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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2019
(12-04-2019 10:35 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
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(12-04-2019 04:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(12-04-2019 12:19 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I would certainly take Robinson over a couple scholarships that we have on the roster this year but would it make an impact on the team....no.

LOL. Sure it would make an impact on the team this year. It would take Dickens out of the starting lineup and send him to the bench same as it did last season.

Since you love stats, here's some head to head stats for comparison -

Robinson - 9 minutes, 2.3 points, 2.1 rebounds, 53.3% shooting.
Dickens - 15.6 minutes, 3.3 points, 2.3 rebounds, 44.4% shooting.
Ezikpe - 14.4 minutes, 5.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 43.2 % shooting.

Not a lot of difference in the "stats". Only thing is that Robinson did most all of his against the starters of the other team whereas the other two guys came off the bench. Robinson shot a much higher percentage, and managed comparable scoring and rebounding averages in far less time on the court.

I'd also point out that if he played on this season's team he would probably have a higher scoring average since he would not be playing as only the 3rd or 4th scoring option behind BJ and Caver who collectively averaged 33.4 points on a low scoring team. The shots and points are there to be had this season for Dickens and Ezikpe. They just aren't taking advantage of it well enough. I'm sure Jeff wishes they COULD score more than they are.

So what does being the 7th scoring option on a low scoring team get you?
Don't get all the focus on bigs. They have never played a meaningful role on any of JJ's teams. Stats or not, the reason we are bad this year has nothing to do with the loss of Robinson, or the lack of offensive production in the post.

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I respect your opinion but I respectfully disagree with some of your statement. I agree our scoring problems have nothing ( or little) to do with Robinson leaving. However I think our lack of production has a lot to do with our post scoring. BJ Stith did not play center but he played the 4 a lot and he scored a ton of points off curls in or around the paint. That opened up the outside game for us. I bet if you could compare the three point attempts X is getting right now compared to last year they are twice as hard. It’s not all because he is the main guy and it’s not because he is worse than last year. Part of it is because there is nobody down low scoring the ball, regardless of whether it is a center or power forward.
In the NCAA last year against Purdue our offense looked horrible and a lot to do with BJ having a slump at a bad time. But he was basically the only weapon we had last year that could score in the paint and it created all kinds of problems when he didn’t do that. In today’s game you don’t necessarily need a Gerald Lee to post up but you at least need somebody that can score with ease in the paint. BJ could do that.
I know I for one overestimated ( at least early on) what Kalu or Dickens would produce in the paint. I pictured Kalu as a guy that would not necessarily post up but would hit the 8-10 foot jumper with ease. That hasn’t happened. If that does start to click or the light comes on for Dickens I think we will see Godwin, X, Oliver, get some wide open looks they will knock down. Right now Godwin and X have guys all over them. Some type of low post scoring could turn that around. We need that to happen soon.

Exactly right. Excellent post!

This at the rim stuff doesn’t apple since BJ was great ( first2/3 of season) at getting into the lane and shooting those 10-12 foot jumpers.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2019
(12-04-2019 11:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
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(12-04-2019 11:14 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
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(12-04-2019 10:57 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Even if that was true it doesn't matter as it is comparing apples and oranges. Robinson is a center. Carver is not. Oh, I forgot. You like that really small ball basketball where everybody is running around jacking up lots and lots of 3's. ODU threw up 20 of them Tuesday night against a team that has owned them under the Jeff Jones era. How'd that work out?

There isn’t a stat on earth that will answer this question correctly because it doesn’t exist.

Odus best teams ever all had strong back to the basket forwards and centers.

PERIOD. No amount of absurd statistical obfuscation will change this fact.

^^^^ FACT ^^^^

ODUs "best" teams also never had a good offense. They won with defense.

And it was also a different brand of game 10 years ago before people started understanding what efficient offense meant.

Apparently you are too young to have seen a few of ODU's "best" teams that did indeed have very good offenses.

Right off the top of my head - ONE of their "best" teams averaged over 77 points a game and had 4 players average in double figures. Their top two scorers collectively averaged more than BJ and Caver did last season.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch.../1995.html

Advanced data is only about 20 years old so thats how far I went back. Some of the earlier teams could have had better offenses but without good data comparing them to other teams (not ppg, lol), then its impossible to judge. It was a differet game with different rules. I would centure to guess the offenses were pretty good but the game was played at a significantly higher pace.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2019
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(12-04-2019 10:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Besides Nathan Knight, who have they had thats better than what ODU has rolled out the past 5-10 years? Assuming them meant plural

Judging from this past game, I would add Andy Van Vliet into the mix. He outscored out entire frontcourt by himself.

So you think he’s better than Arledge, Porter, Stith? Lol

I doubt that, but we don't have any of those guys this year. The point is that W&M has outrecruited us in the frontcourt by a wide margin in the current version of our teams.

Perhaps our guys will improve, but as of right now, we don't look good. Did you see what the Mason bigs did to us on the boards?

Absolutely.....bc of Nathan Knight, who se just played in his senior year. If they were consistently getting these guys, then it would be a discussion. But, they have consistently been inferior to us despite being the better team this year.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2019
(12-05-2019 09:19 AM)mac Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:35 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 06:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 04:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 02:13 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  LOL. Sure it would make an impact on the team this year. It would take Dickens out of the starting lineup and send him to the bench same as it did last season.

Since you love stats, here's some head to head stats for comparison -

Robinson - 9 minutes, 2.3 points, 2.1 rebounds, 53.3% shooting.
Dickens - 15.6 minutes, 3.3 points, 2.3 rebounds, 44.4% shooting.
Ezikpe - 14.4 minutes, 5.2 points, 3.2 rebounds, 43.2 % shooting.

Not a lot of difference in the "stats". Only thing is that Robinson did most all of his against the starters of the other team whereas the other two guys came off the bench. Robinson shot a much higher percentage, and managed comparable scoring and rebounding averages in far less time on the court.

I'd also point out that if he played on this season's team he would probably have a higher scoring average since he would not be playing as only the 3rd or 4th scoring option behind BJ and Caver who collectively averaged 33.4 points on a low scoring team. The shots and points are there to be had this season for Dickens and Ezikpe. They just aren't taking advantage of it well enough. I'm sure Jeff wishes they COULD score more than they are.

So what does being the 7th scoring option on a low scoring team get you?
Don't get all the focus on bigs. They have never played a meaningful role on any of JJ's teams. Stats or not, the reason we are bad this year has nothing to do with the loss of Robinson, or the lack of offensive production in the post.

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I respect your opinion but I respectfully disagree with some of your statement. I agree our scoring problems have nothing ( or little) to do with Robinson leaving. However I think our lack of production has a lot to do with our post scoring. BJ Stith did not play center but he played the 4 a lot and he scored a ton of points off curls in or around the paint. That opened up the outside game for us. I bet if you could compare the three point attempts X is getting right now compared to last year they are twice as hard. It’s not all because he is the main guy and it’s not because he is worse than last year. Part of it is because there is nobody down low scoring the ball, regardless of whether it is a center or power forward.
In the NCAA last year against Purdue our offense looked horrible and a lot to do with BJ having a slump at a bad time. But he was basically the only weapon we had last year that could score in the paint and it created all kinds of problems when he didn’t do that. In today’s game you don’t necessarily need a Gerald Lee to post up but you at least need somebody that can score with ease in the paint. BJ could do that.
I know I for one overestimated ( at least early on) what Kalu or Dickens would produce in the paint. I pictured Kalu as a guy that would not necessarily post up but would hit the 8-10 foot jumper with ease. That hasn’t happened. If that does start to click or the light comes on for Dickens I think we will see Godwin, X, Oliver, get some wide open looks they will knock down. Right now Godwin and X have guys all over them. Some type of low post scoring could turn that around. We need that to happen soon.

Exactly right. Excellent post!

This at the rim stuff doesn’t apple since BJ was great ( first2/3 of season) at getting into the lane and shooting those 10-12 foot jumpers.

Again, he rarely shot in the lane. You are talking about less than 10% of shots ignoring transition layups/dunks.
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Nathan Knight to me is a David Robinson type player, who really developed in college. Out of HS he had a bunch of offers, all mid-majors unranked by the recruiting services. I also think his game is very similar to the Admiral. He could be the piece that gets WM in the NCAAs, shame Tony won't get the credit he deserved.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2019
(12-05-2019 09:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 09:19 AM)mac Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:35 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 06:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 04:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So what does being the 7th scoring option on a low scoring team get you?
Don't get all the focus on bigs. They have never played a meaningful role on any of JJ's teams. Stats or not, the reason we are bad this year has nothing to do with the loss of Robinson, or the lack of offensive production in the post.

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I respect your opinion but I respectfully disagree with some of your statement. I agree our scoring problems have nothing ( or little) to do with Robinson leaving. However I think our lack of production has a lot to do with our post scoring. BJ Stith did not play center but he played the 4 a lot and he scored a ton of points off curls in or around the paint. That opened up the outside game for us. I bet if you could compare the three point attempts X is getting right now compared to last year they are twice as hard. It’s not all because he is the main guy and it’s not because he is worse than last year. Part of it is because there is nobody down low scoring the ball, regardless of whether it is a center or power forward.
In the NCAA last year against Purdue our offense looked horrible and a lot to do with BJ having a slump at a bad time. But he was basically the only weapon we had last year that could score in the paint and it created all kinds of problems when he didn’t do that. In today’s game you don’t necessarily need a Gerald Lee to post up but you at least need somebody that can score with ease in the paint. BJ could do that.
I know I for one overestimated ( at least early on) what Kalu or Dickens would produce in the paint. I pictured Kalu as a guy that would not necessarily post up but would hit the 8-10 foot jumper with ease. That hasn’t happened. If that does start to click or the light comes on for Dickens I think we will see Godwin, X, Oliver, get some wide open looks they will knock down. Right now Godwin and X have guys all over them. Some type of low post scoring could turn that around. We need that to happen soon.

Exactly right. Excellent post!

This at the rim stuff doesn’t apple since BJ was great ( first2/3 of season) at getting into the lane and shooting those 10-12 foot jumpers.

Again, he rarely shot in the lane. You are talking about less than 10% of shots ignoring transition layups/dunks.

BJ’s shots were not necessarily in the lane but there were a lot of mid range jumpers that drew attention and led to open threes for Godwin, X, Caver. Sure, BJ was a jump shooter and not a back to the basket kind of player but he was effective getting to the rim. That also opened up some of those dunk opportunities that Dickens and Kalu got last year. My point I am trying to make is I think the lack of post scoring has a good bit to do with poor scoring from the perimeter as well.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2019
(12-04-2019 10:57 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
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(12-04-2019 07:20 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Just after last season ended Jeff was on the radio with Ted and Dave talking about ODU going forward towards this current season. Jeff stated that "we need to improve our post presence next season". But what does he know about it, right?

As it stands today, it appears that it went in the opposite direction, unless you consider replacing his senior starter with a smaller, freshman, foreigner that is too injured to play at all as being an improvement.

Improving the post presence after losing Robinson is a tall task!

Apparently it was a Tall Task, lol. Can't do it playing 6'-7" Carver there - or is that really 6'-5" Carver?

Why not? Carver has been much better this year than Robinson was last year.

Even if that was true it doesn't matter as it is comparing apples and oranges. Robinson is a center. Carver is not. Oh, I forgot. You like that really small ball basketball where everybody is running around jacking up lots and lots of 3's. ODU threw up 20 of them Tuesday night against a team that has owned them under the Jeff Jones era. How'd that work out?

Therein lies the problem with JJ. His teams can NEVER shoot. This goes all the way back to his time at UVA. The problem isn't the post, it is JJ's approach to offense.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2019
(12-05-2019 10:14 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 09:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 09:19 AM)mac Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:35 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 06:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Don't get all the focus on bigs. They have never played a meaningful role on any of JJ's teams. Stats or not, the reason we are bad this year has nothing to do with the loss of Robinson, or the lack of offensive production in the post.

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I respect your opinion but I respectfully disagree with some of your statement. I agree our scoring problems have nothing ( or little) to do with Robinson leaving. However I think our lack of production has a lot to do with our post scoring. BJ Stith did not play center but he played the 4 a lot and he scored a ton of points off curls in or around the paint. That opened up the outside game for us. I bet if you could compare the three point attempts X is getting right now compared to last year they are twice as hard. It’s not all because he is the main guy and it’s not because he is worse than last year. Part of it is because there is nobody down low scoring the ball, regardless of whether it is a center or power forward.
In the NCAA last year against Purdue our offense looked horrible and a lot to do with BJ having a slump at a bad time. But he was basically the only weapon we had last year that could score in the paint and it created all kinds of problems when he didn’t do that. In today’s game you don’t necessarily need a Gerald Lee to post up but you at least need somebody that can score with ease in the paint. BJ could do that.
I know I for one overestimated ( at least early on) what Kalu or Dickens would produce in the paint. I pictured Kalu as a guy that would not necessarily post up but would hit the 8-10 foot jumper with ease. That hasn’t happened. If that does start to click or the light comes on for Dickens I think we will see Godwin, X, Oliver, get some wide open looks they will knock down. Right now Godwin and X have guys all over them. Some type of low post scoring could turn that around. We need that to happen soon.

Exactly right. Excellent post!

This at the rim stuff doesn’t apple since BJ was great ( first2/3 of season) at getting into the lane and shooting those 10-12 foot jumpers.

Again, he rarely shot in the lane. You are talking about less than 10% of shots ignoring transition layups/dunks.

BJ’s shots were not necessarily in the lane but there were a lot of mid range jumpers that drew attention and led to open threes for Godwin, X, Caver. Sure, BJ was a jump shooter and not a back to the basket kind of player but he was effective getting to the rim. That also opened up some of those dunk opportunities that Dickens and Kalu got last year. My point I am trying to make is I think the lack of post scoring has a good bit to do with poor scoring from the perimeter as well.

Getting open 3s is not the problem for this team. Nobody is guarding them out to the line. That's why they are shooting so many even when they can't make them.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2019
(12-05-2019 10:18 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:57 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 08:39 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 08:22 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 07:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Improving the post presence after losing Robinson is a tall task!

Apparently it was a Tall Task, lol. Can't do it playing 6'-7" Carver there - or is that really 6'-5" Carver?

Why not? Carver has been much better this year than Robinson was last year.

Even if that was true it doesn't matter as it is comparing apples and oranges. Robinson is a center. Carver is not. Oh, I forgot. You like that really small ball basketball where everybody is running around jacking up lots and lots of 3's. ODU threw up 20 of them Tuesday night against a team that has owned them under the Jeff Jones era. How'd that work out?

Therein lies the problem with JJ. His teams can NEVER shoot. This goes all the way back to his time at UVA. The problem isn't the post, it is JJ's approach to offense.

I agree with your comment regarding JJ's teams historic shooting woes. Along with having a weak shooting team thus far this season, there are several other issues that are problematic and the post play is certainly one of them. That alone isn't simply an offense thing either. JMU's unknown 6'-8" center (for example) torched ODU again and again inside. ODU's centers (Dickens and Kalu) should never have games where they play 15-20+ minutes and have 0-3 rebounds. Combined thus far this season they are averaging 30 minutes and 5 rebounds. I would think they could have that same number pretty much by the ones that came off the rim right to them. Dickens in particular doesn't go hard to the boards at either end. At 7 feet he is often going against shorter opposing centers and should be rebounding at a much higher rate, particular in those games. Some of those should be offensive rebounds for easy stick backs that he very seldom has.

It was stated - after or during the W & M game I believe - that Coach Stith had been spending time after practices working with the centers on post offensive moves. Jeff or whoever it was talking said that Coach Stith had stated to them that he has yet to see either of the players use any of the moves that he had worked with them on in practice in a game. Why that is, I don't know.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2019
(12-05-2019 09:25 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 11:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
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(12-04-2019 11:14 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 11:10 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  There isn’t a stat on earth that will answer this question correctly because it doesn’t exist.

Odus best teams ever all had strong back to the basket forwards and centers.

PERIOD. No amount of absurd statistical obfuscation will change this fact.

^^^^ FACT ^^^^

ODUs "best" teams also never had a good offense. They won with defense.

And it was also a different brand of game 10 years ago before people started understanding what efficient offense meant.

Apparently you are too young to have seen a few of ODU's "best" teams that did indeed have very good offenses.

Right off the top of my head - ONE of their "best" teams averaged over 77 points a game and had 4 players average in double figures. Their top two scorers collectively averaged more than BJ and Caver did last season.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch.../1995.html

Advanced data is only about 20 years old so thats how far I went back. Some of the earlier teams could have had better offenses but without good data comparing them to other teams (not ppg, lol), then its impossible to judge. It was a differet game with different rules. I would centure to guess the offenses were pretty good but the game was played at a significantly higher pace.

I didn't need any "advanced data" on that '95 team to determine if they were a strong team offensively. I had something far better to draw from - personal observation. They were a terrific team with multiple guys that could (and did) score. Had Odell Hodge not gotten injured in the 4th or 5th game against Tulane, an injury that took him out for the rest of the year, that team probably wins several more games than they ultimately did - possibly even in the NCAA Tournament.

The game hasn't changed that much since the team of Sessoms, Hodge, Jones, Mullen, etc. played for ODU. I have no doubt what so ever that if that same '95 team could come back today at the same ages they were at the time and play this years ODU team, or even last years NCAA Tournament ODU team, they would prevail. Odell and Petey alone would give this years team a severe headache trying to defend them. Throw in Jones and Mullen and it would be a severe meltdown. They also had a guard on that team - Duffy Samuels - that Coach Capel described as being like an "Ant at a picnic" because he was a defensive specialist that got a lot of steals while coming off the bench.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2019
(12-05-2019 11:08 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 09:25 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 11:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 11:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 11:14 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  ^^^^ FACT ^^^^

ODUs "best" teams also never had a good offense. They won with defense.

And it was also a different brand of game 10 years ago before people started understanding what efficient offense meant.

Apparently you are too young to have seen a few of ODU's "best" teams that did indeed have very good offenses.

Right off the top of my head - ONE of their "best" teams averaged over 77 points a game and had 4 players average in double figures. Their top two scorers collectively averaged more than BJ and Caver did last season.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch.../1995.html

Advanced data is only about 20 years old so thats how far I went back. Some of the earlier teams could have had better offenses but without good data comparing them to other teams (not ppg, lol), then its impossible to judge. It was a differet game with different rules. I would centure to guess the offenses were pretty good but the game was played at a significantly higher pace.

I didn't need any "advanced data" on that '95 team to determine if they were a strong team offensively. I had something far better to draw from - personal observation. They were a terrific team with multiple guys that could (and did) score. Had Odell Hodge not gotten injured in the 4th or 5th game against Tulane, an injury that took him out for the rest of the year, that team probably wins several more games than they ultimately did - possibly even in the NCAA Tournament.

The game hasn't changed that much since the team of Sessoms, Hodge, Jones, Mullen, etc. played for ODU. I have no doubt what so ever that if that same '95 team could come back today at the same ages they were at the time and play this years ODU team, or even last years NCAA Tournament ODU team, they would prevail. Odell and Petey alone would give this years team a severe headache trying to defend them. Throw in Jones and Mullen and it would be a severe meltdown. They also had a guard on that team - Duffy Samuels - that Coach Capel described as being like an "Ant at a picnic" because he was a defensive specialist that got a lot of steals while coming off the bench.

Yep!

Can you answer me this please? Why isn’t Perry Sessoms name hanging from the rafters? It should be.
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(12-05-2019 09:26 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 09:11 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 09:08 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 09:07 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Besides Nathan Knight, who have they had thats better than what ODU has rolled out the past 5-10 years? Assuming them meant plural

Judging from this past game, I would add Andy Van Vliet into the mix. He outscored out entire frontcourt by himself.

So you think he’s better than Arledge, Porter, Stith? Lol

I doubt that, but we don't have any of those guys this year. The point is that W&M has outrecruited us in the frontcourt by a wide margin in the current version of our teams.

Perhaps our guys will improve, but as of right now, we don't look good. Did you see what the Mason bigs did to us on the boards?

Absolutely.....bc of Nathan Knight, who se just played in his senior year. If they were consistently getting these guys, then it would be a discussion. But, they have consistently been inferior to us despite being the better team this year.
They've won 7 of their last 9 against us...

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(12-05-2019 09:25 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 11:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 11:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  ODUs "best" teams also never had a good offense. They won with defense.

And it was also a different brand of game 10 years ago before people started understanding what efficient offense meant.

Apparently you are too young to have seen a few of ODU's "best" teams that did indeed have very good offenses.

Right off the top of my head - ONE of their "best" teams averaged over 77 points a game and had 4 players average in double figures. Their top two scorers collectively averaged more than BJ and Caver did last season.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch.../1995.html

Advanced data is only about 20 years old so thats how far I went back. Some of the earlier teams could have had better offenses but without good data comparing them to other teams (not ppg, lol), then its impossible to judge. It was a differet game with different rules. I would centure to guess the offenses were pretty good but the game was played at a significantly higher pace.

I didn't need any "advanced data" on that '95 team to determine if they were a strong team offensively. I had something far better to draw from - personal observation. They were a terrific team with multiple guys that could (and did) score. Had Odell Hodge not gotten injured in the 4th or 5th game against Tulane, an injury that took him out for the rest of the year, that team probably wins several more games than they ultimately did - possibly even in the NCAA Tournament.

The game hasn't changed that much since the team of Sessoms, Hodge, Jones, Mullen, etc. played for ODU. I have no doubt what so ever that if that same '95 team could come back today at the same ages they were at the time and play this years ODU team, or even last years NCAA Tournament ODU team, they would prevail. Odell and Petey alone would give this years team a severe headache trying to defend them. Throw in Jones and Mullen and it would be a severe meltdown. They also had a guard on that team - Duffy Samuels - that Coach Capel described as being like an "Ant at a picnic" because he was a defensive specialist that got a lot of steals while coming off the bench.

Yep!

Can you answer me this please? Why isn’t Perry Sessoms name hanging from the rafters? It should be.

Pretty sure Odell tore up his knee against Southern Illinois. Not that it matters.

Don't think he graduated and that is a requirement I believe. Duffy Samuels was a pure joy to wath. A guaranteed steal every time on the court. High motor, loved defense.
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(12-05-2019 12:30 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 11:51 AM)mac Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 11:08 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 09:25 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 11:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Apparently you are too young to have seen a few of ODU's "best" teams that did indeed have very good offenses.

Right off the top of my head - ONE of their "best" teams averaged over 77 points a game and had 4 players average in double figures. Their top two scorers collectively averaged more than BJ and Caver did last season.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch.../1995.html

Advanced data is only about 20 years old so thats how far I went back. Some of the earlier teams could have had better offenses but without good data comparing them to other teams (not ppg, lol), then its impossible to judge. It was a differet game with different rules. I would centure to guess the offenses were pretty good but the game was played at a significantly higher pace.

I didn't need any "advanced data" on that '95 team to determine if they were a strong team offensively. I had something far better to draw from - personal observation. They were a terrific team with multiple guys that could (and did) score. Had Odell Hodge not gotten injured in the 4th or 5th game against Tulane, an injury that took him out for the rest of the year, that team probably wins several more games than they ultimately did - possibly even in the NCAA Tournament.

The game hasn't changed that much since the team of Sessoms, Hodge, Jones, Mullen, etc. played for ODU. I have no doubt what so ever that if that same '95 team could come back today at the same ages they were at the time and play this years ODU team, or even last years NCAA Tournament ODU team, they would prevail. Odell and Petey alone would give this years team a severe headache trying to defend them. Throw in Jones and Mullen and it would be a severe meltdown. They also had a guard on that team - Duffy Samuels - that Coach Capel described as being like an "Ant at a picnic" because he was a defensive specialist that got a lot of steals while coming off the bench.

Yep!

Can you answer me this please? Why isn’t Perry Sessoms name hanging from the rafters? It should be.

Pretty sure Odell tore up his knee against Southern Illinois. Not that it matters.

Don't think he graduated and that is a requirement I believe. Duffy Samuels was a pure joy to wath. A guaranteed steal every time on the court. High motor, loved defense.

Thanks VB. You were right about Odell getting injured at Southern Illinois (see more about it in the link below). I stand corrected on that.

https://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pi...080612.htm
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