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NCAA finally released their average attendance report for last season. Some notable things CSUB had the 13th best average increase in attendance jumping up 1,000 fans. I expect that trend to continue this year. Another notable thing is that the WAC finished 13th overall in average conference attendance with about 3,000 people per game. Great thing to see. Those numbers did not include GCU as the NCAA separated them as still reclassifying. Here's all the WAC teams attendance.

Grand Canyon- 6,817 average
New Mexico State- 4,886 average
Utah Valley- 2,939 average (Not sure if I'm the only one but this number seems WAY too high)
CSUB- 2,685 average
Seattle U- 1,404 average
UMKC- 1,334 average
UTRGV- 1,303 average
Chicago State- 1,046 average (number also seems generous)

Link to study below

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketba...d/2017.pdf
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(08-08-2017 04:23 PM)Clarity Wrote:  NCAA finally released their average attendance report for last season. Some notable things CSUB had the 13th best average increase in attendance jumping up 1,000 fans. I expect that trend to continue this year. Another notable thing is that the WAC finished 13th overall in average conference attendance with about 3,000 people per game. Great thing to see. Those numbers did not include GCU as the NCAA separated them as still reclassifying. Here's all the WAC teams attendance.

Grand Canyon- 6,817 average
New Mexico State- 4,886 average
Utah Valley- 2,939 average (Not sure if I'm the only one but this number seems WAY too high)
CSUB- 2,685 average
Seattle U- 1,404 average
UMKC- 1,334 average
UTRGV- 1,303 average
Chicago State- 1,046 average (number also seems generous)

Link to study below

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketba...d/2017.pdf
With expected attendance improvements across the board and GCU's numbers added in next year, the WAC should be able to move up a few more notches on the average attendance list. Thanks for sharing this Clarity.
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Under 1,000 for Cal Baptist. Hopefully an upturn is coming.
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(08-08-2017 04:23 PM)Clarity Wrote:  NCAA finally released their average attendance report for last season. Some notable things CSUB had the 13th best average increase in attendance jumping up 1,000 fans. I expect that trend to continue this year. Another notable thing is that the WAC finished 13th overall in average conference attendance with about 3,000 people per game. Great thing to see. Those numbers did not include GCU as the NCAA separated them as still reclassifying. Here's all the WAC teams attendance.

Grand Canyon- 6,817 average
New Mexico State- 4,886 average
Utah Valley- 2,939 average (Not sure if I'm the only one but this number seems WAY too high)
CSUB- 2,685 average
Seattle U- 1,404 average
UMKC- 1,334 average
UTRGV- 1,303 average
Chicago State- 1,046 average (number also seems generous)

Link to study below

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketba...d/2017.pdf

Keep in mind, UVU supposedly drew 6,117 in their first game against Idaho State. That one game bumped the rest of UVU's average attendance up by slightly 240 per game. The rest of UVU's games, they averaged 2,675.

It will be interesting to see if Jans can tap into the Aggie support better than Weir did in his one season. Weir had a highly successful season but Aggies fans didn't come in the numbers he expected. However, it was still a slight uptick from what Menzies' did in his final season. Rome wasn't built in a day. And, apathy in Southern New Mexico set in in Menzies nine seasons. Menzies' affable, laid back, nature never rallied Aggie support.
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I just think their numbers are way off in general. None of them sound right. When CSUB played them there couldn't have been more then 200 people there. The replay of the game is still on the WACDN.
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(08-08-2017 05:59 PM)Clarity Wrote:  I just think their numbers are way off in general. None of them sound right. When CSUB played them there couldn't have been more then 200 people there. The replay of the game is still on the WACDN.

NCAA goes off of numbers provided by schools. Schools are known for inflating attendance numbers. Which are usually tickets sold and not butts in seats.
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We're one of the few conferences with lower average attendance for the tournament than the regular season. We should go with the suggestion someone posted here to hold the tournament at the winner of the previous regular season.
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(08-08-2017 07:31 PM)edinburger Wrote:  We're one of the few conferences with lower average attendance for the tournament than the regular season. We should go with the suggestion someone posted here to hold the tournament at the winner of the previous regular season.

The WAC tournament attendance should bump up some with the addition of GCU to the tournament. And, the addition of Cal Baptist should help out a little once they are eligible.

At this point, only NMSU and GCU could guaranty a packed house for the WAC tournament if it was moved to school sites.
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(08-08-2017 05:48 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Under 1,000 for Cal Baptist. Hopefully an upturn is coming.
But the Cal Baptist number was above the d2 average. Plus I do believe they play in a really small gym.
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(08-08-2017 05:48 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Under 1,000 for Cal Baptist. Hopefully an upturn is coming.

Cal Baptist played in a gym that held 987, so they would be expected to average under 1,000. They are moving into their 5,200 seat arena this season. They will be just fine.

The WAC actually averaged 3,467 in attentandace last season. GCU's total is not included in the current conference rankings, but will be next season. UVU had three games of more than 6,000 in attendance and a fourth game that went over 5,000. They should average between 3,000 to 4,000.

Seattle has underperformed. UTRGV will be in their new arena by 2018. NMSU can do much better. Cal Baptist should do well in the WAC (3,000+). The league could get to an average of 4,000 per game by 2018, which would pass the WCC based on their numbers from this season.
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(08-08-2017 07:31 PM)edinburger Wrote:  We're one of the few conferences with lower average attendance for the tournament than the regular season. We should go with the suggestion someone posted here to hold the tournament at the winner of the previous regular season.

No! It just needs to be rotated like all other WAC championships, through each school. That is the only true fair way to do it.

Same needs to be done for baseball.
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UVU might average that on paper through numbers fudging but certainly not by people actually at the games. Not even close. Also 3,000 plus for Cal Baptist first year in D1 is way too optimistic.
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(08-08-2017 09:22 PM)Clarity Wrote:  UVU might average that on paper through numbers fudging but certainly not by people actually at the games. Not even close. Also 3,000 plus for Cal Baptist first year in D1 is way too optimistic.
With 8,500 students I would disagree. GCU was averaging about 5500 with a student body that size.
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GCU is a very very different scenario though.
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A private, Christian university transitioning from D2 to D1 with an invitation from the WAC that has made a significant investment into improving its athletics, as evidenced by building a 5000+ seat arena.

You're right. Sounds like a TOTALLY different scenario than GCU.
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(08-08-2017 11:47 PM)gleadley Wrote:  A private, Christian university transitioning from D2 to D1 with an invitation from the WAC that has made a significant investment into improving its athletics, as evidenced by building a 5000+ seat arena.

You're right. Sounds like a TOTALLY different scenario than GCU.
To be fair, the market is a little bit smaller.
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Cal Baptist isn't for profit or have the Collangelos working with them. They also don't have a very popular local former NBA player coaching them. They don't have a near unlimited amount of resources that the online portion of GCU allows them. GCU is dumping all of their money made through profit into their athletics that much is obvious. Not every private christian university is GCU. Look at Liberty, quite a bit of money yet no basketball results. They play in an 8,000 capacity arena by the way. Also another massive factor is that Riverside is not one of the biggest cities in America, Phoenix. Thinking it's the exact same scenario as GCU is very ignorant.
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Well, Cal Baptist is building a 5,200 seat arena. Nobody is saying they will pack that arena like GCU did early on when they first built GCU arena (at 5,000). So, 3K does sound attainable for Cal Baptist. It's less than half the amount GCU is currently pulling in per game.
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(08-09-2017 12:20 AM)Clarity Wrote:  Cal Baptist isn't for profit or have the Collangelos working with them. They also don't have a very popular local former NBA player coaching them. They don't have a near unlimited amount of resources that the online portion of GCU allows them. GCU is dumping all of their money made through profit into their athletics that much is obvious. Not every private christian university is GCU. Look at Liberty, quite a bit of money yet no basketball results. They play in an 8,000 capacity arena by the way. Also another massive factor is that Riverside is not one of the biggest cities in America, Phoenix. Thinking it's the exact same scenario as GCU is very ignorant.

We are still talking about attendance, right? I'm not sure what tax status or Jerry Colangelo has to do with butts in seats. Cal Baptist has a very successful D2 basketball program, led by a strong coach with D1 roots. Riverside is a smaller market, but that also means Cal Baptist has less competition for entertainment dollars.

I'm not sure who said "it's the exact same scenario as GCU", but there are similarities that lead me to believe Cal Baptist can muster the campus, alumni, and community support to have their new building more than half full within a season or two. Here is what we know about what happened when GCU opened the arena:

GCU averaged 1175 their final season in Antelope Gym (2010-11).
Attendance for the first season in GCU Arena jumped to 2278.
There was a slight bump (to 2396) for Y1 to Y2 in the Arena, which would be the last D2 season.
The jump to D1 in 2013-14 also meant a 2000/game jump in average attendance, to 4373.
GCU has only gone up from there.

Cal Baptist had above average attendance for D2 last season, but was still short of drawing what GCU had before moving into the new digs. How about we see how Cal Baptist does in attendance this first season in their new building before we go throwing the word "ignorant" around?
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For profit isn't just tax status lmao you make a **** ton of money and get your name out there and dump all of that into athletics. A lot of people know who GCU is, nobody knows who Cal Baptist is. The Colangelos help with marketing as well. In fact they were already known before they were D1 from their online school and cheesy commercials. Having a popular former NBA star as your coach also helps but you didn't mention that of course. Nobody in Riverside outside of students are going to care about Cal Baptist in their first D1 season. Why the lack of numbers at Liberty then? They are a huge university with money. The point is not every private Christian school is GCU.
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