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(08-18-2017 09:50 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:48 AM)appst89 Wrote:  There are certainly things I wish Trump did better, or differently, but on the whole, I am happy with what he has managed to get done in the face of a full-on coup attempt from the left and their media propagandists.

Bad press is not a coup attempt.

A full on coup attempt? Please.

Chris Matthews and Maxine Waters discussed impeachment three days before he took office. Yes there is a full on coup attempt by the left simply because they lost an election.
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President Trump isnt going anywhere until we get an overhaul of the fake news and bring in real journalists. Until then, I'm perfectly fine with him tearing them down and calling them out for what they are. Some people allow their partisan butthurt to blind them. Just as a reminder; in the last election cycle we found out that members of the media and their staff were colluding with democratic candidates, we had an onslaught of completely fabricated news (MUH MLK BUST! and fake crowd size pictures from the inauguration) and CNN was busted feeding debate questions to the Hillary campaign. And these are just the ones we know about.
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(08-18-2017 09:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm not totally up on it, but can you remove a president from office using the 25th amendment without impeachment?

Yes, but the chances of that happening are far less than having the House and Senate vote on impeachment and removal from office.
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(08-18-2017 09:55 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm not totally up on it, but can you remove a president from office using the 25th amendment without impeachment?

Yes, but the chances of that happening are far less than having the House and Senate vote on impeachment and removal from office.

I don't disagree.

It just seems like a much easier road than impeachment. Nobody wins with impeachment.

Hopefully he just gets fed up and quits.
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(08-18-2017 09:55 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm not totally up on it, but can you remove a president from office using the 25th amendment without impeachment?

Yes, but the chances of that happening are far less than having the House and Senate vote on impeachment and removal from office.

When the person bringing up the 25th amendment is Maxine Waters, I just laugh and look forward to November 2018.
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(08-18-2017 09:46 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
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(08-18-2017 09:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Trump has been a failure on so many levels.

He's either a raging bigot or panders to them. How hard is it to not defend the Nazis? For him, pretty hard. But then he has to signal his support for them by taking their argument up regarding veneration of the Confederacy and then floating a pardon for a Sheriff who has not even admitted guilt for the crime of racially profiling people.

He promised to defeat ISIS within 30 days with a secret plan. He makes military decisions without bothering to consult anyone in the military. He's attempting to outsource our military to a political ally who is the brother of one of his cabinet secretaries. He claims that he's upgraded our arsenal, when nothing has happened, he gets involved in sideshow spats with idiots simply in an attempt to deflect attention from the multiple scandals swirling around his administration

And then, there are the scandals. Pay for play. Emoluments discussions. Attempts to bully those investigating them. Attempts to argue that the President can't be investigated at all.

Then there are his appointees. Family members, people from his company, ideologues with little experience within the areas of appointment.

Then there's the whole Russia thing. He's not playing 4d chess.

Then the juvenile twitter behavior.

Do you have a link to where he defended Nazis? I must have missed that.

How about when he validated their goals, like the preservation of Confederate statues. His equation of BLM with the Nazis. His refusal to condemn them for days.

To me that is a defense of them. He called some of them 'good people'. The facts are that they were marching shouting "Blood and Soil" and "Jews will not replace us".
Preserving confederate statues is a goal of a lot of people, not just Nazis. One of ISIS's goals is mass Islamic migration into the West. Just because many of your left wing and globalist brethren share that goal does not mean they support or defend ISIS.

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The fact that he makes the Leftists in America want to set themselves on fire and run screaming through the streets makes me overlook his incompetent leadership and bad behavior. This is the consequence of run away Liberalism over the last 8 years. Let this be a lesson to learn and not forget. Don't shove you BS down throats of middle America for an extended period of time. There will be a backlash...and...You get a Trump.

Liberals should not be complaining about anything. They caused the rise of this idiot.
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(08-18-2017 09:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:35 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:20 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Trump has been a failure on so many levels.

He's either a raging bigot or panders to them. How hard is it to not defend the Nazis? For him, pretty hard. But then he has to signal his support for them by taking their argument up regarding veneration of the Confederacy and then floating a pardon for a Sheriff who has not even admitted guilt for the crime of racially profiling people.

He promised to defeat ISIS within 30 days with a secret plan. He makes military decisions without bothering to consult anyone in the military. He's attempting to outsource our military to a political ally who is the brother of one of his cabinet secretaries. He claims that he's upgraded our arsenal, when nothing has happened, he gets involved in sideshow spats with idiots simply in an attempt to deflect attention from the multiple scandals swirling around his administration

And then, there are the scandals. Pay for play. Emoluments discussions. Attempts to bully those investigating them. Attempts to argue that the President can't be investigated at all.

Then there are his appointees. Family members, people from his company, ideologues with little experience within the areas of appointment.

Then there's the whole Russia thing. He's not playing 4d chess.

Then the juvenile twitter behavior.

Do you have a link to where he defended Nazis? I must have missed that.

Dude...c'mon. He said there were good people marching in a Nazi parade carrying torches shouting against Jews and calling for blood and taking land.

There are no good people marching in a Nazi parade. Period.
Link?

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(08-18-2017 09:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 08:59 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 07:34 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  But I'm ready for President Pence. Our current president is a caricature, appealing now to only his most hardcore supporters. Adolph Hitler gets better press and I don't see that changing. Drain the swamp indeed. From what I've been told his new chief of staff asked to have the ability to vet the president's tweets, and he was told no. Then President Trump was given an opportunity to show leadership via the Spain crisis, but what did he do? He tweeted about the bogus legend of Black Jack Pershing, again merely to keep support from his most hardcore base. If a president is put into this position.....he cannot lead. It is more than apparent he has lost the trust of the american people. Time for him to go.

Then call your Congressman and Senators. The only way to remove him is impeachment and not a fuzzy concern that he is a "caricature" and "can't lead" because of some tweets.

I'm not totally up on it, but can you remove a president from office using the 25th amendment without impeachment?
For the good of the American people, he needs to resign.
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From a practical perspective, there's not going to be an impeachment for the next 2 years. The GOP Senators are largely cowards.

Basically you have 25-30% of the country that fully supports Trump. But they are a majority in many Republican primaries. So long as the general electorate doesn't punish people who vote 100% of the time with the toddler President, he'll be safe.

That's why the 2018 elections are so important. It really has to be a repudiation of the GOP in general. Because unless they become more afraid of the general election than a group of far right ideologues in the primary, we're not going to get anything on Trump.

Although the real nasty situation will probably develop in 2019 for the GOP. The Dems will take the House in the 2018 elections. They will attempt an impeachment proceeding. Then the Senate will have to stand, on the record on DJT. That would be quite interesting, especially for those that have to run for reelection in 2020 (the numbers are awful for the GOP in that class).

Guys, its unlikely that DJT is going to change at this point. We're going to careen from outrage to outrage. From failure to failure. This isn't going to get better, but is likely to just get worse.

Trump specializes in ripping apart everyone and everything that supports him. The GOP will be no different.
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(08-18-2017 09:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:48 AM)appst89 Wrote:  There are certainly things I wish Trump did better, or differently, but on the whole, I am happy with what he has managed to get done in the face of a full-on coup attempt from the left and their media propagandists.

Wall?
Infrastructure?
Muslim ban?
Crime gone?
ISIS defeated?
Tax reform?
Obamacare repealed?

He's really done NOTHING substantial. And yes it's still early, but he can't even get them off the damned ground!

Congratulations, he managed to not screw up Mitch McConnell's dick move to steal a SCOTUS seat.

And FWIW - I'd refrain from using the word coup. That's a really strong word with awful implications.

FWIW, I'll describe it as what it is, a coup attempt.

I could list accomplishments, but it's just a waste of my time, because I don't believe you'd acknowledge any of them. It is easy to Google them though if you truly are interested.
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(08-18-2017 09:43 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I suppose we should just apply to Conservatives to have them tell us what racial/bias grievances are acceptable to protest?

I'd imagine my definitions of what is racist, homophobic or biased are a lot more realistic than the current SJWs leading the current Democratic party, yes.

Remember Tom, as a gay man you have many conservative allies who find the past, and some current, treatment of gays reprehensible.

But the idea that because you (the royal you, not you-you) are gay, or black, or trans, or socialist, or violent anti-fa or neo Nazi doesn't mean you get to define how others see you through their own thoughts or sayings, nor that you should get preferential* treatment.

And that is the big crux of all these matters, isn't it? One side is saying the other side can't say or think what they want.

This is about the Constitution, about freedom. But in today's world if you love freedom, then you will be hated by the modern liberal who believes that government should regulate individual freedom. Leftists only believe in free Leftist speech and that is dangerous.

(I said preferential, not equal. Don't you dare. We are all in this together, and together equally)
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(08-18-2017 09:56 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:55 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm not totally up on it, but can you remove a president from office using the 25th amendment without impeachment?

Yes, but the chances of that happening are far less than having the House and Senate vote on impeachment and removal from office.

I don't disagree.

It just seems like a much easier road than impeachment. Nobody wins with impeachment.

Hopefully he just gets fed up and quits.

if'n the 'phants would've only paid att'n

tried to tell you guys you didn't want nuts zongo in office and why he announced...

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(08-18-2017 09:53 AM)appst89 Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:50 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:48 AM)appst89 Wrote:  There are certainly things I wish Trump did better, or differently, but on the whole, I am happy with what he has managed to get done in the face of a full-on coup attempt from the left and their media propagandists.

Bad press is not a coup attempt.

A full on coup attempt? Please.

Not bad press, completely fabricated press.

And yes, it is absolutely a coup attempt.

Sure, the issues with Trump can really be explained by 'the meanie press are saying bad things about me'.

Let me put on a parka. Because there's a friggin blizzard of snowflakes coming down on my right side.
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(08-18-2017 10:06 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:53 AM)appst89 Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:50 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:48 AM)appst89 Wrote:  There are certainly things I wish Trump did better, or differently, but on the whole, I am happy with what he has managed to get done in the face of a full-on coup attempt from the left and their media propagandists.

Bad press is not a coup attempt.

A full on coup attempt? Please.

Not bad press, completely fabricated press.

And yes, it is absolutely a coup attempt.

Sure, the issues with Trump can really be explained by 'the meanie press are saying bad things about me'.

Let me put on a parka. Because there's a friggin blizzard of snowflakes coming down on my right side.

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Must.Not.Comment. I don't really want to be banned and I can't think of one single argument that doesn't employ the use of pejoratives, expletives, flat out bad words and name calling.

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(08-18-2017 10:04 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:43 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I suppose we should just apply to Conservatives to have them tell us what racial/bias grievances are acceptable to protest?

I'd imagine my definitions of what is racist, homophobic or biased are a lot more realistic than the current SJWs leading the current Democratic party, yes.

Remember Tom, as a gay man you have many conservative allies who find the past, and some current, treatment of gays reprehensible.

But the idea that because you (the royal you, not you-you) are gay, or black, or trans, or socialist, or violent anti-fa or neo Nazi doesn't mean you get to define how others see you through their own thoughts or sayings, nor that you should get preferential* treatment.

And that is the big crux of all these matters, isn't it? One side is saying the other side can't say or think what they want.

This is about the Constitution, about freedom. But in today's world if you love freedom, then you will be hated by the modern liberal who believes that government should regulate individual freedom. Leftists only believe in free Leftist speech and that is dangerous.

(I said preferential, not equal. Don't you dare. We are all in this together, and together equally)

Freedom? Please. I'll send you a PM on what I experienced last month. You'll see all kinds of preferential freedom.
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(08-18-2017 10:06 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:53 AM)appst89 Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:50 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:48 AM)appst89 Wrote:  There are certainly things I wish Trump did better, or differently, but on the whole, I am happy with what he has managed to get done in the face of a full-on coup attempt from the left and their media propagandists.

Bad press is not a coup attempt.

A full on coup attempt? Please.

Not bad press, completely fabricated press.

And yes, it is absolutely a coup attempt.

Sure, the issues with Trump can really be explained by 'the meanie press are saying bad things about me'.

Let me put on a parka. Because there's a friggin blizzard of snowflakes coming down on my right side.

Or they could be explained by just telling the truth and saying the media has created a completely false narrative directed by the people orchestrating the coup attempt.

The irony of your last sentence is just too much to take.
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(08-18-2017 09:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The fact that he makes the Leftists in America want to set themselves on fire and run screaming through the streets makes me overlook his incompetent leadership and bad behavior. This is the consequence of run away Liberalism over the last 8 years. Let this be a lesson to learn and not forget. Don't shove you BS down throats of middle America for an extended period of time. There will be a backlash...and...You get a Trump.

Liberals should not be complaining about anything. They caused the rise of this idiot.

Exactly! I'm not a Trump supporter per se but anything that ticks off a liberal and makes their heads go kaboom is all good with me. What gets lost in all this is the progress toward dismantling their BS agenda that's been made since he took office.

Edit: I said liberal when what I really mean is far left progressive democrats, liberals are just soft headed baffoons who have no clue what it is they support.
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Let Pence take over. Then if they come after him starting on day one with the same ferocity they've used against Trump the American people will have no choice but to see what's clearly going on. Trump was a mistake. He doesn't have the temperment required for the job. And I say that as one who voted for him.
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