DACA rolls to locate, arrest, and deport.

It's unfortunate but the only people to blame are their parents. Being a criminal should not pay. Saying that in fact cheaters do prosper undermines the foundation of our entire system.

On an individual level, it's a shame. But, that's not a sound basis for a policy.

(09-04-2017 01:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 01:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 12:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(09-04-2017 09:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This is a good move.

While I sympathize on a personal level with them it isn't the US's fault their parents broke the law and did this to them.

No you don't. What a crock of ****. If you had any sympathy or empathy for these kids you'd be against the executive order. It's cruel, unChristian, and unAmerican to turn them out.

You can say you sympathize till you're blue in the face but I and millions of Americans see right through it.

The vast majority of them are Adults, jeez do some research.

You expected him to know that?

In all seriousness, DACA was a promise from one man--not the US Government.

It was illegal from the start and shouldn't have ever been allowed to stand.

The people who received a benefit from it have gotten that benefit. Their criminal parents can be proud they got their kids something but now that's over.

We should use the DACA rolls to locate, arrest, and deport.

It's unfortunate but the only people to blame are their parents. Being a criminal should not pay. Saying that in fact cheaters do prosper undermines the foundation of our entire system.

On an individual level, it's a shame. But, that's not a sound basis for a policy.

(09-04-2017 12:44 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  No you don't. What a crock of ****. If you had any sympathy or empathy for these kids you'd be against the executive order. It's cruel, unChristian, and unAmerican to turn them out.
You can say you sympathize till you're blue in the face but I and millions of Americans see right through it.

I'm sorry but your comment is the crock. I have no problem with a policy that allows them to stay as guest workers but requires them to obey the law in order to become citizens, which means go back home and return by lawful means. There is absolutely nothing about that approach that fails to sympathize, or empathize, with those people who are caught in this situation.

The only reason this is a partisan issue is because the left can't wait to harvest millions of new voters. They don't give a damn about them as people, just make sure they get to the polls on election day. And millions of us see right through that.