Every job, from super star athlete to the jobs we all do every day, has the Talent-To-Trouble ratio.
In a nutshell: the more talented you are at making your job and business successful, the more trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with. Contrawise, the less talented you are at making your job and business successful, the LESS trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with.
Tom Brady could be the most politically polarizing character in the NFL because his T2T ratio is such that every team still wants him. CK's T2T ratio on the other hand is upside down. The trouble his personal BS causes FAR exceeds the talent and skills he brings to a club.
T2T. It's true for you and it's true for Kap
(This post was last modified: 08-08-2017 09:36 AM by 10thMountain.)
(08-08-2017 09:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote: Every job, from super star athlete to the jobs we all do every day, has the Talent-To-Trouble ratio.
In a nutshell: the more talented you are at making your job and business successful, the more trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with. Contrawise, the less talented you are at making your job and business successful, the LESS trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with.
Tom Brady could be the most politically polarizing character in the NFL because his T2T ratio is such that every team still wants him. CK's T2T ratio on the other hand is upside down. The trouble his personal BS causes FAR exceeds the talent and skills he brings to a club.
T2T. It's true for you and it's true for Kap
That's very true. What's also true is that the people in this country have a large capacity to forgive people when then make mistakes or have transgressions.
What they don't have much tolerance for is people who make a mistake, then continue to make the same mistake again and again.
I'd wager that if he had acknowledged that a large percentage of fans didn't care for his antics and then made a promise to be less public with his displays, he'd probably have a job. Most folks don't care what your opinions are, they just don't want you to be in their face about them.
Kaepernick is just not that good and isn't willing to do what it takes to help a team. Go look at his twitter account - none of it is football related and I couldn't find a football tweet going back 3 months (out of hundreds of tweets).
Tebow was run out of the league because he didn't want to play other positions and only wanted to compete for starting QB.
I don't like Michael Vick but to his credit when he got out of prison he stayed out of the spotlight, took the minimum salary, and was willing to be the third string QB just to make the roster. Eventually he earned his way back. Kaepernick could do the same but isn't willing to do what it takes.
(08-08-2017 10:10 AM)Gamecock Wrote: Kaepernick is just not that good and isn't willing to do what it takes to help a team. Go look at his twitter account - none of it is football related and I couldn't find a football tweet going back 3 months (out of hundreds of tweets).
Tebow was run out of the league because he didn't want to play other positions and only wanted to compete for starting QB.
I don't like Michael Vick but to his credit when he got out of prison he stayed out of the spotlight, took the minimum salary, and was willing to be the third string QB just to make the roster. Eventually he earned his way back. Kaepernick could do the same but isn't willing to do what it takes.
I don't follow Kaepernick on Twitter, so I don't know what he posts about, but upon looking you are absolutely right. With everything he has been posting on Twitter, there is an extremely high probability that he would either continue kneeling during the Anthem, or attempt to engage in another non-violent protest on whatever team is on. His whole page is dedicated to the phrase "I Know My Rights".
It's great that Kaepernick is so passionate about social injustice issues, but make no mistake, the NFL is not a megaphone that you should use to push your beliefs and agendas. There is not a single organization in its right mind that would want to deal with that distraction.
(08-08-2017 09:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote: Every job, from super star athlete to the jobs we all do every day, has the Talent-To-Trouble ratio.
In a nutshell: the more talented you are at making your job and business successful, the more trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with. Contrawise, the less talented you are at making your job and business successful, the LESS trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with.
Tom Brady could be the most politically polarizing character in the NFL because his T2T ratio is such that every team still wants him. CK's T2T ratio on the other hand is upside down. The trouble his personal BS causes FAR exceeds the talent and skills he brings to a club.
T2T. It's true for you and it's true for Kap
America 2017
Willing to boycott a sport because of a football player's twitter and social views.
Supports a president who consistently says stupid things on twitter and has broken the scale of any trouble to talent ratio.
I'm sorry but I call bs on this T2T ratio. If you just don't like the guy then be honest. I hear someone come up with something new every day just to beat around the bush of saying "I just hate him".
(This post was last modified: 08-08-2017 12:49 PM by TrojanCampaign.)
(08-08-2017 09:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote: Every job, from super star athlete to the jobs we all do every day, has the Talent-To-Trouble ratio.
In a nutshell: the more talented you are at making your job and business successful, the more trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with. Contrawise, the less talented you are at making your job and business successful, the LESS trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with.
Tom Brady could be the most politically polarizing character in the NFL because his T2T ratio is such that every team still wants him. CK's T2T ratio on the other hand is upside down. The trouble his personal BS causes FAR exceeds the talent and skills he brings to a club.
T2T. It's true for you and it's true for Kap
America 2017
Willing to boycott a sport because of a football player's twitter and social views.
Supports a president who consistently says stupid things on twitter and has broken the scale of any trouble to talent ratio.
I'm sorry but I call bs on this T2T ratio. If you just don't like the guy then be honest. I hear someone come up with something new every day just to beat around the bush of saying "I just hate him".
Hate to break it to you, but "boycotting" something or someone purely based on their social views (or political ones for that matter) has been going on LONG before "America 2017".
I'll admit I personally can't stand the guy. While he's certainly entitled to his opinion, the number of places he could get paid millions to play sports is limited. There's also numerous places that his "opinions" would get him either shot or sent to a "reeducation school". Whatever the case may be, when you consider the alternatives, the good ol' USA is by far the best option. Perfect? By no means, but better than the rest. THAT'S what irks me, people Kaeper-dick focus so much on the negative and completely ignore the positive. How about taking a minute to thank God (or whatever deity you believe in) that you were born here and not elsewhere.
Rights is a two-way street. If he has the right to speak his opinions using "protests" and social media and the fans have the right to do the same by not buying tickets.....
(This post was last modified: 08-09-2017 07:05 AM by BadgerMJ.)
(08-08-2017 09:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote: Every job, from super star athlete to the jobs we all do every day, has the Talent-To-Trouble ratio.
In a nutshell: the more talented you are at making your job and business successful, the more trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with. Contrawise, the less talented you are at making your job and business successful, the LESS trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with.
Tom Brady could be the most politically polarizing character in the NFL because his T2T ratio is such that every team still wants him. CK's T2T ratio on the other hand is upside down. The trouble his personal BS causes FAR exceeds the talent and skills he brings to a club.
T2T. It's true for you and it's true for Kap
America 2017
Willing to boycott a sport because of a football player's twitter and social views.
Supports a president who consistently says stupid things on twitter and has broken the scale of any trouble to talent ratio.
I'm sorry but I call bs on this T2T ratio. If you just don't like the guy then be honest. I hear someone come up with something new every day just to beat around the bush of saying "I just hate him".
Hate to break it to you, but "boycotting" something or someone purely based on their social views (or political ones for that matter) has been going on LONG before "America 2017".
I'll admit I personally can't stand the guy. While he's certainly entitled to his opinion, the number of places he could get paid millions to play sports is limited. There's also numerous places that his "opinions" would get him either shot or sent to a "reeducation school". Whatever the case may be, when you consider the alternatives, the good ol' USA is by far the best option. Perfect? By no means, but better than the rest. THAT'S what irks me, people Kaeper-dick focus so much on the negative and completely ignore the positive. How about taking a minute to thank God (or whatever deity you believe in) that you were born here and not elsewhere.
Rights is a two-way street. If he has the right to speak his opinions using "protests" and social media than the fans have the right to do the same by not buying tickets.....
No one has denied him the right to do exactly as he pleased.
I just don't like the term "Blackballed" - it smacks of collusion by the entire league. I highly doubt there was a closed door meeting at the annual owners meeting that included 32 hands in the air all agreeing to just ignore the guy.
I don't hate the guy - I am indifferent to him actually. I think the "outrage" is a look at me thing on both sides of the ledger actually. The problem is that regardless of the "message" money still talks - and these owners can't make enough of it so anything that may affect that income stream is going to be avoided like the plague whether they agree with the guy's position personally or not.
As for Kap - if he wants to be a martyr- that is his choice. Actually I don't really hear him complaining about this too much if at all - it is everyone else that seems to be carrying the torch for this guy.
(08-08-2017 09:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote: Every job, from super star athlete to the jobs we all do every day, has the Talent-To-Trouble ratio.
In a nutshell: the more talented you are at making your job and business successful, the more trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with. Contrawise, the less talented you are at making your job and business successful, the LESS trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with.
Tom Brady could be the most politically polarizing character in the NFL because his T2T ratio is such that every team still wants him. CK's T2T ratio on the other hand is upside down. The trouble his personal BS causes FAR exceeds the talent and skills he brings to a club.
T2T. It's true for you and it's true for Kap
America 2017
Willing to boycott a sport because of a football player's twitter and social views.
Supports a president who consistently says stupid things on twitter and has broken the scale of any trouble to talent ratio.
I'm sorry but I call bs on this T2T ratio. If you just don't like the guy then be honest. I hear someone come up with something new every day just to beat around the bush of saying "I just hate him".
Hate to break it to you, but "boycotting" something or someone purely based on their social views (or political ones for that matter) has been going on LONG before "America 2017".
I'll admit I personally can't stand the guy. While he's certainly entitled to his opinion, the number of places he could get paid millions to play sports is limited. There's also numerous places that his "opinions" would get him either shot or sent to a "reeducation school". Whatever the case may be, when you consider the alternatives, the good ol' USA is by far the best option. Perfect? By no means, but better than the rest. THAT'S what irks me, people Kaeper-dick focus so much on the negative and completely ignore the positive. How about taking a minute to thank God (or whatever deity you believe in) that you were born here and not elsewhere.
Rights is a two-way street. If he has the right to speak his opinions using "protests" and social media than the fans have the right to do the same by not buying tickets.....
No one has denied him the right to do exactly as he pleased.
No one wants to deal with him if he does.
Life is full of choices.
Exactly. He's more than welcome to get a different job. None of the owners want to pay him millions to have a large majority of their fans pissed as hell at them. No one is denying him his rights, just not offering him a job.
You HAVE your right to freedom of speech but you do NOT have the right to be free from the natural consequences of your speech. The NFL exists to make money and they will not keep talent that is alienating paying customers. You can dispute wether it's "right" for his message to be alienating but to those in charge of the bottom line it doesn't matter.
None of this has to do with freedom of speech. You're at your job. Freedom of speech has to do with the US Legal system, not your workplace. With Cap, he was defying something -- which, it was something to get upset about, but, only do that if you're willing to put your situation with your team at risk, and/or the willingness for others to pick you up. That's your right, too. He chose poorly. But really, like Tebow, he didn't have the performance to make him stay.
Comparing it to Tebow -- he was a goody-goody, a virgin -- people rolled their eyes at it. The religious right loved him, and he, like a lot of college QBs not given enough of a chance by their fans, it'll get people going that everyone hates him, when no. He wasn't doing anything upsetting the NFL. If anything, being a goody-goody the NFL liked.
There are rumors that Tebow didn't rub everyone the right way on teams and such. But, if so, I think a lot were at least just fine & cool with him. Again, performance is a huge issue and was an issue with him too.
BUT, speculation about him being in the closet (gay) has been out there. And after seeing this video -- I gotta say, I have to laugh (cheer up people!). I like Tebow, but this is funny. Watch the video. Look at the WORDING of everything and how awkward it is, and how Tebow talks and his mannerisms. Just saying!
*Edit. Akkk, click on the youtube link to watch it directly at youtube, I guess. Seriously!
(This post was last modified: 08-08-2017 08:42 PM by toddjnsn.)
(08-08-2017 07:52 PM)Wolfman Wrote: Kaepernick is a decent QB but is he good enough to lift a team like Jacksonville out of the cellar? NFL teams don't seem to think so.
It was widely reported that Kaepernick had issues in the locker room. You can't have that from your team leader.
Trump is pandering to his fan base. Kaepernick alienated the NFL fan base.
No comparison between Tebow and Kaepernick situations.
He didn't really have lockerroom problems other than being aloof behind the scenes not joining social events (a lot like Ray Allen with the Celtics) but last year that changed and they voted him with the teammate award. Like said earlier, the issue isn't his play or his relationship with teammates. Its that he took up the position that pisses off most of middle class America, and that ain't gonna fly because they buy the tickets. There are always consequences for your actions.
(08-08-2017 09:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote: Every job, from super star athlete to the jobs we all do every day, has the Talent-To-Trouble ratio.
In a nutshell: the more talented you are at making your job and business successful, the more trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with. Contrawise, the less talented you are at making your job and business successful, the LESS trouble that your personal BS causes will be put up with.
Tom Brady could be the most politically polarizing character in the NFL because his T2T ratio is such that every team still wants him. CK's T2T ratio on the other hand is upside down. The trouble his personal BS causes FAR exceeds the talent and skills he brings to a club.
T2T. It's true for you and it's true for Kap
America 2017
Willing to boycott a sport because of a football player's twitter and social views.
Supports a president who consistently says stupid things on twitter and has broken the scale of any trouble to talent ratio.
I'm sorry but I call bs on this T2T ratio. If you just don't like the guy then be honest. I hear someone come up with something new every day just to beat around the bush of saying "I just hate him".
Hate to break it to you, but "boycotting" something or someone purely based on their social views (or political ones for that matter) has been going on LONG before "America 2017".
I'll admit I personally can't stand the guy. While he's certainly entitled to his opinion, the number of places he could get paid millions to play sports is limited. There's also numerous places that his "opinions" would get him either shot or sent to a "reeducation school". Whatever the case may be, when you consider the alternatives, the good ol' USA is by far the best option. Perfect? By no means, but better than the rest. THAT'S what irks me, people Kaeper-dick focus so much on the negative and completely ignore the positive. How about taking a minute to thank God (or whatever deity you believe in) that you were born here and not elsewhere.
Rights is a two-way street. If he has the right to speak his opinions using "protests" and social media than the fans have the right to do the same by not buying tickets.....
No one has denied him the right to do exactly as he pleased.
No one wants to deal with him if he does.
Life is full of choices.
This.
The NFL probably acted in conflict of their best interests last year by not putting a muzzle on him.
This year he's paying the price for the NFL's leniency.
The market has decided that his negatives outweigh the positives at this point.
That's the ultimate example of equality out there.
CK had the right to express his opinion. The NFL has the right to dislike his opinion. He is a ball of controversy, Who needs that? With rights come consequences.
You HAVE your right to freedom of speech but you do NOT have the right to be free from the natural consequences of your speech. The NFL exists to make money and they will not keep talent that is alienating paying customers. You can dispute wether it's "right" for his message to be alienating but to those in charge of the bottom line it doesn't matter.
For another example, see the Dixie Chicks
Freedom of speech means different things to different people. In the Midwest it's ok to talk about religion and politics in the workplace - even if you're an extremist, people don't care about your personal opinions when it comes to getting work done. But in California, I've learned that talking about politics at work (or even in a social setting) is a big faux pas.
In an ideal world a quarterback (or anyone else) should be hired based on their skills, not their personal opinions. And ever since McCarthyism ended in the 60s, this used to be the case - remember that there was no boycott of Muhammad Ali or Carlos Delgado. But unfortunately, in the last two decades there has been a movement by Leftists to boycott businesses and entertainers based on their political opinions. The Alt-Right has recently started responding in-kind.
So if you're mad about Cap not getting a job, you should really blame the Left for expanding the limits of what is considered acceptable political tactics.
You HAVE your right to freedom of speech but you do NOT have the right to be free from the natural consequences of your speech. The NFL exists to make money and they will not keep talent that is alienating paying customers. You can dispute wether it's "right" for his message to be alienating but to those in charge of the bottom line it doesn't matter.
For another example, see the Dixie Chicks
Freedom of speech means different things to different people. In the Midwest it's ok to talk about religion and politics in the workplace - even if you're an extremist, people don't care about your personal opinions when it comes to getting work done. But in California, I've learned that talking about politics at work (or even in a social setting) is a big faux pas.
In an ideal world a quarterback (or anyone else) should be hired based on their skills, not their personal opinions. And ever since McCarthyism ended in the 60s, this used to be the case - remember that there was no boycott of Muhammad Ali or Carlos Delgado. But unfortunately, in the last two decades there has been a movement by Leftists to boycott businesses and entertainers based on their political opinions. The Alt-Right has recently started responding in-kind.
So if you're mad about Cap not getting a job, you should really blame the Left for expanding the limits of what is considered acceptable political tactics.
This post is ridiculously wrong. People are people, and you're drinking Kool-aid if you think one mainstream group is any more (or less) moral or tolerant than another.
(This post was last modified: 08-09-2017 05:55 PM by nzmorange.)
