(08-23-2017 05:04 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 08:02 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 06:41 AM)JTiger Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 12:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-22-2017 12:15 PM)JTiger Wrote:  Nobody ever said they were angels but they weren't interfering on someones land like the white folks that came over.

If Apache tribes want to fight Navajo tribes, what business is it of settlers.

So its ok is Apache steals Navajo land or Comanche steals Apache land, but not for Europeans to steal Indian land?

Yes. That's the way it was for centuries before all the Europeans arrived. The native americans were the original ones here with the foreign invaders that can't read a compass coming in later to steal the lands.

Technically they were not native, they came from Asia. Europeans navigators could not read a compass? N. Americans literally had thousands of years to build any sort of civilization, build cities, roads, bridges, a legal system, real estate ownership records etc. They were tribal, and no widespread leadership. Why do people want to romanticize living in a Tepee and being nomadic. Ironically one of the first things CC noticed about the natives in the W. Indies is that they enslaved each other.

Lack of bridge building doesn't mean they were not human, and didn't justify trying to exterminate them.

Well duh of course.

(08-21-2017 05:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  Not sure if this has been linked here, but a Christopher Columbus statue in Baltimore has been vandalized. Apparently Italian Americans are not allowed to celebrate their heritage.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/marylan...story.html

Christopher Columbus' claim to have been the first to "discover" America gets more dubious by the year considering you had the Asian people with Alaskan land bridge, the Norse coming over into what is now Canada and then a whole lot of contact points in between.

I feel certain future generations will look back on 1960-2020 and just shake their heads at this nation and this government, both sides.

I have zero use for this whole "erasing history" stuff, but I have no idea why Columbus has been idolized for so long to begin with. He "discovered" an already inhabited land, didn't even know where he landed, and killed thousands of those inhabitants. Robert E Lee is far more worthy of being honored than Columbus IMO.

(08-23-2017 07:19 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I have zero use for this whole "erasing history" stuff, but I have no idea why Columbus has been idolized for so long to begin with. He "discovered" an already inhabited land, didn't even know where he landed, and killed thousands of those inhabitants. Robert E Lee is far more worthy of being honored than Columbus IMO.

Columbus risked his life as an explorer sailing into the unknown. Nobody had ever made that type of trip before. Many thought the world was flat and he would fall off the edge. The Vikings island hopped. Vinland was discovered by mistake and Lief Ericcson already knew there was land when he went there. Columbus didn't know what was out there. And he can be argued to have had more influence on world history than any non-religious figure ever.

(08-23-2017 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 07:19 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I have zero use for this whole "erasing history" stuff, but I have no idea why Columbus has been idolized for so long to begin with. He "discovered" an already inhabited land, didn't even know where he landed, and killed thousands of those inhabitants. Robert E Lee is far more worthy of being honored than Columbus IMO.

Columbus risked his life as an explorer sailing into the unknown. Nobody had ever made that type of trip before. Many thought the world was flat and he would fall off the edge. The Vikings island hopped. Vinland was discovered by mistake and Lief Ericcson already knew there was land when he went there. Columbus didn't know what was out there. And he can be argued to have had more influence on world history than any non-religious figure ever.

That wasn't the prevailing thought at the time. Falling off the edge is more a euphemism for 'an expansive, uncharted, featureless ocean.' That's why no one wanted to invest in the trip. Portugal took the gamble because they were locked out of both the overland as well as around Africa routes to Asia.

(08-24-2017 07:22 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 07:19 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I have zero use for this whole "erasing history" stuff, but I have no idea why Columbus has been idolized for so long to begin with. He "discovered" an already inhabited land, didn't even know where he landed, and killed thousands of those inhabitants. Robert E Lee is far more worthy of being honored than Columbus IMO.

Columbus risked his life as an explorer sailing into the unknown. Nobody had ever made that type of trip before. Many thought the world was flat and he would fall off the edge. The Vikings island hopped. Vinland was discovered by mistake and Lief Ericcson already knew there was land when he went there. Columbus didn't know what was out there. And he can be argued to have had more influence on world history than any non-religious figure ever.

That wasn't the prevailing thought at the time. Falling off the edge is more a euphemism for 'an expansive, uncharted, featureless ocean.' That's why no one wanted to invest in the trip. Portugal took the gamble because they were locked out of both the overland as well as around Africa routes to Asia.

You mean Spain took the gamble.

Washington Irving and other fiction writers created the flat Earth myth. No one believed the Earth was flat in Columbus's time.

LOL, these clowns probably thought it was another confederate statue

(08-24-2017 08:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 07:22 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 07:19 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I have zero use for this whole "erasing history" stuff, but I have no idea why Columbus has been idolized for so long to begin with. He "discovered" an already inhabited land, didn't even know where he landed, and killed thousands of those inhabitants. Robert E Lee is far more worthy of being honored than Columbus IMO.

Columbus risked his life as an explorer sailing into the unknown. Nobody had ever made that type of trip before. Many thought the world was flat and he would fall off the edge. The Vikings island hopped. Vinland was discovered by mistake and Lief Ericcson already knew there was land when he went there. Columbus didn't know what was out there. And he can be argued to have had more influence on world history than any non-religious figure ever.

That wasn't the prevailing thought at the time. Falling off the edge is more a euphemism for 'an expansive, uncharted, featureless ocean.' That's why no one wanted to invest in the trip. Portugal took the gamble because they were locked out of both the overland as well as around Africa routes to Asia.

You mean Spain took the gamble.

You're right

(08-23-2017 07:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 07:19 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I have zero use for this whole "erasing history" stuff, but I have no idea why Columbus has been idolized for so long to begin with. He "discovered" an already inhabited land, didn't even know where he landed, and killed thousands of those inhabitants. Robert E Lee is far more worthy of being honored than Columbus IMO.

Columbus risked his life as an explorer sailing into the unknown. Nobody had ever made that type of trip before. Many thought the world was flat and he would fall off the edge. The Vikings island hopped. Vinland was discovered by mistake and Lief Ericcson already knew there was land when he went there. Columbus didn't know what was out there. And he can be argued to have had more influence on world history than any non-religious figure ever.

his 'discovery' was most important as the beginning of the last continent conquered via 'real' monetary backing that developed into what we currently view as 'incentive'....

toss in optimal temperature balance/agri/natural resources that has become 'today', and it's the unparalleled conquest of a land mass in the history of mankind....

that's my take....

(08-24-2017 08:21 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Washington Irving and other fiction writers created the flat Earth myth. No one believed the Earth was flat in Columbus's time.

Did they think Guam might tip over?

The mass hysteria continues.....

New York mayor considers removing Christopher Columbus statue

(08-25-2017 09:59 AM)VA49er Wrote:  The mass hysteria continues.....

New York mayor considers removing Christopher Columbus statue

Well he won't get re-elected. Plenty of Italians in NYC.

(08-25-2017 09:59 AM)VA49er Wrote:  The mass hysteria continues.....

New York mayor considers removing Christopher Columbus statue

Mass hysteria, idiots. How many cities and towns are Columbus or Columbia?

"Columbia" (/kəˈlʌmbiə/; kə-LUM-bee-ə) is a historical name used by both Europeans and Americans to describe the Americas, the New World, and often, more specifically, the United States of America. It is also a name given to the "Spirit of the Frontier" of which was used to illustrate Manifest Destiny among several other American political causes. It has given rise to the names of many persons, places, objects, institutions, and companies; e.g., Columbia University, the District of Columbia (the national capital), and the ship Columbia Rediviva, which would give its name to the Columbia River. Images of the Statue of Liberty largely displaced personified Columbia as the female symbol of the U.S. by around 1920.[1]
Columbia is a New Latin toponym, in use since the 1730s, for the Thirteen Colonies. It originated from the name of Italian explorer Christopher Columbus and from the ending -ia, common in Latin names of countries (paralleling Britannia, Gallia etc.).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_(name)

Columbus was a bad ass. Pure and simple. If you have ever been in a boat offshore and can not see land?...You understand how fearless he was. Plus...He was at the mercy of the wind. Just think about that.

(08-23-2017 07:19 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I have zero use for this whole "erasing history" stuff, but I have no idea why Columbus has been idolized for so long to begin with. He "discovered" an already inhabited land, didn't even know where he landed, and killed thousands of those inhabitants. Robert E Lee is far more worthy of being honored than Columbus IMO.

But if you also dig deep enough, CC just didn't land at some "pristine Garden of Eden" as he discovered certain tribes had enslaved other tribes as well so don't let the left tell you that native Americans lived in "peace and harmony" for thousands of years. It's a lie.

(08-26-2017 07:33 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 07:19 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I have zero use for this whole "erasing history" stuff, but I have no idea why Columbus has been idolized for so long to begin with. He "discovered" an already inhabited land, didn't even know where he landed, and killed thousands of those inhabitants. Robert E Lee is far more worthy of being honored than Columbus IMO.

But if you also dig deep enough, CC just didn't land at some "pristine Garden of Eden" as he discovered certain tribes had enslaved other tribes as well so don't let the left tell you that native Americans lived in "peace and harmony" for thousands of years. It's a lie.

Yes...Native tribes slaughtered and enslaved each other without the help of Europeans.