(08-16-2017 10:52 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Get this man some cheese, what a cry baby. Beating Ark St., and Troy wasn't going to get App to a NY6 bowl, we are fooling ourselves to believe that. Beating a top 20 P5 team and going 12-0 is the only path for a SBC program currently unless every other G5 program has two losses. Perception is reality.

Zero basis for this statement. It's not a bunch of message board fans who are voting on which G5 champ gets the bowl bid.

And yes, if Troy gets a win over Boise State (presumably one of the top MWC teams) and Ark State gets a win over SMU (presumably one of the better AAC teams) it will help considering what App has on this schedule.

(08-16-2017 12:46 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 10:52 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Get this man some cheese, what a cry baby. Beating Ark St., and Troy wasn't going to get App to a NY6 bowl, we are fooling ourselves to believe that. Beating a top 20 P5 team and going 12-0 is the only path for a SBC program currently unless every other G5 program has two losses. Perception is reality.

Zero basis for this statement. It's not a bunch of message board fans who are voting on which G5 champ gets the bowl bid.

And yes, if Troy gets a win over Boise State (presumably one of the top MWC teams) and Ark State gets a win over SMU (presumably one of the better AAC teams) it will help considering what App has on this schedule.

IMO there is some truth to that. Western Michigan was (at the time) 11-0 with wins over Northwestern and Illinois and the talking heads were still considering putting in a 2 loss Navy team in the NY6 bowl over them. It's hard to get in over an AAC or MWC team unless you go undefeated because there is likely going to be someone from one of those two conferences that has only 1 or 2 losses.

They didn't really make it definitive until Navy lost that 3rd game to Temple.

(08-16-2017 12:55 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 12:46 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 10:52 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Get this man some cheese, what a cry baby. Beating Ark St., and Troy wasn't going to get App to a NY6 bowl, we are fooling ourselves to believe that. Beating a top 20 P5 team and going 12-0 is the only path for a SBC program currently unless every other G5 program has two losses. Perception is reality.

Zero basis for this statement. It's not a bunch of message board fans who are voting on which G5 champ gets the bowl bid.

And yes, if Troy gets a win over Boise State (presumably one of the top MWC teams) and Ark State gets a win over SMU (presumably one of the better AAC teams) it will help considering what App has on this schedule.

IMO there is some truth to that. Western Michigan was (at the time) 11-0 with wins over Northwestern and Illinois and the talking heads were still considering putting in a 2 loss Navy team in the NY6 bowl over them. It's hard to get in over an AAC or MWC team unless you go undefeated because there is likely going to be someone from one of those two conferences that has only 1 or 2 losses.

They didn't really make it definitive until Navy lost that 3rd game to Temple.

Wasn't just that it was the 3rd game. It was the conference championship. The result of Army/Navy didn't matter at that point because Navy was out of the equation, leaving WMU as the conference champion chosen for the slot.

Only conference champions are considered for the Access Bowl. It feels like people forget about that.

TXST 2018 schedule


2019

so, we can cross off GS and CCU as cross divisional rival for TXST.
Gonna be GSU, App or Troy. My guess is GSU after seeing this.

(08-16-2017 01:09 PM)CatMom Wrote:  TXST 2018 schedule


2019

so, we can cross off GS and CCU as cross divisional rival for TXST.
Gonna be GSU, App or Troy. My guess is GSU after seeing this.

I don’t think we are having rivals after all.


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(08-16-2017 01:18 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 01:09 PM)CatMom Wrote:  TXST 2018 schedule


2019

so, we can cross off GS and CCU as cross divisional rival for TXST.
Gonna be GSU, App or Troy. My guess is GSU after seeing this.

I don’t think we are having rivals after all.


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And, really, why should we? You can't force a rivalry. With exception of Troy, there's not much of a history between the teams in the east and west. Why get a someone forced down our throats each year.

I'm glad the only exception is Troy and South Alabama.

(08-16-2017 01:25 PM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  And, really, why should we? You can't force a rivalry. With exception of Troy, there's not much of a history between the teams in the east and west. Why get a someone forced down our throats each year.

I'm glad the only exception is Troy and South Alabama.

The SEC has cross-division rivalries. Aside from UGA-Auburn, I don't think any of them are real rivalries.

The cross-division rivalries exist to help balance the schedule over the long term. Apparently we aren't doing that.

yeah I didn't really MEAN for them to be actual, rivalries (though I think some match ups like Cajuns/Southern and Astate/APP) could've easily budded into rivalry games. Like Eigen said, they're mostly for balance and equitable play

(08-16-2017 01:29 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 01:25 PM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  And, really, why should we? You can't force a rivalry. With exception of Troy, there's not much of a history between the teams in the east and west. Why get a someone forced down our throats each year.

I'm glad the only exception is Troy and South Alabama.

The SEC has cross-division rivalries. Aside from UGA-Auburn, I don't think any of them are real rivalries.

The cross-division rivalries exist to help balance the schedule over the long term. Apparently we aren't doing that.

Tennessee-Alabama is a real rivalry. It's always the Third Saurday of October. Has been for decades. It has been one sided for the past 10 years, but it's still a legit rivalry.

The ACC has more true rivalries across divisions: FSU-Miami, Clemson-Georgia Tech, NCSU-UNC, Duke-Wake Forest.

I am bummed there will not be any annual stAte-App game. That's the team that has offered easily the most potential of a naturally formed rivalry of all the teams besides Ga. Southern. Troy has potential, as does Coastal due to proximity, but stAte has a healthy dislike/respect built in.

(08-16-2017 12:46 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(08-16-2017 10:52 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Get this man some cheese, what a cry baby. Beating Ark St., and Troy wasn't going to get App to a NY6 bowl, we are fooling ourselves to believe that. Beating a top 20 P5 team and going 12-0 is the only path for a SBC program currently unless every other G5 program has two losses. Perception is reality.

Zero basis for this statement. It's not a bunch of message board fans who are voting on which G5 champ gets the bowl bid.

And yes, if Troy gets a win over Boise State (presumably one of the top MWC teams) and Ark State gets a win over SMU (presumably one of the better AAC teams) it will help considering what App has on this schedule.

Zero basis for this statement applies here.

(08-16-2017 07:21 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Zero basis for this statement applies here.

I guess we'll have to wait and see how the season turns out for the Sun Belt teams you play, but your strength of schedule could easily jump up 20+ places if you're going to play two Sun Belt teams that would be ranked in the top 60.

That's different in assuming that the CFP committee is not going to be any more thorough or rigorous in their analysis than a Bleacher Report writer.