(08-16-2017 09:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not a fan of the Right's extremism on abortion.

Abortion plays an important role in society--it just does.

Ms Sanger agrees. It cleanses society of undesirables.

“Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives,” Sanger wrote. —“Woman and the New Race,” 1920, Chapter 18: The Goal

“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,” Sanger wrote. —Letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble on Dec., 10, 1939

“I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world, that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically.…Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they’re born. That to me is the greatest sin—that people can—can commit,” Sanger said.


Iceland is the perfect example of this. They claim to have eradicated Downs Syndrome from Iceland. When in reality they haven't cured anything...all they have done is exterminate Downs Babies before they were born.


“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.” — Mother Theresa

I can say that kids who would be born into broken homes with no chance at a decent future are, for the most part, "undesirable."

It's perhaps a nasty thing to say but it's the truth.

(08-16-2017 09:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not a fan of the Right's extremism on abortion.

Abortion plays an important role in society--it just does.

Ms Sanger agrees. It cleanses society of undesirables.

“Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives,” Sanger wrote. —“Woman and the New Race,” 1920, Chapter 18: The Goal

“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,” Sanger wrote. —Letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble on Dec., 10, 1939

“I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world, that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically.…Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they’re born. That to me is the greatest sin—that people can—can commit,” Sanger said.


Iceland is the perfect example of this. They claim to have eradicated Downs Syndrome from Iceland. When in reality they haven't cured anything...all they have done is exterminate Downs Babies before they were born.


“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.” — Mother Theresa

I can say that kids who would be born into broken homes with no chance at a decent future are, for the most part, "undesirable."

It's perhaps a nasty thing to say but it's the truth.

Tell that to Dr. Ben Carson.

(08-16-2017 09:57 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not a fan of the Right's extremism on abortion.

Abortion plays an important role in society--it just does.

Ms Sanger agrees. It cleanses society of undesirables.

“Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives,” Sanger wrote. —“Woman and the New Race,” 1920, Chapter 18: The Goal

“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,” Sanger wrote. —Letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble on Dec., 10, 1939

“I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world, that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically.…Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they’re born. That to me is the greatest sin—that people can—can commit,” Sanger said.


Iceland is the perfect example of this. They claim to have eradicated Downs Syndrome from Iceland. When in reality they haven't cured anything...all they have done is exterminate Downs Babies before they were born.


“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.” — Mother Theresa

I can say that kids who would be born into broken homes with no chance at a decent future are, for the most part, "undesirable."

It's perhaps a nasty thing to say but it's the truth.

Tell that to Dr. Ben Carson.

A rare exception...

It's simply statistics.

(08-16-2017 09:59 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:57 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not a fan of the Right's extremism on abortion.

Abortion plays an important role in society--it just does.

Ms Sanger agrees. It cleanses society of undesirables.

“Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives,” Sanger wrote. —“Woman and the New Race,” 1920, Chapter 18: The Goal

“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,” Sanger wrote. —Letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble on Dec., 10, 1939

“I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world, that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically.…Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they’re born. That to me is the greatest sin—that people can—can commit,” Sanger said.


Iceland is the perfect example of this. They claim to have eradicated Downs Syndrome from Iceland. When in reality they haven't cured anything...all they have done is exterminate Downs Babies before they were born.


“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.” — Mother Theresa

I can say that kids who would be born into broken homes with no chance at a decent future are, for the most part, "undesirable."

It's perhaps a nasty thing to say but it's the truth.

Tell that to Dr. Ben Carson.

A rare exception...

It's simply statistics.

Kids in fatherless homes that have a strong relationship with their Heavenly God are more than statistics. Knowing that your loved beyond what this earth offers creates whole people that are transformed into something else beyond anything society thinks of them.

(08-16-2017 09:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not a fan of the Right's extremism on abortion.

Abortion plays an important role in society--it just does.

that's all that matters when making decisions that affect the whole!

there are varying levels of folk/culture/beliefs/smelting in the US.....however, there should only be best method practices (USD) administered as the clock continues to tick tock....

one then has a metric(s) to measure against as they make life decisions....that's how you co(i)ntinually train ze monkeys....

it doesn't matter what one wishes or wants.....it only matters that the herd remains in the corral...

(08-16-2017 09:59 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:57 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not a fan of the Right's extremism on abortion.

Abortion plays an important role in society--it just does.

Ms Sanger agrees. It cleanses society of undesirables.

“Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives,” Sanger wrote. —“Woman and the New Race,” 1920, Chapter 18: The Goal

“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,” Sanger wrote. —Letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble on Dec., 10, 1939

“I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world, that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically.…Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they’re born. That to me is the greatest sin—that people can—can commit,” Sanger said.


Iceland is the perfect example of this. They claim to have eradicated Downs Syndrome from Iceland. When in reality they haven't cured anything...all they have done is exterminate Downs Babies before they were born.


“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.” — Mother Theresa

I can say that kids who would be born into broken homes with no chance at a decent future are, for the most part, "undesirable."

It's perhaps a nasty thing to say but it's the truth.

Tell that to Dr. Ben Carson.

A rare exception...

It's simply statistics.

careful with details/facts/numbers......that qualifies you as a racist in their eyes....

never mind.....keep burying the dipshites with simple stats.....it's pretty simple stuffin's....

(08-16-2017 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The right is in total melt-down thanks to sticking with their failed president all the way to his bitter end.

This is going to be a fun ride. I'll try and mark the point where they realize it's lost and turn on him.

It should be epic.

If you have noticed like I have what has happened in this forum, those that knew this president would be bad left or have stopped posting long ago. The ones that remain are mostly people that are going to go down with the ship.

Sides have pretty much been chosen.

Delusional.

(08-16-2017 09:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not a fan of the Right's extremism on abortion.

Abortion plays an important role in society--it just does.

Murdering innocents plays an important role in society? Wow.

Abortion has one extreme. That would be the murdering of babies.

It's been well documented for years that Sanger was a highly racist individual and her agenda was genocidal and remains on-going.

PP aside blacks are disproportionately represented in case of abortions:

Abortion's Racial Gap

Even as the U.S. abortion rate is at its lowest since Roe v. Wade, women of color are five times as likely to terminate a pregnancy as their white counterparts. Why?

(08-17-2017 08:54 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It's been well documented for years that Sanger was a highly racist individual and her agenda was genocidal and remains on-going.

PP aside blacks are disproportionately represented in case of abortions:

Abortion's Racial Gap

Even as the U.S. abortion rate is at its lowest since Roe v. Wade, women of color are five times as likely to terminate a pregnancy as their white counterparts. Why?

Coloured women are by far and away poorer.

(08-17-2017 09:17 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 08:54 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It's been well documented for years that Sanger was a highly racist individual and her agenda was genocidal and remains on-going.

PP aside blacks are disproportionately represented in case of abortions:

Abortion's Racial Gap

Even as the U.S. abortion rate is at its lowest since Roe v. Wade, women of color are five times as likely to terminate a pregnancy as their white counterparts. Why?

Coloured women are by far and away poorer.

If you read the article it addressed that aspect:

"It is important to remember that income is not equal to socioeconomic status—history, culture, education, wealth, family education and so on all contribute to this,” Dehlendorf said. “So you can’t say that by controlling for income you are taking away the effect of socioeconomic status.”

"The only demographic in which African-Americans do not have the highest abortion rate is among women below the poverty line..."

(08-17-2017 09:35 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 09:17 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 08:54 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It's been well documented for years that Sanger was a highly racist individual and her agenda was genocidal and remains on-going.

PP aside blacks are disproportionately represented in case of abortions:

Abortion's Racial Gap

Even as the U.S. abortion rate is at its lowest since Roe v. Wade, women of color are five times as likely to terminate a pregnancy as their white counterparts. Why?

Coloured women are by far and away poorer.

If you read the article it addressed that aspect:

"It is important to remember that income is not equal to socioeconomic status—history, culture, education, wealth, family education and so on all contribute to this,” Dehlendorf said. “So you can’t say that by controlling for income you are taking away the effect of socioeconomic status.”

"The only demographic in which African-Americans do not have the highest abortion rate is among women below the poverty line..."

That kind of blows the poor women are the ones getting rid of their children right out of the water.

(08-16-2017 09:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not a fan of the Right's extremism on abortion.

Abortion plays an important role in society--it just does.

Guys.. let me give you a R/L example of where the pro-abortion group is going and this is getting only minimal notice and backlash in the media and this is why HOD, I will completely disagree with your above statement.

Quote:With the rise of prenatal screening tests across Europe and the United States, the number of babies born with Down syndrome has significantly decreased, but few countries have come as close to eradicating Down syndrome births as Iceland

Sounds GREAT right? Absolutely sounds absolutely fantatic.. We've cured "Down syndrome" in Iceland!!!

Quote:Since prenatal screening tests were introduced in Iceland in the early 2000s, the vast majority of women -- close to 100 percent -- who received a positive test for Down syndrome terminated their pregnancy.

While the tests are optional, the government states that all expectant mothers must be informed about availability of screening tests, which reveal the likelihood of a child being born with Down syndrome. Around 80 to 85 percent of pregnant women choose to take the prenatal screening test, according to Landspitali University Hospital in Reykjavik.

Down's Syndrome tested for and proven (and that's not including false positives)? ABORT THE CHILD!!!

Note: The rest of the world isn't much better:

Quote:Other countries aren't lagging too far behind in Down syndrome termination rates. According to the most recent data available, the United States has an estimated termination rate for Down syndrome of 67 percent (1995-2011); in France it's 77 percent (2015); and Denmark, 98 percent (2015).

But that's not the important line in the article about my birthplace (which I am ashamed to admit right at this moment), and this is WHERE we are frickin' headed in terms of abortions.

Quote: The law in Iceland permits abortion after 16 weeks if the fetus has a deformity -- and Down syndrome is included in this category.

A deformity? club foot! Deformity!

"Nice" to know that Eugenics are now looked on favorably again (yes, that's sarcasm!)... Margaret Sanger and a certain detestable historical figure from ... say Germany, 1938.. must be REALLY proud at the moment!

(08-17-2017 09:35 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 09:17 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 08:54 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It's been well documented for years that Sanger was a highly racist individual and her agenda was genocidal and remains on-going.

PP aside blacks are disproportionately represented in case of abortions:

Abortion's Racial Gap

Even as the U.S. abortion rate is at its lowest since Roe v. Wade, women of color are five times as likely to terminate a pregnancy as their white counterparts. Why?

Coloured women are by far and away poorer.

If you read the article it addressed that aspect:

"It is important to remember that income is not equal to socioeconomic status—history, culture, education, wealth, family education and so on all contribute to this,” Dehlendorf said. “So you can’t say that by controlling for income you are taking away the effect of socioeconomic status.”

"The only demographic in which African-Americans do not have the highest abortion rate is among women below the poverty line..."

That's an interesting way of saying that you can account for various factors.

I would assume that a woman who has already had an abortion is more likely to get another one.

I would assume that an agnostic or atheist is more likely than a Mormon.

I would assume a very well educated and a very poorly educated woman are more likely to get an abortion than a person with a high school diploma through a BA.

etc.

It's just a question of how accurate of a tool you want to use.

His own statement says that a poor person is more likely to get one than a wealthy person.

(08-16-2017 09:57 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:54 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not a fan of the Right's extremism on abortion.

Abortion plays an important role in society--it just does.

Ms Sanger agrees. It cleanses society of undesirables.

“Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives,” Sanger wrote. —“Woman and the New Race,” 1920, Chapter 18: The Goal

“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,” Sanger wrote. —Letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble on Dec., 10, 1939

“I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing children into the world, that have disease from their parents, that have no chance in the world to be a human being practically.…Delinquents, prisoners, all sorts of things just marked when they’re born. That to me is the greatest sin—that people can—can commit,” Sanger said.


Iceland is the perfect example of this. They claim to have eradicated Downs Syndrome from Iceland. When in reality they haven't cured anything...all they have done is exterminate Downs Babies before they were born.


“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.” — Mother Theresa

I can say that kids who would be born into broken homes with no chance at a decent future are, for the most part, "undesirable."

It's perhaps a nasty thing to say but it's the truth.

Tell that to Dr. Ben Carson.

Clarence Thomas also on that list...

You could argue that would have put Barack Obama on the list...

(08-17-2017 10:03 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not a fan of the Right's extremism on abortion.

Abortion plays an important role in society--it just does.

Guys.. let me give you a R/L example of where the pro-abortion group is going and this is getting only minimal notice and backlash in the media and this is why HOD, I will completely disagree with your above statement.

Quote:With the rise of prenatal screening tests across Europe and the United States, the number of babies born with Down syndrome has significantly decreased, but few countries have come as close to eradicating Down syndrome births as Iceland

Sounds GREAT right? Absolutely sounds absolutely fantatic.. We've cured "Down syndrome" in Iceland!!!

Quote:Since prenatal screening tests were introduced in Iceland in the early 2000s, the vast majority of women -- close to 100 percent -- who received a positive test for Down syndrome terminated their pregnancy.

While the tests are optional, the government states that all expectant mothers must be informed about availability of screening tests, which reveal the likelihood of a child being born with Down syndrome. Around 80 to 85 percent of pregnant women choose to take the prenatal screening test, according to Landspitali University Hospital in Reykjavik.

Down's Syndrome tested for and proven (and that's not including false positives)? ABORT THE CHILD!!!

Note: The rest of the world isn't much better:

Quote:Other countries aren't lagging too far behind in Down syndrome termination rates. According to the most recent data available, the United States has an estimated termination rate for Down syndrome of 67 percent (1995-2011); in France it's 77 percent (2015); and Denmark, 98 percent (2015).

But that's not the important line in the article about my birthplace (which I am ashamed to admit right at this moment), and this is WHERE we are frickin' headed in terms of abortions.

Quote: The law in Iceland permits abortion after 16 weeks if the fetus has a deformity -- and Down syndrome is included in this category.

A deformity? club foot! Deformity!

"Nice" to know that Eugenics are now looked on favorably again (yes, that's sarcasm!)... Margaret Sanger and a certain detestable historical figure from ... say Germany, 1938.. must be REALLY proud at the moment!

Eugenics is one of those taboo subjects that you can't discuss fairly.

If selective breeding, which at its core is all eugenics is, works on dogs why would it not work on people?

The real question is which type of people are we trying to breed?

(08-17-2017 10:13 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 10:03 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 09:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm not a fan of the Right's extremism on abortion.

Abortion plays an important role in society--it just does.

Guys.. let me give you a R/L example of where the pro-abortion group is going and this is getting only minimal notice and backlash in the media and this is why HOD, I will completely disagree with your above statement.

Quote:With the rise of prenatal screening tests across Europe and the United States, the number of babies born with Down syndrome has significantly decreased, but few countries have come as close to eradicating Down syndrome births as Iceland

Sounds GREAT right? Absolutely sounds absolutely fantatic.. We've cured "Down syndrome" in Iceland!!!

Quote:Since prenatal screening tests were introduced in Iceland in the early 2000s, the vast majority of women -- close to 100 percent -- who received a positive test for Down syndrome terminated their pregnancy.

While the tests are optional, the government states that all expectant mothers must be informed about availability of screening tests, which reveal the likelihood of a child being born with Down syndrome. Around 80 to 85 percent of pregnant women choose to take the prenatal screening test, according to Landspitali University Hospital in Reykjavik.

Down's Syndrome tested for and proven (and that's not including false positives)? ABORT THE CHILD!!!

Note: The rest of the world isn't much better:

Quote:Other countries aren't lagging too far behind in Down syndrome termination rates. According to the most recent data available, the United States has an estimated termination rate for Down syndrome of 67 percent (1995-2011); in France it's 77 percent (2015); and Denmark, 98 percent (2015).

But that's not the important line in the article about my birthplace (which I am ashamed to admit right at this moment), and this is WHERE we are frickin' headed in terms of abortions.

Quote: The law in Iceland permits abortion after 16 weeks if the fetus has a deformity -- and Down syndrome is included in this category.

A deformity? club foot! Deformity!

"Nice" to know that Eugenics are now looked on favorably again (yes, that's sarcasm!)... Margaret Sanger and a certain detestable historical figure from ... say Germany, 1938.. must be REALLY proud at the moment!

Eugenics is one of those taboo subjects that you can't discuss fairly.

If selective breeding, which at its core is all eugenics is, works on dogs why would it not work on people?

The real question is which type of people are we trying to breed?

How about fewer dumb a$$es??

RRREEEEEEEAAAAAAAAACCCCCCHHHHHHHHING for that false equivalency. Classic Trump move.

(08-17-2017 10:19 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  RRREEEEEEEAAAAAAAAACCCCCCHHHHHHHHING for that false equivalency. Classic Trump move.

uh, Sanger's own statements support the assertion that she was a racist of the most vile sort, how is that a false equivalency? Nice try, please play again when you are better equipped...