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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/22/hea...cific.html

Quote:The U.S. Navy will relieve the commander of its 7th Fleet from duty after the fleet suffered its second deadly mishap in less than three months, a U.S. defense official confirmed to Fox News.

An official statement from the Navy regarding the relief of Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin was expected late Tuesday night. The decision was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.

The 7th Fleet has been involved in three collisions since January, the last two of which have resulted in the deaths of 17 sailors.

Quote:U.S. Pacific Fleet Commander Adm. Scott Swift told a news conference Tuesday that each of the incidents was "unique," but added that "they cannot be viewed in isolation."

Swift added the Navy would conduct an investigation "to find out if there is a common cause ... and if so, how do we solve that."

Navy Adm. John Richardson, the chief of naval operations, on Monday ordered a pause in 7th Fleet operations for the next few days to allow commanders to get together with leaders, sailors and command officials and identify any immediate steps that need to be taken to ensure safety.
08-22-2017 11:09 PM
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(08-22-2017 11:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
Quote:The U.S. Navy will relieve the commander of its 7th Fleet from duty after the fleet suffered its second deadly mishap in less than three months, a U.S. defense official confirmed to Fox News.

But on the bright side, they have all received their transgender sensitivity training.
08-23-2017 08:14 AM
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(08-22-2017 11:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/22/hea...cific.html

Quote:The U.S. Navy will relieve the commander of its 7th Fleet from duty after the fleet suffered its second deadly mishap in less than three months, a U.S. defense official confirmed to Fox News.

An official statement from the Navy regarding the relief of Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin was expected late Tuesday night. The decision was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.

The 7th Fleet has been involved in three collisions since January, the last two of which have resulted in the deaths of 17 sailors.

Quote:U.S. Pacific Fleet Commander Adm. Scott Swift told a news conference Tuesday that each of the incidents was "unique," but added that "they cannot be viewed in isolation."

Swift added the Navy would conduct an investigation "to find out if there is a common cause ... and if so, how do we solve that."

Navy Adm. John Richardson, the chief of naval operations, on Monday ordered a pause in 7th Fleet operations for the next few days to allow commanders to get together with leaders, sailors and command officials and identify any immediate steps that need to be taken to ensure safety.

He was retiring anyway.
08-23-2017 12:32 PM
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(08-20-2017 06:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Coincidence? I have my doubts. Something is up.

https://www.dvidshub.net/news/245407/uss...it-malacca

Coincidence since it was John McCain colliding with merchants (as opposed to the John Paul Jones or Winston Churchill?)
08-23-2017 01:34 PM
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(08-23-2017 08:14 AM)wahoowa Wrote:  
(08-22-2017 11:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
Quote:The U.S. Navy will relieve the commander of its 7th Fleet from duty after the fleet suffered its second deadly mishap in less than three months, a U.S. defense official confirmed to Fox News.

But on the bright side, they have all received their transgender sensitivity training.

This is apart of SECNAV Mabus' legacy.
08-23-2017 02:46 PM
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RE: USS John McCain collides with merchant vessel
Somehow missed this the other day

(08-21-2017 10:04 PM)WoodlandsOwl Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 09:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 09:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The USS John S. McCain suffered a "steering casualty" as the warship was beginning its approach into the Strait of Malacca, near Singapore, causing it to collide with a commercial tanker Monday, a US Navy official told CNN.

The official said it was unclear why the crew couldn't utilize the ship's backup steering systems to maintain control of ship.

IMO Owl numbers hit it earlier in the thread.

Probably the same reason that a fire crew near here couldn't manually engage their fire pump when the electronic system failed.....there's only so many training hours ot go around and it's evidently more important to learn how not to offend somebody than a task that might actually save someone's life.

Fatigue may be an important factor. In the Fitzgerald there were some of the crew asleep in the Berthing Compartment that actually slept through the collision and flooding and didnt wake up until they were dragged out of their rack.

If fatigue played a factor then it still falls on training.

We would drill and drill and drill and drill and drill our guys on fundamentals so that it became second nature. When it becomes second nature and fatigue becomes a factor you simply do the task out of muscle memory. Even after all these years when I enter a dark hallway I put my right hand on the wall because we were drilled to A. always keep contact with the wall and B. use a right hand patter when searching structures that were on fire. When I place a ladder I still check the area immediately above me and loudly proclaim "CLEAR OVERHEAD" because that was drilled into us from the very start of training.
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(08-23-2017 04:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Somehow missed this the other day

(08-21-2017 10:04 PM)WoodlandsOwl Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 09:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 09:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The USS John S. McCain suffered a "steering casualty" as the warship was beginning its approach into the Strait of Malacca, near Singapore, causing it to collide with a commercial tanker Monday, a US Navy official told CNN.

The official said it was unclear why the crew couldn't utilize the ship's backup steering systems to maintain control of ship.

IMO Owl numbers hit it earlier in the thread.

Probably the same reason that a fire crew near here couldn't manually engage their fire pump when the electronic system failed.....there's only so many training hours ot go around and it's evidently more important to learn how not to offend somebody than a task that might actually save someone's life.

Fatigue may be an important factor. In the Fitzgerald there were some of the crew asleep in the Berthing Compartment that actually slept through the collision and flooding and didnt wake up until they were dragged out of their rack.

If fatigue played a factor then it still falls on training.

We would drill and drill and drill and drill and drill our guys on fundamentals so that it became second nature. When it becomes second nature and fatigue becomes a factor you simply do the task out of muscle memory. Even after all these years when I enter a dark hallway I put my right hand on the wall because we were drilled to A. always keep contact with the wall and B. use a right hand patter when searching structures that were on fire. When I place a ladder I still check the area immediately above me and loudly proclaim "CLEAR OVERHEAD" because that was drilled into us from the very start of training.

Kap, fatigue can also be a factor when budgets have been slashed for about a decade and the available forces get less R&R and longer hours with fewer personnel.

I don't like that as an excuse for these collisions , but it is a possibility.
08-23-2017 05:19 PM
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(08-23-2017 05:19 PM)wahoowa Wrote:  
(08-23-2017 04:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Somehow missed this the other day

(08-21-2017 10:04 PM)WoodlandsOwl Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 09:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 09:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  The USS John S. McCain suffered a "steering casualty" as the warship was beginning its approach into the Strait of Malacca, near Singapore, causing it to collide with a commercial tanker Monday, a US Navy official told CNN.

The official said it was unclear why the crew couldn't utilize the ship's backup steering systems to maintain control of ship.

IMO Owl numbers hit it earlier in the thread.

Probably the same reason that a fire crew near here couldn't manually engage their fire pump when the electronic system failed.....there's only so many training hours ot go around and it's evidently more important to learn how not to offend somebody than a task that might actually save someone's life.

Fatigue may be an important factor. In the Fitzgerald there were some of the crew asleep in the Berthing Compartment that actually slept through the collision and flooding and didnt wake up until they were dragged out of their rack.

If fatigue played a factor then it still falls on training.

We would drill and drill and drill and drill and drill our guys on fundamentals so that it became second nature. When it becomes second nature and fatigue becomes a factor you simply do the task out of muscle memory. Even after all these years when I enter a dark hallway I put my right hand on the wall because we were drilled to A. always keep contact with the wall and B. use a right hand patter when searching structures that were on fire. When I place a ladder I still check the area immediately above me and loudly proclaim "CLEAR OVERHEAD" because that was drilled into us from the very start of training.

Kap, fatigue can also be a factor when budgets have been slashed for about a decade and the available forces get less R&R and longer hours with fewer personnel.

I don't like that as an excuse for these collisions , but it is a possibility.

Amid 7th Fleet Turmoil, Sailors Open Up About The Navy’s Silent Threat: Sleep Deprivation

“I don’t think I can remember not being completely exhausted on watch, be it the middle of the day or the seven-to-forever,” says August Sorvillo, a former Navy quartermaster who helped his ships navigate all manners of challenging channels and anchorages. “It’s safe to say I’ve bought enough Red Bull, Monster, and Rip-Its that I could [have made] a sizable down payment on a house.”

Lori Schulze Buresh, a former surface warfare officer, still cringes thinking about the deployment where she stood the Navy’s notorious “five and dime” watches: five hours on, 10 off, then repeat — no matter what time of day or night. “The hardest part is being awake at some point every night and still doing a job all day,” she says. “It is hard on a body and hard on the mind.”

After four different groundings and collisions in less than a year in its Japan-based 7th Fleet — including the crashes of the advanced guided-missile destroyers USS Fitzgerald and USS McCain this summer, leaving 17 sailors dead or missing — the Navy is cleaning house and doing some soul-searching. But beyond the particulars of each incident, service officials are intent on identifying broader issues that may leave crews more prone to deadly accidents.

Many current and former sailors have a suggestion for the Navy: Let your crews sleep more.

http://taskandpurpose.com/fitzgerald-mcc...tion-navy/
08-24-2017 04:27 PM
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