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Divisionless Football Conferences?
While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within 2 years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets 3 protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other 10 opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having 4 protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them 3 protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference. In most cases, I tried to retain traditional rivalries while still remaining somewhat competitively balanced (i.e., strong teams play more strong teams, weak teams play more weak teams).

The last 2 columns for the ACC, Big Ten, and SEC are the matchups I'd add if the conferences wanted to expand to 5 protected matchups and a 9-game schedule. This setup actually works well for basketball too: home-and-away vs. 5 protected opponents (10 games) + one game vs. the other 8 opponents for a total of 18 games.

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BOSTON COLLEGE     Syracuse           Wake Forest        Miami-FL          | Virginia           Pittsburgh
CLEMSON            Georgia Tech       Florida State      NC State          | Louisville         Miami-FL
DUKE               North Carolina     Virginia           Wake Forest       | Florida State      NC State
FLORIDA STATE      Miami-FL           Clemson            Georgia Tech      | Duke               Louisville
GEORGIA TECH       Clemson            Miami-FL           Florida State     | Pittsburgh         Wake Forest
LOUISVILLE         Pittsburgh         Virginia Tech      Syracuse          | Clemson            Florida State
MIAMI-FL           Florida State      Georgia Tech       Boston College    | Virginia Tech      Clemson
NC STATE           Wake Forest        North Carolina     Clemson           | Syracuse           Duke
NORTH CAROLINA     Duke               NC State           Virginia          | Wake Forest        Virginia Tech
PITTSBURGH         Louisville         Syracuse           Virginia Tech     | Georgia Tech       Boston College
SYRACUSE           Boston College     Pittsburgh         Louisville        | NC State           Virginia
VIRGINIA           Virginia Tech      Duke               North Carolina    | Boston College     Syracuse
VIRGINIA TECH      Virginia           Louisville         Pittsburgh        | Miami-FL           North Carolina
WAKE FOREST        NC State           Boston College     Duke              | North Carolina     Georgia Tech

Big Ten
Code:
ILLINOIS           Northwestern       Purdue             Indiana           | Minnesota          Nebraska
INDIANA            Purdue             Northwestern       Illinois          | Maryland           Rutgers
IOWA               Nebraska           Wisconsin          Minnesota         | Ohio State         Northwestern
MARYLAND           Rutgers            Penn State         Michigan          | Indiana            Michigan State
MICHIGAN           Michigan State     Ohio State         Maryland          | Wisconsin          Penn State
MICHIGAN STATE     Michigan           Rutgers            Ohio State        | Penn State         Maryland
MINNESOTA          Wisconsin          Nebraska           Iowa              | Illinois           Purdue
NEBRASKA           Iowa               Minnesota          Wisconsin         | Northwestern       Illinois
NORTHWESTERN       Illinois           Indiana            Purdue            | Nebraska           Iowa
OHIO STATE         Penn State         Michigan           Michigan State    | Iowa               Wisconsin
PENN STATE         Ohio State         Maryland           Rutgers           | Michigan State     Michigan
PURDUE             Indiana            Illinois           Northwestern      | Rutgers            Minnesota
RUTGERS            Maryland           Michigan State     Penn State        | Purdue             Indiana
WISCONSIN          Minnesota          Iowa               Nebraska          | Michigan           Ohio State

SEC
Code:
ALABAMA            Auburn             Tennessee          LSU               | Georgia            Florida
ARKANSAS           Missouri           Mississippi State  Texas A&M         | LSU                Ole Miss
AUBURN             Alabama            Georgia            Florida           | South Carolina     LSU
FLORIDA            Georgia            South Carolina     Auburn            | Tennessee          Alabama
GEORGIA            Florida            Auburn             South Carolina    | Alabama            Tennessee
KENTUCKY           South Carolina     Vanderbilt         Tennessee         | Mississippi State  Missouri
LSU                Texas A&M          Ole Miss           Alabama           | Arkansas           Auburn
MISSISSIPPI STATE  Ole Miss           Arkansas           Missouri          | Kentucky           Texas A&M
MISSOURI           Arkansas           Texas A&M          Mississippi State | Vanderbilt         Kentucky
OLE MISS           Mississippi State  LSU                Vanderbilt        | Texas A&M          Arkansas
SOUTH CAROLINA     Kentucky           Florida            Georgia           | Auburn             Vanderbilt
TENNESSEE          Vanderbilt         Alabama            Kentucky          | Florida            Georgia
TEXAS A&M          LSU                Missouri           Arkansas          | Ole Miss           Mississippi State
VANDERBILT         Tennessee          Kentucky           Ole Miss          | Missouri           South Carolina

I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its 3 rivals and 5 out of the other 8 teams. If they stick with 9 games, that works better from a scheduling perspective. It also allows every team to play 3 California schools per season.

Pac-12
Code:
ARIZONA            Arizona State      Colorado           Utah
ARIZONA STATE      Arizona            Utah               Colorado
CALIFORNIA         Stanford           UCLA               USC
COLORADO           Utah               Arizona            Arizona State
OREGON             Oregon State       Washington         Washington State
OREGON STATE       Oregon             Washington State   Washington
STANFORD           California         USC                UCLA
UCLA               USC                California         Stanford
USC                UCLA               Stanford           California
UTAH               Colorado           Arizona State      Arizona
WASHINGTON         Washington State   Oregon             Oregon State
WASHINGTON STATE   Washington         Oregon State       Oregon

Here's my setup for the ACC with 15 schools (ND goes all in). Each school has 4 protected matchups and alternates between half the other 10 each year. For basketball, protected matchups are played home and away (8 games) and the other opponents once (10 games) for a total of 18 games.

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BOSTON COLLEGE     Miami-FL           Notre Dame         Pittsburgh         Syracuse           BYE/OOC
CLEMSON            Florida State      Georgia Tech       Virginia Tech      BYE/OOC            NC State
DUKE               NC State           North Carolina     BYE/OOC            Wake Forest        Virginia
FLORIDA STATE      Clemson            Louisville         Miami-FL           Georgia Tech       BYE/OOC
GEORGIA TECH       BYE/OOC            Clemson            Wake Forest        Florida State      Syracuse
LOUISVILLE         Notre Dame         Florida State      BYE/OOC            Pittsburgh         Virginia Tech
MIAMI-FL           Boston College     Virginia Tech      Florida State      Notre Dame         BYE/OOC
NC STATE           Duke               Wake Forest        North Carolina     BYE/OOC            Clemson
NORTH CAROLINA     BYE/OOC            Duke               NC State           Virginia           Wake Forest
NOTRE DAME         Louisville         Boston College     BYE/OOC            Miami-FL           Pittsburgh
PITTSBURGH         Syracuse           BYE/OOC            Boston College     Louisville         Notre Dame
SYRACUSE           Pittsburgh         BYE/OOC            Virginia           Boston College     Georgia Tech
VIRGINIA           Virginia Tech      BYE/OOC            Syracuse           North Carolina     Duke
VIRGINIA TECH      Virginia           Miami-FL           Clemson            BYE/OOC            Louisville
WAKE FOREST        BYE/OOC            NC State           Georgia Tech       Duke               North Carolina

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
Love the PAC 12 structure! Perfect!

Only draw back for the larger conferences is that a team could make the CCG because of an easy schedule, not because they are one of the best teams in the conference.

For instance, let's say Arkansas gets its permanent opponents Missouri, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M and then in a scheduling fluke gets Kentucky, Mississippi St., South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Auburn. That's about as easy as it gets with an SEC schedule. Conversely, let's say Georgia has Auburn, Florida, South Carolina and then Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, A&M, and Ole Miss.

Arkansas could earn the CCG berth by 2 or 3 games over Georgia, even if Georgia has the clearly better team.

For larger conferences, I would like to see the conference championship expanded to include a semi-final round - where there are three division champions and one wild card participant. That would keep all regions of the conference engaged in the championship hunt, and allow one quality, highly-ranked runner-up the chance to show how good the conference is.
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(08-18-2017 10:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest

OK, I dropped the UNC/WF and Syracuse/UVa matchups in favor of UNC/UVa and Syracuse/WF.

(08-18-2017 10:15 AM)YNot Wrote:  Love the PAC 12 structure! Perfect!

Only draw back for the larger conferences is that a team could make the CCG because of an easy schedule, not because they are one of the best teams in the conference.

For instance, let's say Arkansas gets its permanent opponents Missouri, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M and then in a scheduling fluke gets Kentucky, Mississippi St., South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Auburn. That's about as easy as it gets with an SEC schedule. Conversely, let's say Georgia has Auburn, Florida, South Carolina and then Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, A&M, and Ole Miss.

Arkansas could earn the CCG berth by 2 or 3 games over Georgia, even if Georgia has the clearly better team.

For larger conferences, I would like to see the conference championship expanded to include a semi-final round - where there are three division champions and one wild card participant. That would keep all regions of the conference engaged in the championship hunt, and allow one quality, highly-ranked runner-up the chance to show how good the conference is.

A team can also make the CCG by means of winning an easy division.
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
Selfishly for Minnesota, it's a big no thanks.

The West teams are more in our level. No desire to play Mich, OSU, or PSU.


But overall, sure it could work. If you don't mind the CCG being the #1 v #2.
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Love it and wish they would do it (they won't). I would personally rather have Illinois than Michigan Statr as our 3rd (our only trophy game) and would rrarrange a few others for trophy type games in the Big Ten, but for thr most part great. Might post more later when on a real computer.
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(08-18-2017 01:06 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Love it and wish they would do it (they won't). I would personally rather have Illinois than Michigan Statr as our 3rd (our only trophy game) and would rrarrange a few others for trophy type games in the Big Ten, but for thr most part great. Might post more later when on a real computer.

I traded Illinois/Indiana and MSU/OSU for Illinois/OSU and MSU/Indiana.
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(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

Someone proposed this back when Utah and Colorado first joined, and also came up with a way to do it while still having two football divisions. Their Tumblr page explaining the idea is still up: http://pac12cooler.tumblr.com/post/77380...r-proposal
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(08-18-2017 01:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

Someone proposed this back when Utah and Colorado first joined, and also came up with a way to do it while still having two football divisions. Their Tumblr page explaining the idea is still up: http://pac12cooler.tumblr.com/post/77380...r-proposal

I'm not big on zipper alignments, but they came up with a very nice setup. There's a lot more you can do with 12 teams than, say, 10 or 14.
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
Think this would probably work better. Florida and LSU do not want to play each other each year, and neither Arkansas nor A&M have any geographic or real historic reason to play South Carolina each year.

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Missouri
Auburn: Alabama, Georgia, Florida
Florida: Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn
Georgia: Florida, Auburn, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Arkansas
Ole Miss: LSU, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State
South Carolina: Kentucky, Florida, Georgia
Tennessee: Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Alabama
Texas A&M: Missouri, Arkansas, LSU
Vanderbilt: Tennessee, Ole Miss, Kentucky
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(08-18-2017 02:03 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  Think this would probably work better. Florida and LSU do not want to play each other each year, and neither Arkansas nor A&M have any geographic or real historic reason to play South Carolina each year.

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Missouri
Auburn: Alabama, Georgia, Florida
Florida: Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn
Georgia: Florida, Auburn, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Arkansas
Ole Miss: LSU, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State
South Carolina: Kentucky, Florida, Georgia
Tennessee: Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Alabama
Texas A&M: Missouri, Arkansas, LSU
Vanderbilt: Tennessee, Ole Miss, Kentucky

I like it. Changes made.
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(08-18-2017 11:33 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 10:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest

OK, I dropped the UNC/WF and Syracuse/UVa matchups in favor of UNC/UVa and Syracuse/WF.

Probably more palatable all the way around to do a three way swap. Clemson/Wake, Syracuse/Miami and UNC/UVA.

Wake is Clemson's second longest opponent behind SC, and after GT and FSU the third ACC team doesn't really matter to us.

Syracuse and Miami have history and Cuse wants to play them more so that makes more sense.
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Round-robin every year is best for tradition, rivalries, and fan-travel, plus with a few non-conference games for variety. So either huge conferences with a championship game that can't duplicate a regular season game, or smaller conferences.
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(08-18-2017 03:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 11:33 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 10:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest

OK, I dropped the UNC/WF and Syracuse/UVa matchups in favor of UNC/UVa and Syracuse/WF.

Probably more palatable all the way around to do a three way swap. Clemson/Wake, Syracuse/Miami and UNC/UVA.

Wake is Clemson's second longest opponent behind SC, and after GT and FSU the third ACC team doesn't really matter to us.

Syracuse and Miami have history and Cuse wants to play them more so that makes more sense.

Is the Textile Bowl much of a rivalry?
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(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within two years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets three protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other ten opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having four protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them three protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference.

ACC
Boston College: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Miami-FL
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Miami-FL: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Boston College, Louisville, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Syracuse

Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
Florida: Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee

I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its three rivals and five out of the other eight teams. If they stick with nine games, that works better from a scheduling perspective.

Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

SU vs VT makes more sense than BC vs VT. I know BC-VT is a "rivalry game," but it's only a rivalry in name. SU-VT has more meaning for a number of reasons.
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How about this three-way trade?

Drop: BC/VT, Clemson/Miami, Syracuse/WF
Add: BC/Miami, Clemson/WF, Syracuse/VT
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(08-18-2017 04:46 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within two years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets three protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other ten opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having four protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them three protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference.

ACC
Boston College: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Miami-FL
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Miami-FL: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Boston College, Louisville, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Syracuse

Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
Florida: Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee

I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its three rivals and five out of the other eight teams. If they stick with nine games, that works better from a scheduling perspective.

Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

SU vs VT makes more sense than BC vs VT. I know BC-VT is a "rivalry game," but it's only a rivalry in name. SU-VT has more meaning for a number of reasons.

Syracuse/VT actually makes less sense than BC. I can't imagine what the number of reasons are. VT and Miami would rank in each other's top 3 for sure. Louisville should play Syracuse. Neither VA team would choose them.
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
How about this?

ACC
Boston College: Miami-FL, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech
Louisville: Clemson, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Miami-FL: Boston College, Florida State, Virginia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh
Virginia: North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
Virginia Tech: Georgia Tech, Miami-FL, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Virginia
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
(08-18-2017 05:14 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 04:46 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within two years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets three protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other ten opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having four protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them three protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference.

ACC
Boston College: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Miami-FL
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Miami-FL: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Boston College, Louisville, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Syracuse

Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
Florida: Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee

I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its three rivals and five out of the other eight teams. If they stick with nine games, that works better from a scheduling perspective.

Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

SU vs VT makes more sense than BC vs VT. I know BC-VT is a "rivalry game," but it's only a rivalry in name. SU-VT has more meaning for a number of reasons.

Syracuse/VT actually makes less sense than BC. I can't imagine what the number of reasons are. VT and Miami would rank in each other's top 3 for sure. Louisville should play Syracuse. Neither VA team would choose them.

What sense does BC make?

VT took SU's ACC spot. SU knocked off VT w/ no time in '98 to win the BIG EAST. VT sniped Vick and killed SU in '01 (?) to win the BE.

VT couldn't win @SU and SU couldn't win @VT, so the all time series is roughly even (w/ SU having a slight edge) w/ both sides missing out on key opportunities.

SU is historically better than BC (and has a winning ACC record vs BC).

SU also has more alumni in the DMV than BC for a variety of reasons.

That beats "we joined at roughly the same time" in my mind at least. I have a hard time seeing VT picking BC over SU, and I have no idea why you think UL and VT are a good fit.
(This post was last modified: 08-18-2017 06:43 PM by nzmorange.)
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
This makes sense to me:

Boston College: Miami-FL, Syracuse, Wake Forest
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Duke: Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Duke
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia
Miami-FL: Boston College, Florida State, Virginia Tech
NC State: North Carolina, Wake Forest, Clemson
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Louisville, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh
Virginia: North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Louisville
Virginia Tech: Miami-FL, Virginia, Pittsburgh
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Boston College
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