I do agree that the AAC should make another run at BYU, Boise St, and SDSU though. This needs to happen.

(08-17-2017 09:49 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  It would be virtually impossible for me to disagree more with this statement.

First of all San Antonio is like 500 miles from New Mexico, and bears no resemblance whatsoever to New Mexico. Secondly, the city of San Antonio has more population that the entire state of New Mexico. Thirdly, the San Antonio/Austin area has over 4 million people contained within a 80 mile area so it does tap into a significant portion of Texas population. In fact, it's one of the 3 main population centers of Texas. Actually, I bet if you figured it out, the main population corridor in Texas is right along I-35 from DFW to San Antonio, to include Austin. I bet the I-35 corridor has more total population than all of east Texas, Houston included.

Like I said, it would be impossible for me to disagree more with your statement.

You know, it's entirely possible that his first sentence was supposed to say UTEP. The rest of his post would still make sense, with that change. Just saying ...

(08-17-2017 09:49 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 03:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ehhh....UTSA isnt really Texas. I mean, it obviously is within the Texas border, but that area is more like the NM than Texas and doesnt really tap into a significant portion of the Texas population The vast majority of the states population is east of San Antonio. If the MW was smart they would take UTSA (or Texas St) and N Texas. Those are large enrollment schools with lots of alumni that gets them into the Dallas and San Antonio areas. Houston would be a better area to get than SA, but UTSA or Texas St are probably a better long term option for future fanbase growth than a small private school like Rice. That said, if you want to pump up MW academics---Rice would be perfect for that and would open the 6 million person strong Houston area for recruiting. The name Texas St actually fits pretty well with the other MW members and I do think the schools sports programs have tremendous potential. Its location midway between San Antonio and Austin would allow it to gain interest from both metro areas. So, its a good option as well.

It would be virtually impossible for me to disagree more with this statement.

First of all San Antonio is like 500 miles from New Mexico, and bears no resemblance whatsoever to New Mexico. Secondly, the city of San Antonio has more population that the entire state of New Mexico. Thirdly, the San Antonio/Austin area has over 4 million people contained within a 80 mile area so it does tap into a significant portion of Texas population. In fact, it's one of the 3 main population centers of Texas. Actually, I bet if you figured it out, the main population corridor in Texas is right along I-35 from DFW to San Antonio, to include Austin. I bet the I-35 corridor has more total population than all of east Texas, Houston included.

Like I said, it would be impossible for me to disagree more with your statement.

It's a typo. It was supposed to say UTEP, was more like part of N Mexico----not UTSA (you can tell from the rest of the comments that was my intention). I've made the correction to the post.

Basically we agree. My point was simply that the best targets for the MW would be large enrollment publics in the high population areas of the state. Any 2 of UTSA, Texas St, and N Texas would be good.

(08-17-2017 10:05 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 09:49 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  It would be virtually impossible for me to disagree more with this statement.

First of all San Antonio is like 500 miles from New Mexico, and bears no resemblance whatsoever to New Mexico. Secondly, the city of San Antonio has more population that the entire state of New Mexico. Thirdly, the San Antonio/Austin area has over 4 million people contained within a 80 mile area so it does tap into a significant portion of Texas population. In fact, it's one of the 3 main population centers of Texas. Actually, I bet if you figured it out, the main population corridor in Texas is right along I-35 from DFW to San Antonio, to include Austin. I bet the I-35 corridor has more total population than all of east Texas, Houston included.

Like I said, it would be impossible for me to disagree more with your statement.

You know, it's entirely possible that his first sentence was supposed to say UTEP. The rest of his post would still make sense, with that change. Just saying ...

Lol. Correct. In fact, it DOES NOT make much sense with UTSA in that first sentience,

(08-17-2017 10:58 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 10:05 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 09:49 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  It would be virtually impossible for me to disagree more with this statement.

First of all San Antonio is like 500 miles from New Mexico, and bears no resemblance whatsoever to New Mexico. Secondly, the city of San Antonio has more population that the entire state of New Mexico. Thirdly, the San Antonio/Austin area has over 4 million people contained within a 80 mile area so it does tap into a significant portion of Texas population. In fact, it's one of the 3 main population centers of Texas. Actually, I bet if you figured it out, the main population corridor in Texas is right along I-35 from DFW to San Antonio, to include Austin. I bet the I-35 corridor has more total population than all of east Texas, Houston included.

Like I said, it would be impossible for me to disagree more with your statement.

You know, it's entirely possible that his first sentence was supposed to say UTEP. The rest of his post would still make sense, with that change. Just saying ...

Lol. Correct. In fact, it DOES NOT make much sense with UTSA in that first sentience,

Just shows how relevant UTSA has become vs UTEP and how the psyche has changed.

We know you are concern about UTSA...nobody is concerned about playing UTEP these days. :)

I love this celebrity death match mentality fans of 2nd tier and 3rd tier and even 4th tier conferences have.

Cutter of the Bish has the correct mind set when he says the MWC is the one keeping themselves out of Texas. And the same principle applies to all the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th tier conferences, they alone are responsible for their own irrelevance and poor media value.

(08-17-2017 09:53 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I do agree that the AAC should make another run at BYU, Boise St, and SDSU though. This needs to happen.

Count me as one who thinks it was a total crock how the MWC, when it still had Utah, BYU, and TCU, was stiffed of AQ in the old model. You pair that with the Big East/AAC losing AQ and big network money, and you can see how some might be gun-shy on certain expansion or realignment issues.

The BYU, AFA, SDSU, and Boise thing probably won't ever happen again because, for both sides, it's "been there, done that." Especially to the networks cutting the checks. They were there and went through it, and the money clearly wasn't good enough for the western schools.

The only thing about that where it might be worth reopening is getting western schools as full members, and not just fb-only. I'd swap out Boise for UNM or UNLV (even if next to pulse-less as fb programs go) and see if that did anything.

Count me as one who thinks there's still room there for a sixth major, but, you're slicing both the AAC and MWC to get it, with independents BYU and Army needing in on the deal, too. Never happens.

UConn
Cincinnati
Houston
BYU
Army
Navy
Air Force
SDSU
Colorado State
USF
SMU
Tulane

And if Army wasn't interested, that cluster of Memphis/Temple/UCF/Boise...you see the problem, right?

UTEP and Eastern Washington to the MWC.

(08-17-2017 01:36 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 10:58 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 10:05 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 09:49 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  It would be virtually impossible for me to disagree more with this statement.

First of all San Antonio is like 500 miles from New Mexico, and bears no resemblance whatsoever to New Mexico. Secondly, the city of San Antonio has more population that the entire state of New Mexico. Thirdly, the San Antonio/Austin area has over 4 million people contained within a 80 mile area so it does tap into a significant portion of Texas population. In fact, it's one of the 3 main population centers of Texas. Actually, I bet if you figured it out, the main population corridor in Texas is right along I-35 from DFW to San Antonio, to include Austin. I bet the I-35 corridor has more total population than all of east Texas, Houston included.

Like I said, it would be impossible for me to disagree more with your statement.

You know, it's entirely possible that his first sentence was supposed to say UTEP. The rest of his post would still make sense, with that change. Just saying ...

Lol. Correct. In fact, it DOES NOT make much sense with UTSA in that first sentience,

Just shows how relevant UTSA has become vs UTEP and how the psyche has changed.

We know you are concern about UTSA...nobody is concerned about playing UTEP these days. :)

Lol. actually just got my tickets to the game.

(08-17-2017 02:44 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 09:53 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I do agree that the AAC should make another run at BYU, Boise St, and SDSU though. This needs to happen.

Count me as one who thinks it was a total crock how the MWC, when it still had Utah, BYU, and TCU, was stiffed of AQ in the old model. You pair that with the Big East/AAC losing AQ and big network money, and you can see how some might be gun-shy on certain expansion or realignment issues.

The BYU, AFA, SDSU, and Boise thing probably won't ever happen again because, for both sides, it's "been there, done that." Especially to the networks cutting the checks. They were there and went through it, and the money clearly wasn't good enough for the western schools.

The only thing about that where it might be worth reopening is getting western schools as full members, and not just fb-only. I'd swap out Boise for UNM or UNLV (even if next to pulse-less as fb programs go) and see if that did anything.

Count me as one who thinks there's still room there for a sixth major, but, you're slicing both the AAC and MWC to get it, with independents BYU and Army needing in on the deal, too. Never happens.

UConn
Cincinnati
Houston
BYU
Army
Navy
Air Force
SDSU
Colorado State
USF
SMU
Tulane

And if Army wasn't interested, that cluster of Memphis/Temple/UCF/Boise...you see the problem, right?

Agree. The top of that conference was pretty darn salty.

As an aside, there is line in the newest season of "Last Chance U" where the team gets into a shootout and one of the coaches in the booth says "This is starting to look like one of those old MW games".

(08-17-2017 03:36 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  UTEP and Eastern Washington to the MWC.

Also BYU and Montana.

East: Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, UTEP
North: Boise State, Eastern Washington, Montana, Wyoming
South: BYU, Nevada, UNLV, Utah State
West: Fresno State, Hawaii, San Diego State, San Jose State

Protected crossover: Colorado State/Wyoming

Alternately:

East: Air Force, Colorado State, Montana, Wyoming
North: Boise State, BYU, Eastern Washington, Utah State
South: Nevada, New Mexico, UNLV, UTEP
West: Fresno State, Hawaii, San Diego State, San Jose State

Fun, but either way not so realistic.

If your gonna claim P6 status.
Only schools that made the final cut AFA, CSU, UNM and BYU should be considered for AAC membership.
BYU + 1 ,SMU, UH, Tulsa , Tulane and Navy would be Western division for football. Navy requested Western division.

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(08-17-2017 04:40 PM)MJG Wrote:  If your gonna claim P6 status.
Only schools that made the final cut AFA, CSU, UNM and BYU should be considered for AAC membership.
BYU + 1 ,SMU, UH, Tulsa , Tulane and Navy would be Western division for football. Navy requested Western division.

SDSU and Boise St. "made the final cut" ahead of a few current AAC schools. They should absolutely be considered for AAC membership (again), likely ahead of anyone other than BYU and Air Force.

Where is the money supposed to come from for this?

To woo Boise State or BYU you probably need to add $2-3M to their annual bottom lines at a minimum. Boise State is looking at a hefty travel fee for their Olympic sports and placing them in an inferior conference. SDSU also would be doing similar.

Right now it's show me the money, or go home.

Boise brings more value to the MWC contract than it takes - the bonus-system notwithstanding. Go see how many non-Boise MWC games were actually broadcast on any of the ESPN channels.

Also, better TV ratings if Boise plays Houston, Navy, Memphis, and Cincinnati instead of Wyoming, Utah St., New Mexico, and SJSU.

(08-17-2017 06:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  Boise brings more value to the MWC contract than it takes - the bonus-system notwithstanding. Go see how many non-Boise MWC games were actually broadcast on any of the ESPN channels.

Also, better TV ratings if Boise plays Houston, Navy, Memphis, and Cincinnati instead of Wyoming, Utah St., New Mexico, and SJSU.

$2-3M dollars more by switching? And then then offset in lost revenue from Basketball, and the extra $600K travel fees.

Again the argument here is that Boise State is better for the AAC not that the AAC is better for Boise, as they get on TV now and play western schools their fans know, not eastern ones.

(08-17-2017 07:06 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 06:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  Boise brings more value to the MWC contract than it takes - the bonus-system notwithstanding. Go see how many non-Boise MWC games were actually broadcast on any of the ESPN channels.

Also, better TV ratings if Boise plays Houston, Navy, Memphis, and Cincinnati instead of Wyoming, Utah St., New Mexico, and SJSU.

$2-3M dollars more by switching? And then then offset in lost revenue from Basketball, and the extra $600K travel fees.

Again the argument here is that Boise State is better for the AAC not that the AAC is better for Boise, as they get on TV now and play western schools their fans know, not eastern ones.

They wouldnt play much in the way of eastern teams. For such a set up to work, it would have to be an all sports invite and non-revenue sports would play largely divisional schedules.

A pay increase would be required for both sides to consider a western expansion. Unless there's a significant pay increase, there's no reason for the AAC to expand. So, it goes without saying---unless the AAC see's the move is worth more money--the offer will never be extended. The AAC isnt going to chase an expansion that increases travel costs without a significant pay increase.

(08-17-2017 10:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 09:49 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 03:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ehhh....UTSA isnt really Texas. I mean, it obviously is within the Texas border, but that area is more like the NM than Texas and doesnt really tap into a significant portion of the Texas population The vast majority of the states population is east of San Antonio. If the MW was smart they would take UTSA (or Texas St) and N Texas. Those are large enrollment schools with lots of alumni that gets them into the Dallas and San Antonio areas. Houston would be a better area to get than SA, but UTSA or Texas St are probably a better long term option for future fanbase growth than a small private school like Rice. That said, if you want to pump up MW academics---Rice would be perfect for that and would open the 6 million person strong Houston area for recruiting. The name Texas St actually fits pretty well with the other MW members and I do think the schools sports programs have tremendous potential. Its location midway between San Antonio and Austin would allow it to gain interest from both metro areas. So, its a good option as well.

It would be virtually impossible for me to disagree more with this statement.

First of all San Antonio is like 500 miles from New Mexico, and bears no resemblance whatsoever to New Mexico. Secondly, the city of San Antonio has more population that the entire state of New Mexico. Thirdly, the San Antonio/Austin area has over 4 million people contained within a 80 mile area so it does tap into a significant portion of Texas population. In fact, it's one of the 3 main population centers of Texas. Actually, I bet if you figured it out, the main population corridor in Texas is right along I-35 from DFW to San Antonio, to include Austin. I bet the I-35 corridor has more total population than all of east Texas, Houston included.

Like I said, it would be impossible for me to disagree more with your statement.

It's a typo. It was supposed to say UTEP, was more like part of N Mexico----not UTSA (you can tell from the rest of the comments that was my intention). I've made the correction to the post.

Basically we agree. My point was simply that the best targets for the MW would be large enrollment publics in the high population areas of the state. Any 2 of UTSA, Texas St, and N Texas would be good.

Lol. Ok no problem. Understand you meant UTEP.

(08-17-2017 05:01 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 04:40 PM)MJG Wrote:  If your gonna claim P6 status.
Only schools that made the final cut AFA, CSU, UNM and BYU should be considered for AAC membership.
BYU + 1 ,SMU, UH, Tulsa , Tulane and Navy would be Western division for football. Navy requested Western division.

SDSU and Boise St. "made the final cut" ahead of a few current AAC schools. They should absolutely be considered for AAC membership (again), likely ahead of anyone other than BYU and Air Force.

The final twelve did not include Boise their fans were complaining about it.
SDSU I don't think was in the final twelve either only because of distance.
The final twelve had almost all AAC schools and CSU, AFA, UNM, BYU maybe Rice and AAC schools. You could add any of those two and still have the near P5 academics. SDSU is the dominate sports program in the MWC and has strong academics.

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(08-18-2017 04:14 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 05:01 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 04:40 PM)MJG Wrote:  If your gonna claim P6 status.
Only schools that made the final cut AFA, CSU, UNM and BYU should be considered for AAC membership.
BYU + 1 ,SMU, UH, Tulsa , Tulane and Navy would be Western division for football. Navy requested Western division.

SDSU and Boise St. "made the final cut" ahead of a few current AAC schools. They should absolutely be considered for AAC membership (again), likely ahead of anyone other than BYU and Air Force.

The final twelve did not include Boise their fans were complaining about it.
SDSU I don't think was in the final twelve either only because of distance.
The final twelve had almost all AAC schools and CSU, AFA, UNM, BYU maybe Rice and AAC schools. You could add any of those two and still have the near P5 academics. SDSU is the dominate sports program in the MWC and has strong academics.

Are you talking about the Big 12 expansion fiasco? Geography, politics, and existing membership played a big role.

I was referring to the fact that Boise and SDSU were actually members of the AAC before some current other AAC members - and for good reason. I also note that Air Force and possibly UNLV and Fresno were invited to the Big East/AAC before some current AAC members...