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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(09-10-2017 09:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 08:14 PM)XLance Wrote:  Texas may be down, but they are still the top draw in a state with a population of about 28 million people. Yes, I would say there is still a desire for the ACC, SEC, B1G or the PAC to add Texas.

Yes. And any of those conferences would take a buddy to get them all in.

What about this crazy idea...

Texas goes independent and the XII implodes. Texas proposes to play 3 games against each of the participating power conferences every year if the other conferences find homes for their Texas friends - Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, SMU, Rice.

The SEC backs the Aggies and says "lol" - adds Oklahoma and Oklahoma St for 16 which pockets them half of the RRR money.

The ACC says they don't want anyone to encroach on Notre Dame's throne and politely declines. Then adds West Virginia and Cincinnati for 16.

The B1G declares it shall not be strong-armed and shouts "Never!" Then adds Kansas and Connecticut for 16.

The PAC jumps all over it! Adds Texas Tech, TCU, and Houston for 15 secretly hoping Texas joins at #16. Texas says "thank you" to the PAC but politely declines joining the PAC. Texas does, however, keep its promise of a guaranteed 3 games per year against the PAC. Texas decides these 3 annual games shall be matches against Texas Tech, TCU, and Houston.
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(09-11-2017 11:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 09:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 08:14 PM)XLance Wrote:  Texas may be down, but they are still the top draw in a state with a population of about 28 million people. Yes, I would say there is still a desire for the ACC, SEC, B1G or the PAC to add Texas.

Yes. And any of those conferences would take a buddy to get them all in.

What about this crazy idea...

Texas goes independent and the XII implodes. Texas proposes to play 3 games against each of the participating power conferences every year if the other conferences find homes for their Texas friends - Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, SMU, Rice.

The SEC backs the Aggies and says "lol" - adds Oklahoma and Oklahoma St for 16 which pockets them half of the RRR money.

The ACC says they don't want anyone to encroach on Notre Dame's throne and politely declines. Then adds West Virginia and Cincinnati for 16.

The B1G declares it shall not be strong-armed and shouts "Never!" Then adds Kansas and Connecticut for 16.

The PAC jumps all over it! Adds Texas Tech, TCU, and Houston for 15 secretly hoping Texas joins at #16. Texas says "thank you" to the PAC but politely declines joining the PAC. Texas does, however, keep its promise of a guaranteed 3 games per year against the PAC. Texas decides these 3 annual games shall be matches against Texas Tech, TCU, and Houston.



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(09-10-2017 09:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The interesting thing about S.M.U. is that the athletic department has an endowment of over $1 Billion.

Don't most (if not all) Texas universities have big endowments (from Texas oil)?
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(09-11-2017 11:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 09:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 08:14 PM)XLance Wrote:  Texas may be down, but they are still the top draw in a state with a population of about 28 million people. Yes, I would say there is still a desire for the ACC, SEC, B1G or the PAC to add Texas.

Yes. And any of those conferences would take a buddy to get them all in.

What about this crazy idea...

Texas goes independent and the XII implodes. Texas proposes to play 3 games against each of the participating power conferences every year if the other conferences find homes for their Texas friends - Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, SMU, Rice.

The SEC backs the Aggies and says "lol" - adds Oklahoma and Oklahoma St for 16 which pockets them half of the RRR money.

The ACC says they don't want anyone to encroach on Notre Dame's throne and politely declines. Then adds West Virginia and Cincinnati for 16.

The B1G declares it shall not be strong-armed and shouts "Never!" Then adds Kansas and Connecticut for 16.

The PAC jumps all over it! Adds Texas Tech, TCU, and Houston for 15 secretly hoping Texas joins at #16. Texas says "thank you" to the PAC but politely declines joining the PAC. Texas does, however, keep its promise of a guaranteed 3 games per year against the PAC. Texas decides these 3 annual games shall be matches against Texas Tech, TCU, and Houston.

The Longhorns can't just go independent. They need a conference to park their other sports in just like ND with the ACC. I tend to believe the only place that will let them get away with that at this point is the B12. But as soon as that move is made the conference collapses because OU would be out the door.

The challenge in trying to figure out the next round of realignment is that no one really understands what the Longhorns want. Between seeking academic prestige, interesting conference opponents and whatever state politics may come into play, gleaning what Texas will do in 2023 is impossible.
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(09-12-2017 08:07 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(09-11-2017 11:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 09:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 08:14 PM)XLance Wrote:  Texas may be down, but they are still the top draw in a state with a population of about 28 million people. Yes, I would say there is still a desire for the ACC, SEC, B1G or the PAC to add Texas.

Yes. And any of those conferences would take a buddy to get them all in.

What about this crazy idea...

Texas goes independent and the XII implodes. Texas proposes to play 3 games against each of the participating power conferences every year if the other conferences find homes for their Texas friends - Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, SMU, Rice.

The SEC backs the Aggies and says "lol" - adds Oklahoma and Oklahoma St for 16 which pockets them half of the RRR money.

The ACC says they don't want anyone to encroach on Notre Dame's throne and politely declines. Then adds West Virginia and Cincinnati for 16.

The B1G declares it shall not be strong-armed and shouts "Never!" Then adds Kansas and Connecticut for 16.

The PAC jumps all over it! Adds Texas Tech, TCU, and Houston for 15 secretly hoping Texas joins at #16. Texas says "thank you" to the PAC but politely declines joining the PAC. Texas does, however, keep its promise of a guaranteed 3 games per year against the PAC. Texas decides these 3 annual games shall be matches against Texas Tech, TCU, and Houston.

The Longhorns can't just go independent. They need a conference to park their other sports in just like ND with the ACC. I tend to believe the only place that will let them get away with that at this point is the B12. But as soon as that move is made the conference collapses because OU would be out the door.

The challenge in trying to figure out the next round of realignment is that no one really understands what the Longhorns want. Between seeking academic prestige, interesting conference opponents and whatever state politics may come into play, gleaning what Texas will do in 2023 is impossible.

I was just being silly.

Texas' non-football sports, IMO, will end up in either a Frankenstein version of the XII/SWC or PAC. The PAC desperately needs high-value content and may do whatever it takes to get 6 Texas football games per season and Texas' non-football sports. The SEC and B1G don't need to offer a sweetheart deal to Texas. They would probably take Texas as a full member immediately should Texas come knocking on their door, but they won't give them a Notre Dame deal.
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(09-12-2017 10:09 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I was just being silly.

Texas' non-football sports, IMO, will end up in either a Frankenstein version of the XII/SWC or PAC. The PAC desperately needs high-value content and may do whatever it takes to get 6 Texas football games per season and Texas' non-football sports. The SEC and B1G don't need to offer a sweetheart deal to Texas. They would probably take Texas as a full member immediately should Texas come knocking on their door, but they won't give them a Notre Dame deal.

Quite honestly your suggestion isn't completely outside of the realm of possibilities considering this is the Longhorns we are talking about. TBH, there might not even BE a great chase for Texas, just FOX/ESPN negotiating the end of the B12. Where the Longhorns go might be inconsequential when measured against the monetary windfall of getting down to a P4 and expanded CFP.
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(09-12-2017 06:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 09:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The interesting thing about S.M.U. is that the athletic department has an endowment of over $1 Billion.

Don't most (if not all) Texas universities have big endowments (from Texas oil)?

Just Texas and Texas A&M get full shares. I think Tech gets some know but 10th would know for sure.
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(09-12-2017 10:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:09 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I was just being silly.

Texas' non-football sports, IMO, will end up in either a Frankenstein version of the XII/SWC or PAC. The PAC desperately needs high-value content and may do whatever it takes to get 6 Texas football games per season and Texas' non-football sports. The SEC and B1G don't need to offer a sweetheart deal to Texas. They would probably take Texas as a full member immediately should Texas come knocking on their door, but they won't give them a Notre Dame deal.

Quite honestly your suggestion isn't completely outside of the realm of possibilities considering this is the Longhorns we are talking about. TBH, there might not even BE a great chase for Texas, just FOX/ESPN negotiating the end of the B12. Where the Longhorns go might be inconsequential when measured against the monetary windfall of getting down to a P4 and expanded CFP.

The "Big Blow" was struck when A&M came to the SEC. All of the sudden the networks had a plan to get into Texas without having to have Texas. L.S.U. and A&M carry Houston. A&M with Arkansas and one of Oklahoma and T.C.U. carry DFW. So ESPN lassoed Texas with the LHN because they are the easiest way to gain the whole market, but they also have been picking off the larger Texas markets with those other schools so that if Texas ever proves to be wholly unreliable to deal with the market is theirs anyway.

IMO this is why there is going to be a helluva war between FOX and ESPN over Oklahoma. Tech brings a portion of the state that the others only partly deliver, but it is a small portion of the state's total population.

With Oklahoma the SEC doesn't need Texas to carry the majority of the state. This is the only reason that OSU is in the conversation.

What's more is that if the SEC has Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to go along with A&M where the hell is Texas going to go in order to please their fan base and hang onto their traditional rivalries? They may choose the PAC or B1G but they will be all alone, without their traditional foes, playing schools their fans have no history with.

If the SEC lands OU whether alone or with OSU, then Texas has to go to an ESPN held conference to avoid scheduling difficulties and to preserve rivalries. This is why Texas has caved occasionally to Boren and the Sooners. They know they have to keep OU close in order to have a full range of choices. Their biggest roadblock is OSU's political ties with OU. The B1G can't and won't take the Pokes. That's our advantage. And if Texas wanted to move with another Texas school to the Big 10 then there isn't one the Big 10 would accept. Texas Tech is way out of bounds for the academics in the Big 10 and that leaves the PAC where their revenues would take a big dive.

So the reason ESPN slow played this after "the deal" of 2010 fell through is that they don't have to do anything spectacular to land the Horns. And all they might have to do to land OU is to find a home for OSU as well. Do that and Texas comes along quietly and with no leverage.
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(09-12-2017 12:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:09 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I was just being silly.

Texas' non-football sports, IMO, will end up in either a Frankenstein version of the XII/SWC or PAC. The PAC desperately needs high-value content and may do whatever it takes to get 6 Texas football games per season and Texas' non-football sports. The SEC and B1G don't need to offer a sweetheart deal to Texas. They would probably take Texas as a full member immediately should Texas come knocking on their door, but they won't give them a Notre Dame deal.

Quite honestly your suggestion isn't completely outside of the realm of possibilities considering this is the Longhorns we are talking about. TBH, there might not even BE a great chase for Texas, just FOX/ESPN negotiating the end of the B12. Where the Longhorns go might be inconsequential when measured against the monetary windfall of getting down to a P4 and expanded CFP.

The "Big Blow" was struck when A&M came to the SEC. All of the sudden the networks had a plan to get into Texas without having to have Texas. L.S.U. and A&M carry Houston. A&M with Arkansas and one of Oklahoma and T.C.U. carry DFW. So ESPN lassoed Texas with the LHN because they are the easiest way to gain the whole market, but they also have been picking off the larger Texas markets with those other schools so that if Texas ever proves to be wholly unreliable to deal with the market is theirs anyway.

IMO this is why there is going to be a helluva war between FOX and ESPN over Oklahoma. Tech brings a portion of the state that the others only partly deliver, but it is a small portion of the state's total population.

With Oklahoma the SEC doesn't need Texas to carry the majority of the state. This is the only reason that OSU is in the conversation.

What's more is that if the SEC has Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to go along with A&M where the hell is Texas going to go in order to please their fan base and hang onto their traditional rivalries? They may choose the PAC or B1G but they will be all alone, without their traditional foes, playing schools their fans have no history with.

If the SEC lands OU whether alone or with OSU, then Texas has to go to an ESPN held conference to avoid scheduling difficulties and to preserve rivalries. This is why Texas has caved occasionally to Boren and the Sooners. They know they have to keep OU close in order to have a full range of choices. Their biggest roadblock is OSU's political ties with OU. The B1G can't and won't take the Pokes. That's our advantage. And if Texas wanted to move with another Texas school to the Big 10 then there isn't one the Big 10 would accept. Texas Tech is way out of bounds for the academics in the Big 10 and that leaves the PAC where their revenues would take a big dive.

So the reason ESPN slow played this after "the deal" of 2010 fell through is that they don't have to do anything spectacular to land the Horns. And all they might have to do to land OU is to find a home for OSU as well. Do that and Texas comes along quietly and with no leverage.

This is a good example of why some continue to push for conferences bigger than 16. The SEC knows that at 16 the best that they could hope for is either Texas and Texas Tech or Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. There is no political solution that would allow the SEC to grab Texas and Oklahoma without "little brothers".
Texahoma would come with a price . The B1G owns content from Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech and I would speculate that Missouri is the price of release. That would leave the SEC with 17 and only redundant market choices (that ESPN won't pay for), that means one in the east has to go......get out the sauteed olive oil and finishing cheese.
But in the end the acquisition of both Texas and Oklahoma could easily justify the expense...sorry Cocky, it's just business.
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(09-12-2017 01:24 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 12:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 10:09 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I was just being silly.

Texas' non-football sports, IMO, will end up in either a Frankenstein version of the XII/SWC or PAC. The PAC desperately needs high-value content and may do whatever it takes to get 6 Texas football games per season and Texas' non-football sports. The SEC and B1G don't need to offer a sweetheart deal to Texas. They would probably take Texas as a full member immediately should Texas come knocking on their door, but they won't give them a Notre Dame deal.

Quite honestly your suggestion isn't completely outside of the realm of possibilities considering this is the Longhorns we are talking about. TBH, there might not even BE a great chase for Texas, just FOX/ESPN negotiating the end of the B12. Where the Longhorns go might be inconsequential when measured against the monetary windfall of getting down to a P4 and expanded CFP.

The "Big Blow" was struck when A&M came to the SEC. All of the sudden the networks had a plan to get into Texas without having to have Texas. L.S.U. and A&M carry Houston. A&M with Arkansas and one of Oklahoma and T.C.U. carry DFW. So ESPN lassoed Texas with the LHN because they are the easiest way to gain the whole market, but they also have been picking off the larger Texas markets with those other schools so that if Texas ever proves to be wholly unreliable to deal with the market is theirs anyway.

IMO this is why there is going to be a helluva war between FOX and ESPN over Oklahoma. Tech brings a portion of the state that the others only partly deliver, but it is a small portion of the state's total population.

With Oklahoma the SEC doesn't need Texas to carry the majority of the state. This is the only reason that OSU is in the conversation.

What's more is that if the SEC has Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to go along with A&M where the hell is Texas going to go in order to please their fan base and hang onto their traditional rivalries? They may choose the PAC or B1G but they will be all alone, without their traditional foes, playing schools their fans have no history with.

If the SEC lands OU whether alone or with OSU, then Texas has to go to an ESPN held conference to avoid scheduling difficulties and to preserve rivalries. This is why Texas has caved occasionally to Boren and the Sooners. They know they have to keep OU close in order to have a full range of choices. Their biggest roadblock is OSU's political ties with OU. The B1G can't and won't take the Pokes. That's our advantage. And if Texas wanted to move with another Texas school to the Big 10 then there isn't one the Big 10 would accept. Texas Tech is way out of bounds for the academics in the Big 10 and that leaves the PAC where their revenues would take a big dive.

So the reason ESPN slow played this after "the deal" of 2010 fell through is that they don't have to do anything spectacular to land the Horns. And all they might have to do to land OU is to find a home for OSU as well. Do that and Texas comes along quietly and with no leverage.

This is a good example of why some continue to push for conferences bigger than 16. The SEC knows that at 16 the best that they could hope for is either Texas and Texas Tech or Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. There is no political solution that would allow the SEC to grab Texas and Oklahoma without "little brothers".
Texahoma would come with a price . The B1G owns content from Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech and I would speculate that Missouri is the price of release. That would leave the SEC with 17 and only redundant market choices (that ESPN won't pay for), that means one in the east has to go......get out the sauteed olive oil and finishing cheese.
But in the end the acquisition of both Texas and Oklahoma could easily justify the expense...sorry Cocky, it's just business.

The B1G doesn't own any content from Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech. FOX owns a 50% stake in the T1 & T2 and they own OU's T3. All of those expire by 2025.

And X, there is nothing legally, contractually, or hypothetically that would keep the SEC from moving to 18 or any other number.
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(09-12-2017 12:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The "Big Blow" was struck when A&M came to the SEC. All of the sudden the networks had a plan to get into Texas without having to have Texas. L.S.U. and A&M carry Houston. A&M with Arkansas and one of Oklahoma and T.C.U. carry DFW. So ESPN lassoed Texas with the LHN because they are the easiest way to gain the whole market, but they also have been picking off the larger Texas markets with those other schools so that if Texas ever proves to be wholly unreliable to deal with the market is theirs anyway.

Agreed. The LHN was a bribe to put Texas in a holding pattern until ESPN could figure out what the best next move is.


JRsec Wrote:IMO this is why there is going to be a helluva war between FOX and ESPN over Oklahoma. Tech brings a portion of the state that the others only partly deliver, but it is a small portion of the state's total population.

But this is where I have an issue; what fight can FOX bring to the table? OU to the B1G is a non-starter if the Sooners can't politically unshackle themselves from OKST. I don't believe anything has changed from 2014 regarding OU to the PAC.


JRsec Wrote:With Oklahoma the SEC doesn't need Texas to carry the majority of the state. This is the only reason that OSU is in the conversation.

What's more is that if the SEC has Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to go along with A&M where the hell is Texas going to go in order to please their fan base and hang onto their traditional rivalries? They may choose the PAC or B1G but they will be all alone, without their traditional foes, playing schools their fans have no history with.

I do think one of Texas' dreams is that they and OU go to the B1G together. I just don't see how that is possible politically, to say nothing of the fan revolt of playing a B1G West schedule.

JRsec Wrote:If the SEC lands OU whether alone or with OSU, then Texas has to go to an ESPN held conference to avoid scheduling difficulties and to preserve rivalries. This is why Texas has caved occasionally to Boren and the Sooners. They know they have to keep OU close in order to have a full range of choices. Their biggest roadblock is OSU's political ties with OU. The B1G can't and won't take the Pokes. That's our advantage. And if Texas wanted to move with another Texas school to the Big 10 then there isn't one the Big 10 would accept. Texas Tech is way out of bounds for the academics in the Big 10 and that leaves the PAC where their revenues would take a big dive.

So the reason ESPN slow played this after "the deal" of 2010 fell through is that they don't have to do anything spectacular to land the Horns. And all they might have to do to land OU is to find a home for OSU as well. Do that and Texas comes along quietly and with no leverage.

There are times where I reach peak schadenfreude and just wish the SEC offered OKST a spot first. Yes, in theory it would solve the Sooners 'little brother' problem, but that is when the beauty of the move is revealed. OU might dream of moving independently, but in reality they won't do anything until Texas makes a decision. The SEC or ACC could open spots for the Longhorns and two little brothers, leaving the Sooners to trudge off to the B1G by their lonesome.
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(09-12-2017 01:24 PM)XLance Wrote:  This is a good example of why some continue to push for conferences bigger than 16. The SEC knows that at 16 the best that they could hope for is either Texas and Texas Tech or Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. There is no political solution that would allow the SEC to grab Texas and Oklahoma without "little brothers".
Texahoma would come with a price . The B1G owns content from Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech and I would speculate that Missouri is the price of release. That would leave the SEC with 17 and only redundant market choices (that ESPN won't pay for), that means one in the east has to go......get out the sauteed olive oil and finishing cheese.
But in the end the acquisition of both Texas and Oklahoma could easily justify the expense...sorry Cocky, it's just business.

I'll give you credit, you're a good storyteller. You have quite the imagination.

For the record, olive oil and cheese goes great with chicken and pasta.
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(09-12-2017 02:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 12:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The "Big Blow" was struck when A&M came to the SEC. All of the sudden the networks had a plan to get into Texas without having to have Texas. L.S.U. and A&M carry Houston. A&M with Arkansas and one of Oklahoma and T.C.U. carry DFW. So ESPN lassoed Texas with the LHN because they are the easiest way to gain the whole market, but they also have been picking off the larger Texas markets with those other schools so that if Texas ever proves to be wholly unreliable to deal with the market is theirs anyway.

Agreed. The LHN was a bribe to put Texas in a holding pattern until ESPN could figure out what the best next move is.


JRsec Wrote:IMO this is why there is going to be a helluva war between FOX and ESPN over Oklahoma. Tech brings a portion of the state that the others only partly deliver, but it is a small portion of the state's total population.

But this is where I have an issue; what fight can FOX bring to the table? OU to the B1G is a non-starter if the Sooners can't politically unshackle themselves from OKST. I don't believe anything has changed from 2014 regarding OU to the PAC.


JRsec Wrote:With Oklahoma the SEC doesn't need Texas to carry the majority of the state. This is the only reason that OSU is in the conversation.

What's more is that if the SEC has Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to go along with A&M where the hell is Texas going to go in order to please their fan base and hang onto their traditional rivalries? They may choose the PAC or B1G but they will be all alone, without their traditional foes, playing schools their fans have no history with.

I do think one of Texas' dreams is that they and OU go to the B1G together. I just don't see how that is possible politically, to say nothing of the fan revolt of playing a B1G West schedule.

JRsec Wrote:If the SEC lands OU whether alone or with OSU, then Texas has to go to an ESPN held conference to avoid scheduling difficulties and to preserve rivalries. This is why Texas has caved occasionally to Boren and the Sooners. They know they have to keep OU close in order to have a full range of choices. Their biggest roadblock is OSU's political ties with OU. The B1G can't and won't take the Pokes. That's our advantage. And if Texas wanted to move with another Texas school to the Big 10 then there isn't one the Big 10 would accept. Texas Tech is way out of bounds for the academics in the Big 10 and that leaves the PAC where their revenues would take a big dive.

So the reason ESPN slow played this after "the deal" of 2010 fell through is that they don't have to do anything spectacular to land the Horns. And all they might have to do to land OU is to find a home for OSU as well. Do that and Texas comes along quietly and with no leverage.

There are times where I reach peak schadenfreude and just wish the SEC offered OKST a spot first. Yes, in theory it would solve the Sooners 'little brother' problem, but that is when the beauty of the move is revealed. OU might dream of moving independently, but in reality they won't do anything until Texas makes a decision. The SEC or ACC could open spots for the Longhorns and two little brothers, leaving the Sooners to trudge off to the B1G by their lonesome.

And then there is the bigger complication, the LHN. It is a contract that doesn't expire until 2035. ESPN will have some serious leverage until then.
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(09-12-2017 04:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 02:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 12:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The "Big Blow" was struck when A&M came to the SEC. All of the sudden the networks had a plan to get into Texas without having to have Texas. L.S.U. and A&M carry Houston. A&M with Arkansas and one of Oklahoma and T.C.U. carry DFW. So ESPN lassoed Texas with the LHN because they are the easiest way to gain the whole market, but they also have been picking off the larger Texas markets with those other schools so that if Texas ever proves to be wholly unreliable to deal with the market is theirs anyway.

Agreed. The LHN was a bribe to put Texas in a holding pattern until ESPN could figure out what the best next move is.


JRsec Wrote:IMO this is why there is going to be a helluva war between FOX and ESPN over Oklahoma. Tech brings a portion of the state that the others only partly deliver, but it is a small portion of the state's total population.

But this is where I have an issue; what fight can FOX bring to the table? OU to the B1G is a non-starter if the Sooners can't politically unshackle themselves from OKST. I don't believe anything has changed from 2014 regarding OU to the PAC.


JRsec Wrote:With Oklahoma the SEC doesn't need Texas to carry the majority of the state. This is the only reason that OSU is in the conversation.

What's more is that if the SEC has Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to go along with A&M where the hell is Texas going to go in order to please their fan base and hang onto their traditional rivalries? They may choose the PAC or B1G but they will be all alone, without their traditional foes, playing schools their fans have no history with.

I do think one of Texas' dreams is that they and OU go to the B1G together. I just don't see how that is possible politically, to say nothing of the fan revolt of playing a B1G West schedule.

JRsec Wrote:If the SEC lands OU whether alone or with OSU, then Texas has to go to an ESPN held conference to avoid scheduling difficulties and to preserve rivalries. This is why Texas has caved occasionally to Boren and the Sooners. They know they have to keep OU close in order to have a full range of choices. Their biggest roadblock is OSU's political ties with OU. The B1G can't and won't take the Pokes. That's our advantage. And if Texas wanted to move with another Texas school to the Big 10 then there isn't one the Big 10 would accept. Texas Tech is way out of bounds for the academics in the Big 10 and that leaves the PAC where their revenues would take a big dive.

So the reason ESPN slow played this after "the deal" of 2010 fell through is that they don't have to do anything spectacular to land the Horns. And all they might have to do to land OU is to find a home for OSU as well. Do that and Texas comes along quietly and with no leverage.

There are times where I reach peak schadenfreude and just wish the SEC offered OKST a spot first. Yes, in theory it would solve the Sooners 'little brother' problem, but that is when the beauty of the move is revealed. OU might dream of moving independently, but in reality they won't do anything until Texas makes a decision. The SEC or ACC could open spots for the Longhorns and two little brothers, leaving the Sooners to trudge off to the B1G by their lonesome.

And then there is the bigger complication, the LHN. It is a contract that doesn't expire until 2035. ESPN will have some serious leverage until then.

Unless that LHN contract had some performance requirements,Texas is going to keep cashing bigger and bigger checks. Leverage?
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(09-12-2017 07:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  Unless that LHN contract had some performance requirements,Texas is going to keep cashing bigger and bigger checks. Leverage?

If Texas is unwilling to compromise on the LHN then they can hang out in whatever is left of the B12. That station's sole benefit is the $15 million cash transfer. It hasn't improved recruiting and is a distraction for coaches. Not all money is good money.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(09-12-2017 07:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 04:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 02:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 12:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The "Big Blow" was struck when A&M came to the SEC. All of the sudden the networks had a plan to get into Texas without having to have Texas. L.S.U. and A&M carry Houston. A&M with Arkansas and one of Oklahoma and T.C.U. carry DFW. So ESPN lassoed Texas with the LHN because they are the easiest way to gain the whole market, but they also have been picking off the larger Texas markets with those other schools so that if Texas ever proves to be wholly unreliable to deal with the market is theirs anyway.

Agreed. The LHN was a bribe to put Texas in a holding pattern until ESPN could figure out what the best next move is.


JRsec Wrote:IMO this is why there is going to be a helluva war between FOX and ESPN over Oklahoma. Tech brings a portion of the state that the others only partly deliver, but it is a small portion of the state's total population.

But this is where I have an issue; what fight can FOX bring to the table? OU to the B1G is a non-starter if the Sooners can't politically unshackle themselves from OKST. I don't believe anything has changed from 2014 regarding OU to the PAC.


JRsec Wrote:With Oklahoma the SEC doesn't need Texas to carry the majority of the state. This is the only reason that OSU is in the conversation.

What's more is that if the SEC has Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to go along with A&M where the hell is Texas going to go in order to please their fan base and hang onto their traditional rivalries? They may choose the PAC or B1G but they will be all alone, without their traditional foes, playing schools their fans have no history with.

I do think one of Texas' dreams is that they and OU go to the B1G together. I just don't see how that is possible politically, to say nothing of the fan revolt of playing a B1G West schedule.

JRsec Wrote:If the SEC lands OU whether alone or with OSU, then Texas has to go to an ESPN held conference to avoid scheduling difficulties and to preserve rivalries. This is why Texas has caved occasionally to Boren and the Sooners. They know they have to keep OU close in order to have a full range of choices. Their biggest roadblock is OSU's political ties with OU. The B1G can't and won't take the Pokes. That's our advantage. And if Texas wanted to move with another Texas school to the Big 10 then there isn't one the Big 10 would accept. Texas Tech is way out of bounds for the academics in the Big 10 and that leaves the PAC where their revenues would take a big dive.

So the reason ESPN slow played this after "the deal" of 2010 fell through is that they don't have to do anything spectacular to land the Horns. And all they might have to do to land OU is to find a home for OSU as well. Do that and Texas comes along quietly and with no leverage.

There are times where I reach peak schadenfreude and just wish the SEC offered OKST a spot first. Yes, in theory it would solve the Sooners 'little brother' problem, but that is when the beauty of the move is revealed. OU might dream of moving independently, but in reality they won't do anything until Texas makes a decision. The SEC or ACC could open spots for the Longhorns and two little brothers, leaving the Sooners to trudge off to the B1G by their lonesome.

And then there is the bigger complication, the LHN. It is a contract that doesn't expire until 2035. ESPN will have some serious leverage until then.

Unless that LHN contract had some performance requirements,Texas is going to keep cashing bigger and bigger checks. Leverage?

The LHN will keep Texas from joining a non-ESPN league.

The B1G and the PAC will never have a chance to own Texas' T3 rights until the LHN contract expires which means they can't really profit off a UT addition unless ESPN is willing to work with them. ESPN then has no motivation to work with another league because they'd rather own the Longhorns outright.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(09-12-2017 02:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 12:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The "Big Blow" was struck when A&M came to the SEC. All of the sudden the networks had a plan to get into Texas without having to have Texas. L.S.U. and A&M carry Houston. A&M with Arkansas and one of Oklahoma and T.C.U. carry DFW. So ESPN lassoed Texas with the LHN because they are the easiest way to gain the whole market, but they also have been picking off the larger Texas markets with those other schools so that if Texas ever proves to be wholly unreliable to deal with the market is theirs anyway.

Agreed. The LHN was a bribe to put Texas in a holding pattern until ESPN could figure out what the best next move is.


JRsec Wrote:IMO this is why there is going to be a helluva war between FOX and ESPN over Oklahoma. Tech brings a portion of the state that the others only partly deliver, but it is a small portion of the state's total population.

But this is where I have an issue; what fight can FOX bring to the table? OU to the B1G is a non-starter if the Sooners can't politically unshackle themselves from OKST. I don't believe anything has changed from 2014 regarding OU to the PAC.


JRsec Wrote:With Oklahoma the SEC doesn't need Texas to carry the majority of the state. This is the only reason that OSU is in the conversation.

What's more is that if the SEC has Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to go along with A&M where the hell is Texas going to go in order to please their fan base and hang onto their traditional rivalries? They may choose the PAC or B1G but they will be all alone, without their traditional foes, playing schools their fans have no history with.

I do think one of Texas' dreams is that they and OU go to the B1G together. I just don't see how that is possible politically, to say nothing of the fan revolt of playing a B1G West schedule.

JRsec Wrote:If the SEC lands OU whether alone or with OSU, then Texas has to go to an ESPN held conference to avoid scheduling difficulties and to preserve rivalries. This is why Texas has caved occasionally to Boren and the Sooners. They know they have to keep OU close in order to have a full range of choices. Their biggest roadblock is OSU's political ties with OU. The B1G can't and won't take the Pokes. That's our advantage. And if Texas wanted to move with another Texas school to the Big 10 then there isn't one the Big 10 would accept. Texas Tech is way out of bounds for the academics in the Big 10 and that leaves the PAC where their revenues would take a big dive.

So the reason ESPN slow played this after "the deal" of 2010 fell through is that they don't have to do anything spectacular to land the Horns. And all they might have to do to land OU is to find a home for OSU as well. Do that and Texas comes along quietly and with no leverage.

There are times where I reach peak schadenfreude and just wish the SEC offered OKST a spot first. Yes, in theory it would solve the Sooners 'little brother' problem, but that is when the beauty of the move is revealed. OU might dream of moving independently, but in reality they won't do anything until Texas makes a decision. The SEC or ACC could open spots for the Longhorns and two little brothers, leaving the Sooners to trudge off to the B1G by their lonesome.

The B1G won't make the first move either. I believe that it's all on Texas' shoulders.
There have been several stories that have been recycled about Carolina and Georgia Tech going to the B1G. Maybe nothing to them but it might be enough to slow down Delany, because there is enough validity or possibility of validity to make the B1G pause on Oklahoma. (I will try to put something together soon to explain).
There are a lot of posters/writers on somebody's payroll....the "positioning" is more subtle than in 2010 and 2015, but it has been persistent. I think that is because nobody really expects any movement before 2023 (unless that date has just been thrown out there to misdirect folks away from 2019 and the start of the ACCN).
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(09-13-2017 07:45 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 02:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(09-12-2017 12:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The "Big Blow" was struck when A&M came to the SEC. All of the sudden the networks had a plan to get into Texas without having to have Texas. L.S.U. and A&M carry Houston. A&M with Arkansas and one of Oklahoma and T.C.U. carry DFW. So ESPN lassoed Texas with the LHN because they are the easiest way to gain the whole market, but they also have been picking off the larger Texas markets with those other schools so that if Texas ever proves to be wholly unreliable to deal with the market is theirs anyway.

Agreed. The LHN was a bribe to put Texas in a holding pattern until ESPN could figure out what the best next move is.


JRsec Wrote:IMO this is why there is going to be a helluva war between FOX and ESPN over Oklahoma. Tech brings a portion of the state that the others only partly deliver, but it is a small portion of the state's total population.

But this is where I have an issue; what fight can FOX bring to the table? OU to the B1G is a non-starter if the Sooners can't politically unshackle themselves from OKST. I don't believe anything has changed from 2014 regarding OU to the PAC.


JRsec Wrote:With Oklahoma the SEC doesn't need Texas to carry the majority of the state. This is the only reason that OSU is in the conversation.

What's more is that if the SEC has Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State to go along with A&M where the hell is Texas going to go in order to please their fan base and hang onto their traditional rivalries? They may choose the PAC or B1G but they will be all alone, without their traditional foes, playing schools their fans have no history with.

I do think one of Texas' dreams is that they and OU go to the B1G together. I just don't see how that is possible politically, to say nothing of the fan revolt of playing a B1G West schedule.

JRsec Wrote:If the SEC lands OU whether alone or with OSU, then Texas has to go to an ESPN held conference to avoid scheduling difficulties and to preserve rivalries. This is why Texas has caved occasionally to Boren and the Sooners. They know they have to keep OU close in order to have a full range of choices. Their biggest roadblock is OSU's political ties with OU. The B1G can't and won't take the Pokes. That's our advantage. And if Texas wanted to move with another Texas school to the Big 10 then there isn't one the Big 10 would accept. Texas Tech is way out of bounds for the academics in the Big 10 and that leaves the PAC where their revenues would take a big dive.

So the reason ESPN slow played this after "the deal" of 2010 fell through is that they don't have to do anything spectacular to land the Horns. And all they might have to do to land OU is to find a home for OSU as well. Do that and Texas comes along quietly and with no leverage.

There are times where I reach peak schadenfreude and just wish the SEC offered OKST a spot first. Yes, in theory it would solve the Sooners 'little brother' problem, but that is when the beauty of the move is revealed. OU might dream of moving independently, but in reality they won't do anything until Texas makes a decision. The SEC or ACC could open spots for the Longhorns and two little brothers, leaving the Sooners to trudge off to the B1G by their lonesome.

The B1G won't make the first move either. I believe that it's all on Texas' shoulders.
There have been several stories that have been recycled about Carolina and Georgia Tech going to the B1G. Maybe nothing to them but it might be enough to slow down Delany, because there is enough validity or possibility of validity to make the B1G pause on Oklahoma. (I will try to put something together soon to explain).
There are a lot of posters/writers on somebody's payroll....the "positioning" is more subtle than in 2010 and 2015, but it has been persistent. I think that is because nobody really expects any movement before 2023 (unless that date has just been thrown out there to misdirect folks away from 2019 and the start of the ACCN).

Now this I agree with totally. There are B1G propagandists posing as Kansas and Oklahoma posters who are carefully crafting a narrative about those two programs, Oklahoma in particular.

But the truth is OU is nowhere near AAU status and would be at the bottom of the Big 10 academically. I think 2019 is the date and have said so. The networks don't want outside streaming services bidding on rights so they will rework existing contracts before 2024-5. 2023 is cutting it too close. 2019-20 is just about right for FOX and ESPN to rework existing contracts with a lengthy extension. So it's also perfect for realignment. From an ESPN perspective there would be nothing better than a feint of GaTech or UNC being available.

I'm sure Kansas and Oklahoma would be targets of the B1G if the ACC was truly, and known to be, off the table.

Also I don't see Texas making that move to the B1G. There simply isn't anyone there that they've had history with. Nebraska they knew for what, about a decade and half? Oklahoma doesn't really have that much in common with them either outside of Nebraska.

So I totally believe something is afoot, and that the details have already been worked out, probably at the time the B12 was interviewing all of those G5 hopefuls. We'll see.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(09-13-2017 07:45 AM)XLance Wrote:  The B1G won't make the first move either. I believe that it's all on Texas' shoulders.
There have been several stories that have been recycled about Carolina and Georgia Tech going to the B1G. Maybe nothing to them but it might be enough to slow down Delany, because there is enough validity or possibility of validity to make the B1G pause on Oklahoma. (I will try to put something together soon to explain).
There are a lot of posters/writers on somebody's payroll....the "positioning" is more subtle than in 2010 and 2015, but it has been persistent. I think that is because nobody really expects any movement before 2023 (unless that date has just been thrown out there to misdirect folks away from 2019 and the start of the ACCN).

I can't see Texas sitting around some table in 2024 basically looking around at the other conferences and declaring imperiously 'what am I bid'. This is basically a negotiation between FOX and ESPN. While I have no animus toward the Sooners, they are delusional if they think Delany is going to admit them into the B1G without Texas.

(09-13-2017 10:19 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Now this I agree with totally. There are B1G propagandists posing as Kansas and Oklahoma posters who are carefully crafting a narrative about those two programs, Oklahoma in particular.

But the truth is OU is nowhere near AAU status and would be at the bottom of the Big 10 academically. I think 2019 is the date and have said so. The networks don't want outside streaming services bidding on rights so they will rework existing contracts before 2024-5. 2023 is cutting it too close. 2019-20 is just about right for FOX and ESPN to rework existing contracts with a lengthy extension. So it's also perfect for realignment. From an ESPN perspective there would be nothing better than a feint of GaTech or UNC being available.

I'm sure Kansas and Oklahoma would be targets of the B1G if the ACC was truly, and known to be, off the table.

Also I don't see Texas making that move to the B1G. There simply isn't anyone there that they've had history with. Nebraska they knew for what, about a decade and half? Oklahoma doesn't really have that much in common with them either outside of Nebraska.

So I totally believe something is afoot, and that the details have already been worked out, probably at the time the B12 was interviewing all of those G5 hopefuls. We'll see.

I lurk on the Acre Takers website and I'm amazed at the posters who believe that OU can flip B1G membership into becoming the next UVA. I don't believe they are plants or sock puppets, I just think that they have a complete misunderstanding of the B1G, the AAU and any associated academic pedigree.

I just feel that realignment is going to be a brokering between the distributors and producers on how dividends are redistributed from asset consolidation.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(09-13-2017 01:38 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(09-13-2017 07:45 AM)XLance Wrote:  The B1G won't make the first move either. I believe that it's all on Texas' shoulders.
There have been several stories that have been recycled about Carolina and Georgia Tech going to the B1G. Maybe nothing to them but it might be enough to slow down Delany, because there is enough validity or possibility of validity to make the B1G pause on Oklahoma. (I will try to put something together soon to explain).
There are a lot of posters/writers on somebody's payroll....the "positioning" is more subtle than in 2010 and 2015, but it has been persistent. I think that is because nobody really expects any movement before 2023 (unless that date has just been thrown out there to misdirect folks away from 2019 and the start of the ACCN).

I can't see Texas sitting around some table in 2024 basically looking around at the other conferences and declaring imperiously 'what am I bid'. This is basically a negotiation between FOX and ESPN. While I have no animus toward the Sooners, they are delusional if they think Delany is going to admit them into the B1G without Texas.

(09-13-2017 10:19 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Now this I agree with totally. There are B1G propagandists posing as Kansas and Oklahoma posters who are carefully crafting a narrative about those two programs, Oklahoma in particular.

But the truth is OU is nowhere near AAU status and would be at the bottom of the Big 10 academically. I think 2019 is the date and have said so. The networks don't want outside streaming services bidding on rights so they will rework existing contracts before 2024-5. 2023 is cutting it too close. 2019-20 is just about right for FOX and ESPN to rework existing contracts with a lengthy extension. So it's also perfect for realignment. From an ESPN perspective there would be nothing better than a feint of GaTech or UNC being available.

I'm sure Kansas and Oklahoma would be targets of the B1G if the ACC was truly, and known to be, off the table.

Also I don't see Texas making that move to the B1G. There simply isn't anyone there that they've had history with. Nebraska they knew for what, about a decade and half? Oklahoma doesn't really have that much in common with them either outside of Nebraska.

So I totally believe something is afoot, and that the details have already been worked out, probably at the time the B12 was interviewing all of those G5 hopefuls. We'll see.

I lurk on the Acre Takers website and I'm amazed at the posters who believe that OU can flip B1G membership into becoming the next UVA. I don't believe they are plants or sock puppets, I just think that they have a complete misunderstanding of the B1G, the AAU and any associated academic pedigree.

I just feel that realignment is going to be a brokering between the distributors and producers on how dividends are redistributed from asset consolidation.

There are tons of Big Ten fan boys or plants or something roaming social media and other sites that feed this notion.

Some people just don't understand how it works and they believe what they're told.
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