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The Rocky Mountain Work Around
I posted a suggestion in the realignment thread on the Big 10 board. There is a work around that would be highly profitable for the Big 10 should they not really want Oklahoma due to academics, or should Oklahoma choose to go elsewhere.

The PAC contract is up 1 year after that of the Big 10. I know Colorado made the move to the PAC, but the Big 10 offers a better academic climate overall (even though their core isn't as solid as the California schools and Washington). And by 2018 the Big 10 will be paying out 14 million more per year than the PAC in TV revenue money.

Why Colorado? For starters the markets are good and the fit with the Big 10 better than some other options. The Buffs would probably be even more competitive in the Big 10 where the top is broad and the bottom is broad and the middle almost non existent. But strategically speaking Colorado may be the key to the Big 10's future. It is THE bridge state to the West Coast, which is why the PAC had an interest in the first place. If Colorado moves to the Big 10 then it opens up not only an alternative and more profitable path to potentially Texas, but it also opens up a path to Utah and from there to all of the West Coast.

It is also important for them to look to Colorado because I do believe the ACC is going to become relatively stable. So their Eastward goals from a decade and a half ago are probably moot.

If the Big 10 took Colorado and Kansas for expansion in the next round that would leave Oklahoma and either Texas, West Virginia, Iowa State, or Oklahoma State as options to take the SEC to 16.

Let's say that the PAC gets with the ESPN program. Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas State, and Iowa State may be able to head West. The fifth replacing Colorado could be Colorado State, or U.N.L.V..

The PAC is stronger for the move. The Big 10 is stronger and better positioned for the the move. And the SEC is somewhat stronger for the move.

The ACC can take W.V.U. or Cincinnati, or Connecticut and add N.D..

If the moves happen this way and further consolidation takes place then two equitable leagues could emerge. PAC/B1G and SEC/ACC.

It's an interesting idea to play around with. Colorado is the pivotal state and in a Big 10 / PAC formed league it is the rug that ties the room together. Texas / California / and the Northern Midwest would rest well on that Buffalo hide.

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Now if the PAC chooses not to ally with ESPN and should they remain isolated, and because of the relative stability of the ACC, the Big 10 might well shift its focus West where the money and academics reside. If so here is what could happen should Penn State, Rutgers and Maryland find themselves outliers in a new Big 10 focus to the West:

ACC North: Connecticut, Penn State, Notre Dame, Rutgers, Syracuse
ACC Mountain: Louisville, N.C. State, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
ACC Coastal: Boston College, Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia
ACC South: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Wake Forest

SEC East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt
SEC South: Alabama, Kentucky Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee
SEC North: Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
SEC West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech

B1G East: Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
B1G North: Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio State, Wisconsin
B1G West: Colorado, Nebraska, Oregon, Utah, Washington
B1G West: Arizona, California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford
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I think Colorado has potential for the B1G.

I'm not sure CU would make the move though unless the core of the PAC was coming with them. One of the main reasons they went to the PAC was to gain greater access to students in CA. It also helped that they had a lot of alumni in that part of the country.

But I agree that the PAC is vulnerable going forward.
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(08-28-2017 04:47 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I think Colorado has potential for the B1G.

I'm not sure CU would make the move though unless the core of the PAC was coming with them. One of the main reasons they went to the PAC was to gain greater access to students in CA. It also helped that they had a lot of alumni in that part of the country.

But I agree that the PAC is vulnerable going forward.

They might be willing to consider it if they know that they are becoming a bridge to those old line PAC schools making the move. And of course the 14 million more per year they would be making.
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Interesting. Though then timing becomes significant. If Big 10 takes Colorado, USC, Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon (6 AAU schools), couldn't Big 12 take Utah, BYU, Arizona State, Arizona, and UCLA, and one other (say Colorado State) and go to 16 themselves, expanding into California, Arizona, Colorado, and Utah, gain large populations and viewership, etc, and possibly become viable again. We still wind up with the P4, just now instead of wondering if Baylor and Kansas State are left behind, we are wondering about Oregon St and Washington St.
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(08-28-2017 07:47 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Interesting. Though then timing becomes significant. If Big 10 takes Colorado, USC, Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon (6 AAU schools), couldn't Big 12 take Utah, BYU, Arizona State, Arizona, and UCLA, and one other (say Colorado State) and go to 16 themselves, expanding into California, Arizona, Colorado, and Utah, gain large populations and viewership, etc, and possibly become viable again. We still wind up with the P4, just now instead of wondering if Baylor and Kansas State are left behind, we are wondering about Oregon St and Washington St.

The networks would have to be willing to pay for it, but if they were willing then we still move to a P4 and the SEC and ACC would still be fine moving to 16 each.
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(08-28-2017 07:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-28-2017 07:47 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Interesting. Though then timing becomes significant. If Big 10 takes Colorado, USC, Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon (6 AAU schools), couldn't Big 12 take Utah, BYU, Arizona State, Arizona, and UCLA, and one other (say Colorado State) and go to 16 themselves, expanding into California, Arizona, Colorado, and Utah, gain large populations and viewership, etc, and possibly become viable again. We still wind up with the P4, just now instead of wondering if Baylor and Kansas State are left behind, we are wondering about Oregon St and Washington St.

The networks would have to be willing to pay for it, but if they were willing then we still move to a P4 and the SEC and ACC would still be fine moving to 16 each.

Except that our candidates at that point for 15/16 would be G5 teams. Assuming that the networks pay for that Big 12 they wouldn't be okay if we stole OK after.
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(08-28-2017 08:49 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  
(08-28-2017 07:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-28-2017 07:47 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Interesting. Though then timing becomes significant. If Big 10 takes Colorado, USC, Cal, Stanford, Washington, and Oregon (6 AAU schools), couldn't Big 12 take Utah, BYU, Arizona State, Arizona, and UCLA, and one other (say Colorado State) and go to 16 themselves, expanding into California, Arizona, Colorado, and Utah, gain large populations and viewership, etc, and possibly become viable again. We still wind up with the P4, just now instead of wondering if Baylor and Kansas State are left behind, we are wondering about Oregon St and Washington St.

The networks would have to be willing to pay for it, but if they were willing then we still move to a P4 and the SEC and ACC would still be fine moving to 16 each.

Except that our candidates at that point for 15/16 would be G5 teams. Assuming that the networks pay for that Big 12 they wouldn't be okay if we stole OK after.

They would love to let West Virginia go and if we promote a South Florida or E.Carolina then so what. But I really don't think the Big 12 survives period. ESPN wants Texas where they make them more money and that goes for Oklahoma too. A move to 20 that permitted them to keep more old friends would get 'er done.

The real question is what do you do with Arizona State, Oregon State and Washington State. I'm thinking AAC with B.Y.U. and Boise State, and maybe even a few more out west.

If we shrink down to 60 prime schools for the SEC / Big 10 / and ACC, then growing the AAC to 20 and promoting them works just fine. They would be a P conference, but they just wouldn't make as much as the other 3. Therefore they become the buffer and provide us all with OOC games that essentially take the place of G5 games now.
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I like the idea of Colorado and Kansas, just not absorbing the PAC in toto. I like the PAC programs but to play the occasional out-of-conference games against. Technically we're already in three time zones with Nebraska in the fold.
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(08-28-2017 09:36 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I like the idea of Colorado and Kansas, just not absorbing the PAC in toto. I like the PAC programs but to play the occasional out-of-conference games against. Technically we're already in three time zones with Nebraska in the fold.

Yeah, when I was laying it out I couldn't see the SEC taking Arizona so I switched them for Kansas. But with essentially those moves give or take a quibble here or there both conferences come out way ahead. And would you really miss Rutgers and Maryland heading to the ACC? Penn State I concede would be a different matter.
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RE: The Rocky Mountain Work Around
Osborne mentioned Kansas State, Kansas, and Iowa State. Let's assume those three went to the PAC in a PAC/B1G arrangement to pair up with Colorado instead.
The B1G then adds Missouri for 15 dropping the SEC to 13 teams. The SEC then counters with Oklahoma and Texas (the pair they wanted all along) for 15.
The ACC can add Notre Dame for 15.

When you try to make 16, there is a huge drop off and the pieces don't fit very well. Can any of these possibly pay for themselves?
For 16? BYU (football only) to the PAC.
Oklahoma State/Texas Tech to the SEC.
UConn/West Virginia to the B1G.
UConn/West Virginia/Cincinnati to the ACC
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The Rocky Mountain Work Around
Moving Colorado to the B1G is interesting.

B1G gets Kansas & Colorado
PAC gets Texas, TT, Houston, Kansas State & Iowa State
SEC gets Oklahoma & Oklahoma State
ACC gets ND & WV


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(08-29-2017 07:09 AM)XLance Wrote:  Osborne mentioned Kansas State, Kansas, and Iowa State. Let's assume those three went to the PAC in a PAC/B1G arrangement to pair up with Colorado instead.
The B1G then adds Missouri for 15 dropping the SEC to 13 teams. The SEC then counters with Oklahoma and Texas (the pair they wanted all along) for 15.
The ACC can add Notre Dame for 15.

When you try to make 16, there is a huge drop off and the pieces don't fit very well. Can any of these possibly pay for themselves?
For 16? BYU (football only) to the PAC.
Oklahoma State/Texas Tech to the SEC.
UConn/West Virginia to the B1G.
UConn/West Virginia/Cincinnati to the ACC

What if the specific mention of KU, KSU, and ISU is part of plan to reach into PAC territory?

If the B1G can't get schools like Oklahoma and Texas or crack the ACC then their next best bet is to move into the growing population centers of the West. In order to do that logistically, you need to have a strong central division that bridges the regions together.

What if they did this?

East: Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers
Central: Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
West: Nebraska, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, California, USC, UCLA

They achieve several goals...

1. They obviously greatly broaden their territory and network reach.
2. They give Nebraska a division where they have direct access to talent and marquee games...in other words they need NU to be a national power again and they aren't going to do it in the current B1G West.
3. Each region is fairly concise with the exception of the West, but the PAC is spread out anyway so they're used to it.
4. They bring in virtually all of the PAC's elite AAUs.
5. By sticking with 8 team regional divisions, you maintain rivalries and geographically close match-ups.

And I think perhaps the SEC could respond this way although I think most of these moves might be what would cause the B1G to try to reach into PAC territory in the first place...

East: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia
Central: Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Mississippi State
West: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor

1. I know the thought is reasonable that Arizona, being an AAU school, might end up with the B1G, but the AZ schools have always been together. Value wise, they are about the same so I don't see either being left out given the size and breadth of the market. ASU, after all, is located in the heart of Phoenix and it's a massive school at that.

Furthermore, is there some truth to the rumor that the AZ schools would break away from the PAC and align with Texas? They're not going to join the Big 12, certainly, but this would provide a much more reasonable context for them to stick together, improve athletics, and align with growth states in the East. While it's true that the AZ schools rely on CA students for a lot of their base, it's also true that A) AZ is right on the CA border so one doesn't necessarily need to be in the same conference to adequately recruit such a state and B) CA has been regressing economically for some time now. People and companies are fleeing the state and heading to other places...namely AZ and TX. Perhaps in 20-30 years, the AZ schools won't even be recruiting CA that much because so many people will have left and be residing within their very borders.

2. Texas gets to keep its division of local rivals while simultaneously improving exposure both in the East and the West

3. The networks find a reasonable landing spot for Utah and BYU. They have regional competition and the SEC was probably the only halfway reasonable landing spot for BYU as far as who would be willing to associate with them. The PAC and the B1G are far too secular. That and they seem to have cultivated a relationship with UT. Also, reuniting the Holy War is good for sport in the region.

4. The SEC gets full exposure in TX and completely cuts off the B1G and FOX.

5. The SEC gets maximum exposure in major growing Latino population states. Could pay dividends for decades...
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(08-28-2017 04:47 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I think Colorado has potential for the B1G.

I'm not sure CU would make the move though unless the core of the PAC was coming with them. One of the main reasons they went to the PAC was to gain greater access to students in CA. It also helped that they had a lot of alumni in that part of the country.

But I agree that the PAC is vulnerable going forward.

It's possible that they won't leave but if they won't leave then the PAC could use that to leverage them into accepting the adds of Texas and Texas Tech, perhaps even Colorado State so that they have effective control of that state.

Colorado, Colorado State, Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State

USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Washington State, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State
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(08-29-2017 07:09 AM)XLance Wrote:  Osborne mentioned Kansas State, Kansas, and Iowa State. Let's assume those three went to the PAC in a PAC/B1G arrangement to pair up with Colorado instead.
The B1G then adds Missouri for 15 dropping the SEC to 13 teams. The SEC then counters with Oklahoma and Texas (the pair they wanted all along) for 15.
The ACC can add Notre Dame for 15.

When you try to make 16, there is a huge drop off and the pieces don't fit very well. Can any of these possibly pay for themselves?
For 16? BYU (football only) to the PAC.
Oklahoma State/Texas Tech to the SEC.
UConn/West Virginia to the B1G.
UConn/West Virginia/Cincinnati to the ACC

I'm just curious can you provide the comments made and the context? I don't think I heard this. Any articles are nice too.
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(08-30-2017 03:59 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  B1G
East: Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers
Central: Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
West: Nebraska, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, California, USC, UCLA

SEC
East: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia
Central: Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Mississippi State
West: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor

AllTideUp - I hope its okay I edited your message down.

A couple thoughts:
1) I like it. I think it is well thought out and beneficial for all parties involved except Washington St and Oregon St - poor guys.
2) Making a "Southwest" SEC division with the AZ, AZST, UT, BYU, and the TX-4 is great!
3) I'm a little surprised you kept Baylor in. I wouldn't be totally shocked if Baylor was left out and the SEC made a reach for West Virginia. That would shift these divisions.

The B1G setup with these schools is solid. I like it a lot.

I'd set up the SEC schools (3 divisions of 8) slightly different (with West Virginia and not Baylor):

West: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St
Central: Texas A&M, TCU, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Vanderbilt
East: West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina
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(08-30-2017 09:48 AM)Win5002 Wrote:  
(08-29-2017 07:09 AM)XLance Wrote:  Osborne mentioned Kansas State, Kansas, and Iowa State. Let's assume those three went to the PAC in a PAC/B1G arrangement to pair up with Colorado instead.
The B1G then adds Missouri for 15 dropping the SEC to 13 teams. The SEC then counters with Oklahoma and Texas (the pair they wanted all along) for 15.
The ACC can add Notre Dame for 15.

When you try to make 16, there is a huge drop off and the pieces don't fit very well. Can any of these possibly pay for themselves?
For 16? BYU (football only) to the PAC.
Oklahoma State/Texas Tech to the SEC.
UConn/West Virginia to the B1G.
UConn/West Virginia/Cincinnati to the ACC

I'm just curious can you provide the comments made and the context? I don't think I heard this. Any articles are nice too.

https://www.landof10.com/nebraska/expans...ng-big-ten

“First of all, you have to have instability in the league that a team is in for them to want to leave, and so that’s probably the biggest factor,” the 80-year-old Osborne continued. “But I would hesitate to say, ‘Well, the Big Ten ought to approach this team or that team.’ ”

“And we have a lot of friends in the Big 12 [in] a lot of the regent schools like Kansas and Kansas State and Iowa State.
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(08-28-2017 06:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-28-2017 04:47 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I think Colorado has potential for the B1G.

I'm not sure CU would make the move though unless the core of the PAC was coming with them. One of the main reasons they went to the PAC was to gain greater access to students in CA. It also helped that they had a lot of alumni in that part of the country.

But I agree that the PAC is vulnerable going forward.

They might be willing to consider it if they know that they are becoming a bridge to those old line PAC schools making the move. And of course the 14 million more per year they would be making.

That's the only way I see this thing working

Big Ten creates a third division of mostly PAC schools, maybe add Kansas to fill a slot.

But really, if PAC wants to close money gap immediately, they'll sell shares of their PACN to Fox or ABC and gain subscription through their distribution and negotiating methods.
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(08-30-2017 10:46 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(08-28-2017 06:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-28-2017 04:47 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I think Colorado has potential for the B1G.

I'm not sure CU would make the move though unless the core of the PAC was coming with them. One of the main reasons they went to the PAC was to gain greater access to students in CA. It also helped that they had a lot of alumni in that part of the country.

But I agree that the PAC is vulnerable going forward.

They might be willing to consider it if they know that they are becoming a bridge to those old line PAC schools making the move. And of course the 14 million more per year they would be making.

That's the only way I see this thing working

Big Ten creates a third division of mostly PAC schools, maybe add Kansas to fill a slot.

But really, if PAC wants to close money gap immediately, they'll sell shares of their PACN to Fox or ABC and gain subscription through their distribution and negotiating methods.

I agree with the strategy of selling a majority % share in the PACN. However, what is that worth? They have lousy attendance numbers and the lousiest percentage of actual viewers. These are a major part of the reasons they can't monetize themselves now.
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(08-30-2017 09:53 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:59 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  B1G
East: Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers
Central: Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
West: Nebraska, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, California, USC, UCLA

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East: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia
Central: Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Mississippi State
West: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor

AllTideUp - I hope its okay I edited your message down.

A couple thoughts:
1) I like it. I think it is well thought out and beneficial for all parties involved except Washington St and Oregon St - poor guys.
2) Making a "Southwest" SEC division with the AZ, AZST, UT, BYU, and the TX-4 is great!
3) I'm a little surprised you kept Baylor in. I wouldn't be totally shocked if Baylor was left out and the SEC made a reach for West Virginia. That would shift these divisions.

The B1G setup with these schools is solid. I like it a lot.

I'd set up the SEC schools (3 divisions of 8) slightly different (with West Virginia and not Baylor):

West: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St
Central: Texas A&M, TCU, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Vanderbilt
East: West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina

I guess I kept Baylor because I couldn't really think of anyone else that Texas would want to take with them in that scenario. I do agree though that Baylor is very vulnerable right now and it wouldn't shock me at all to see them left out.

I think WVU would be a good option too, but in the back of my mind I was trying to leave some options on the table for the ACC to strengthen themselves as well. That and I figured a completely "Western" division would be best for travel.
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The $$$ may work out if the B1G were to grab the California PAC schools and Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Arizona, Kansas, and Oklahoma. You essentially get all of the PAC's value and a chunk of the B12 value and shed the moochers. Three B1G divisions:

EAST: Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St., Michigan St., Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue
CENTRAL: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas
WEST: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Colorado

The Rose Bowl becomes the B1G's conference championship...with regional semifinals in Indianapolis and Vegas.


Meanwhile, the SEC holds at 14 and the ACC adds Texas.

Nice year-end SEC v. ACC rivalries, including: Florida-FSU, Clemson-SC, Georgia-Tech, Louisville-Kentucky, A&M-Texas, and in-conference rivalries like Alabama-Auburn, Tennessee-Vandy, Ole Miss-MSU, UVA-Virginia Tech, UNC-NC State, etc.

SEC v. ACC champs in the Orange Bowl or Sugar Bowl.


The B12 becomes the buffer power conference, by merging with the PAC leftovers and perhaps a couple other call-ups.

B12 EAST: WVU, Iowa St., Kansas St., Oklahoma St., Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
B12 WEST: Oregon St., Washington St., Arizona St., Utah, BYU, Colorado St., TBD (SDSU? UNLV?)

B12 Champ in Cotton or Fiesta Bowl....doesn't get a huge P3 media deal, but enough to clearly separate it from the Group of 5.
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