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5 star players and CUSA
This is what we will all I have to deal with and separation of power will only get worse in college hoops...Almost unbearable now but just wait....The fake sports media, MSESPN, handlers, AAU coaches are going to tell all of these kids they are too good for leagues like CUSA....Of course I disagree with this asshat, but this is the kind of BS we have to put up with day in day out....Its us against the world!

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Oh for Pete's sake.

You are absolutely right. A kid just can't make a decision based on his/her own interest...if that leads the decision to a non-High Resource Team, so be it!
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(08-24-2017 08:33 AM)DNEagle Wrote:  Oh for Pete's sake.

You are absolutely right. A kid just can't make a decision based on his/her own interest...if that leads the decision to a non-High Resource Team, so be it!

Yep no is allowed to be different or a trailblazer....I mean if you are good enough to be a top flight NBA talent, your games will be on TV and the NBA scouts know where you are...Its not like you are playing in Europe...This is what the media has become, schools like us, they act like we are playing in some 8th tier pro league in BOliva...THat is what these media puppets want you believe...YOu can only go to a select handful of programs and they deserve all the players....The have the strings pulled by the power conference teams who in turn pay them a lot of money so they can pull the strings of these puppets...
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I like how the author said "But I like WKU, they're super swell, Go Tops, you guys rock, rah rah rah!!!... But no talented hs senior in his right mind should consider them-- they're poison!!!"
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He's right though, no 5-star propspect is going go to WKU for the right reasons. He mention Ben Simmons going to LSU under the same circumstances. Go to UNC, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, Florida where you want to play not the only place that would hire your uncle. It is a disappointing trend because it's not good for team chemistry.
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(08-24-2017 08:56 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 08:33 AM)DNEagle Wrote:  Oh for Pete's sake.

You are absolutely right. A kid just can't make a decision based on his/her own interest...if that leads the decision to a non-High Resource Team, so be it!

Yep no is allowed to be different or a trailblazer....I mean if you are good enough to be a top flight NBA talent, your games will be on TV and the NBA scouts know where you are...Its not like you are playing in Europe...This is what the media has become, schools like us, they act like we are playing in some 8th tier pro league in BOliva...THat is what these media puppets want you believe...YOu can only go to a select handful of programs and they deserve all the players....The have the strings pulled by the power conference teams who in turn pay them a lot of money so they can pull the strings of these puppets...



I know it stings when he says 15-17 and has gotten past the second round in two decades. But he did mention LSU as another example with Ben Simmons so this is not a us versus them type article
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Ouch don't read the comments WKU fans
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He failed to mention Porter going to Missouri....He also failed to mention MR committed to Stansbury at Texas A&M while Shammond Williams was at Tulane.....Either or the whole tone of the article is not good.....18 year olds should go where they want to go and not told they can only go to 5 schools...This is a free country not Russia....Doesn't matter resources, money, etc....All these players will get drafted and noticed no matter where they go.....Also where are the mentions of the great players schools like us have developed and produced....Whole article to me was a slap in the face to anyone not considered blue bloods...5 schools cannot have every good player in the world...
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(08-24-2017 09:58 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Ouch don't read the comments WKU fans

Ha read his twitter feed, WKU fans destroyed him...Just another guy working for the UK's of the world, its ok, clear the guy cannot have his own story or opinions...He is paid by a few schools and told what he can write...
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Gary Parrish attempts to address a legitimate issue -- the recruiting of top prospects via the hiring of family members -- by turning it into a snobbish and superficial discussion of major v. mid-major programs.

It is a pathetic article.

Mitchell Robinson may not have been suited to play at WKU. But suggesting that no blue chipper ever should consider playing at a program that is not pre-approved by Mr. Parrish is asinine. (The bigger shame is that I suspect his attitude is consistent most who are in the national sports journalism industry.)
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(08-24-2017 10:03 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Gary Parrish attempts to address a legitimate issue -- the recruiting of top prospects via the hiring of family members -- by turning it into a snobbish and superficial discussion of major v. mid-major programs.

It is a pathetic article.

Mitchell Robinson may not have been suited to play at WKU. But suggesting that no blue chipper ever should consider playing at a program that is not pre-approved by Mr. Parrish is asinine. (The bigger shame is that I suspect his attitude is consistent most who are in the national sports journalism industry.)

See I can agree with a Monarch fan! Very well said! I am sure Mr. Parrish who has a sock hat on for his Twitter profile has been anywhere close to WKU's campus and see for himself the facilities we have....Maybe he wouldn't write such an off base article but I doubt it, probably giving him too much credit to think on his own...
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Lets be honest, Robinson could have gone almost anywhere. There are no legitimate reasons a kid would want to go to any CUSA school over Kentucky, Kansas, UNC unless it is his hometown or a family member on staff.
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Sometimes recruits get lured by pretty girls. Seriously. Without hookers, how could Louisville compete? 04-jawdrop
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(08-24-2017 09:48 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  He's right though, no 5-star propspect is going go to WKU for the right reasons. He mention Ben Simmons going to LSU under the same circumstances. Go to UNC, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, Florida where you want to play not the only place that would hire your uncle. It is a disappointing trend because it's not good for team chemistry.
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What are considered right reasons? More national publicity and an almost guaranteed chance of playing in the NCAA tourney?
What if a star player wants to be the main guy and lead a non-power 5 team to a NCAA tourney and the publicity that goes with that. Is that not considered a "right reason"?
If a prospect doesn't go where everything thinks they should is that wrong?
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A good player is a good player no matter what school they go to. And we all know they don't go to college for the academics. So why not WKU, N Texas, or any other school for that matter??
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A lot of hurt feelings here.

The guy is right, a top ten prospect is not coming to any of our programs. The longer you believe this guy is wrong, the longer you will continue to get your hopes up for something that just isn't happening.

All this talk of "being a trailblazer" or "your games will be on tv no matter where you go" is just fans logic.

Even middling power conference teams have double or triple the budget we have.

You're going to (theoretically)spend just one year at this place, the facilities, the benefits(both legal and not), the competition(NBA prep), it's all night and day.

Diddle is a great arena and when it comes to basketball, Auburn doesn't even come close to belonging in the same breath as Western, but the arena they built five or six years ago was probably the nicest college arena I've ever been in.
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(08-26-2017 10:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  A lot of hurt feelings here.

The guy is right, a top ten prospect is not coming to any of our programs. The longer you believe this guy is wrong, the longer you will continue to get your hopes up for something that just isn't happening.

All this talk of "being a trailblazer" or "your games will be on tv no matter where you go" is just fans logic.

Even middling power conference teams have double or triple the budget we have.

You're going to (theoretically)spend just one year at this place, the facilities, the benefits(both legal and not), the competition(NBA prep), it's all night and day.

Diddle is a great arena and when it comes to basketball, Auburn doesn't even come close to belonging in the same breath as Western, but the arena they built five or six years ago was probably the nicest college arena I've ever been in.

They could for some coaches. Rick Stansbury at WKU may have Mitchell Robinson this year and probably Charles Bassey in 2019 if he is still at WKU. Isaiah Thomas previously at FIU flipped a 5 star at the time Dominique Ferguson UK commit (before he got downgraded) and was a finalist for many more 5 star players. The problem is can they coach them. IT led FIU to one of their worst 3 year records in history when he was coach despite having some of their most talented teams. He leaves as do many of his players and the next year Richard Pitino has FIU in the conference championship game with less talent. In college basketball good coaching can blow away poorly coached top talent. Thats what make cinderellas so common in the NCAA tournament.
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I personally don't think it's worth it....

when you recruit a big the 7 months you get from him is not going to be his best basketball. Not always but usually, if a player is top 15 coming out of HS and they are 6'10 or up. They are looking at the NBA after that one year of college. If they don't make it after one season...most are bust in college. At least if you go by their ranking coming out of HS.

Here's just a few

Grant Jerrett #15 5.2ppg - 3.6rebs https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...ett-1.html

Kaleb Tarczewski #9 8.8ppg- 6.5rebs played 135 games for Zona.https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kaleb-tarczewski-1.html I would take those numbers but not really what you expect out of a top 10 player

Chase Jeter #16 2.1ppg and 2.2 rebs in 48 games for Duke (2 years left) https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...ter-1.html

Carlton Bragg Jr. #18 4.4 and 3.2 in 69 games for Kansas https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...gjr-1.html

Stephen Zimmerman #15 10.5 & 8.7 played 1 season at UNLV not bad points or rebounds ...UNLV won 18 games https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...njr-1.html


You can go down the list of top bigs that dont pan out in college or they have decent numbers but it doesn't transfer to wins. I think MR would have been one of these players. I'm not just saying it now...I believed it all along. I would rather have the player that grows into that key player over 4 seasons....leading his team

Players like
Reggie Upshaw
Justin Johnson
George Fant
Trey Freeman
Brandan Stith

I personally love seeing a player grow and watch that leadership develop over time. Those are the players I remember and consider All Stars. I hate the 1 and done and that includes the graduate transfers. Don't mine 1 to fill a hole every now and then. But not as a key part of recruiting year after year.

The YG in my user name stands for young guns. I like seeing a 18 year old grow into a player and leader and hopefully winner on the court. These hired guns will not be the players I think of 5, 10, 15 years from now. That might have been different when I was 40 or younger...

Maybe then, winning the water cooler bragging on recruiting was more important to me. I don't think so but I know its not today.
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(08-26-2017 11:42 AM)XYZ Wrote:  
(08-26-2017 10:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  A lot of hurt feelings here.

The guy is right, a top ten prospect is not coming to any of our programs. The longer you believe this guy is wrong, the longer you will continue to get your hopes up for something that just isn't happening.

All this talk of "being a trailblazer" or "your games will be on tv no matter where you go" is just fans logic.

Even middling power conference teams have double or triple the budget we have.

You're going to (theoretically)spend just one year at this place, the facilities, the benefits(both legal and not), the competition(NBA prep), it's all night and day.

Diddle is a great arena and when it comes to basketball, Auburn doesn't even come close to belonging in the same breath as Western, but the arena they built five or six years ago was probably the nicest college arena I've ever been in.

They could for some coaches. Rick Stansbury at WKU may have Mitchell Robinson this year and probably Charles Bassey in 2019 if he is still at WKU. Isaiah Thomas previously at FIU flipped a 5 star at the time Dominique Ferguson UK commit (before he got downgraded) and was a finalist for many more 5 star players. The problem is can they coach them. IT led FIU to one of their worst 3 year records in history when he was coach despite having some of their most talented teams. He leaves as do many of his players and the next year Richard Pitino has FIU in the conference championship game with less talent. In college basketball good coaching can blow away poorly coached top talent. Thats what make cinderellas so common in the NCAA tournament.

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