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Ten Blocks~~~ that and his coaches comments, all I see !

Seems like the Monarchs are waiting for the transfer posse to me.

(02-20-2019 11:09 AM)mac Wrote:  Ten Blocks~~~ that and his coaches comments, all I see !

Seems like the Monarchs are waiting for the transfer posse to me.

Yeah, I have no idea how scouts judge talent. Never understood why one beast is a 4-5 star going to UNC and the next that seems just as good to me plays at CNU.

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(02-22-2019 09:03 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

I have no problem with this. If a kid wants to play in the NBA, and he's good enough, let him do so. I also like the D-league. Why force a kid who has the potential to be NBA quality to go to college if he doesnt want to? Not everyone wants to go to college. College doesnt offer degrees in basketball either. Provide developmental options for those guys. I don't like the one and done situations, and would hope those guys just go to the D-league, overseas or straight to the NBA.

(02-22-2019 09:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:03 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

I have no problem with this. If a kid wants to play in the NBA, and he's good enough, let him do so. I also like the D-league. Why force a kid who has the potential to be NBA quality to go to college if he doesnt want to? Not everyone wants to go to college. College doesnt offer degrees in basketball either. Provide developmental options for those guys. I don't like the one and done situations, and would hope those guys just go to the D-league, overseas or straight to the NBA.

Yeah it's long overdue. The NBA just took way too long into developing the D/G League into what it should have been all along; a true minor league that allows players to move back and forth between the two leagues so they can continue their development.

If a guy can become a carpenter at 19, why can't a basketball player?

Bc maybe the basketball player isn't a good carpenter.

(02-22-2019 09:17 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:03 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

I have no problem with this. If a kid wants to play in the NBA, and he's good enough, let him do so. I also like the D-league. Why force a kid who has the potential to be NBA quality to go to college if he doesnt want to? Not everyone wants to go to college. College doesnt offer degrees in basketball either. Provide developmental options for those guys. I don't like the one and done situations, and would hope those guys just go to the D-league, overseas or straight to the NBA.

Yeah it's long overdue. The NBA just took way too long into developing the D/G League into what it should have been all along; a true minor league that allows players to move back and forth between the two leagues so they can continue their development.

I am old fashion. I think if a kids signs a NLI to play basketball, for a school, he or she should be required to honor that commitment unless the coach is fired or leaves for greener pastures. All this transferring becasue I made a poor decision and didn't know that I was going to ride the bench for 2 seasons before I get to play is a bunch of BS. That said, if a kid is coming out of HS and wants to go straight to the NBA or WNBA more power to them.

(02-22-2019 10:12 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:17 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:03 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

I have no problem with this. If a kid wants to play in the NBA, and he's good enough, let him do so. I also like the D-league. Why force a kid who has the potential to be NBA quality to go to college if he doesnt want to? Not everyone wants to go to college. College doesnt offer degrees in basketball either. Provide developmental options for those guys. I don't like the one and done situations, and would hope those guys just go to the D-league, overseas or straight to the NBA.

Yeah it's long overdue. The NBA just took way too long into developing the D/G League into what it should have been all along; a true minor league that allows players to move back and forth between the two leagues so they can continue their development.

I am old fashion. I think if a kids signs a NLI to play basketball, for a school, he or she should be required to honor that commitment unless the coach is fired or leaves for greener pastures. All this transferring becasue I made a poor decision and didn't know that I was going to ride the bench for 2 seasons before I get to play is a bunch of BS. That said, if a kid is coming out of HS and wants to go straight to the NBA or WNBA more power to them.

I agree that if a kid signs a NLI he should honor it (maybe for more than one season). But if he only cares to pursue a basketball career, then why make him go to college? If he has the skills, then go straight to the NBA or the D/G league. And just because a kid doesnt have the grades to go to college, that shouldn't mean he loses out on a chance at the NBA either. So he could go 1 and done in the D/G league, or let a team take out a 1 year contract on him or something. Age shouldn't matter. If a team wants to sign a 16 y/o, let them. Its their money, and their risk. Movies hire actors at that age and younger, why not sports teams.

(02-22-2019 10:12 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  I am old fashion. I think if a kids signs a NLI to play basketball, for a school, he or she should be required to honor that commitment unless the coach is fired or leaves for greener pastures. All this transferring becasue I made a poor decision and didn't know that I was going to ride the bench for 2 seasons before I get to play is a bunch of BS.

I assume you're also pushing for scholarships to be guaranteed for the full four/five year term of the athletes education? Because they aren't, they are renewable annually.

And a good amount of the kids who are transferring are told by the coaching staff they should look at other opportunities.

(02-22-2019 09:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:03 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

I have no problem with this. If a kid wants to play in the NBA, and he's good enough, let him do so. I also like the D-league. Why force a kid who has the potential to be NBA quality to go to college if he doesnt want to? Not everyone wants to go to college. College doesnt offer degrees in basketball either. Provide developmental options for those guys. I don't like the one and done situations, and would hope those guys just go to the D-league, overseas or straight to the NBA.

Why not? I wonder what would happen to recruiting if we offered a degree in basketball (coaching?)? Maybe not a bad idea. Certainly a more legitimate and in demand career field than many of the degrees we do offer. It doesn't have to be easy either. Aside from basketball theory/strategy, statistics, management/leadership, physical therapy/anatomy, etc. could all be requisites. Let's be honest, I have followed ODU basketball for 16 years and we have had 1 player make the NBA. While Europe can be a nice career for 10 years, most of these kids that don't make it to the NBA want to stick with basketball one way or another and the ones that do play in Europe aren't making enough to retire when it's over.

Who cares about the NBA.

(02-22-2019 10:46 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:03 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

I have no problem with this. If a kid wants to play in the NBA, and he's good enough, let him do so. I also like the D-league. Why force a kid who has the potential to be NBA quality to go to college if he doesnt want to? Not everyone wants to go to college. College doesnt offer degrees in basketball either. Provide developmental options for those guys. I don't like the one and done situations, and would hope those guys just go to the D-league, overseas or straight to the NBA.

Why not? I wonder what would happen to recruiting if we offered a degree in basketball (coaching?)? Maybe not a bad idea. Certainly a more legitimate and in demand career field than many of the degrees we do offer. It doesn't have to be easy either. Aside from basketball theory/strategy, statistics, management/leadership, physical therapy/anatomy, etc. could all be requisites. Let's be honest, I have followed ODU basketball for 16 years and we have had 1 player make the NBA. While Europe can be a nice career for 10 years, most of these kids that don't make it to the NBA want to stick with basketball one way or another and the ones that do play in Europe aren't making enough to retire when it's over.

Seems like that could be an area of emphasis within a physical education degree. I don't think you should be able to major in a sport.

(02-22-2019 11:14 AM)ODU804 Wrote:  Who cares about the NBA.

Recruits.

(02-22-2019 10:36 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 10:12 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  I am old fashion. I think if a kids signs a NLI to play basketball, for a school, he or she should be required to honor that commitment unless the coach is fired or leaves for greener pastures. All this transferring becasue I made a poor decision and didn't know that I was going to ride the bench for 2 seasons before I get to play is a bunch of BS.

I assume you're also pushing for scholarships to be guaranteed for the full four/five year term of the athletes education? Because they aren't, they are renewable annually.

And a good amount of the kids who are transferring are told by the coaching staff they should look at other opportunities.

True, the honoring degree sounds great, but coaches lie like crazy to these kids to get them in the door. They are 17 year old kids trusting grown ass men.

Best thing that could happen to NCAA Basketball ! 1 and done players brings out so many bad intentions and actions by coaches and donors.

(02-22-2019 10:36 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 10:12 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  I am old fashion. I think if a kids signs a NLI to play basketball, for a school, he or she should be required to honor that commitment unless the coach is fired or leaves for greener pastures. All this transferring becasue I made a poor decision and didn't know that I was going to ride the bench for 2 seasons before I get to play is a bunch of BS.

I assume you're also pushing for scholarships to be guaranteed for the full four/five year term of the athletes education? Because they aren't, they are renewable annually.

And a good amount of the kids who are transferring are told by the coaching staff they should look at other opportunities.

I think that makes sense, it should be a commitment both ways. But i guess that doesn't help a coach that is hired last minute or that is hired to rebuild a team. But I don't think kids should be shown the door simply because the coach wants to bring in better players. Both coaches and players need to look at their relationships as long term commitments. I know that fly's in the face of the what have you done for me lately viewpoint of college athletics these days. Dynasties are not crated in a year or two, they are crafted slowly over time.

(02-22-2019 11:23 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Best thing that could happen to NCAA Basketball ! 1 and done players brings out so many bad intentions and actions by coaches and donors.

You think donors will act any differently?

The 1 and done players were only a small portion of recruits each year. Now they'll all go pro (maybe not always straight to NBA, but maybe D/G/ or overseas). With the age limit rescinded a lot of other kids might go D/G now. But Donor money will still go to recruits to enhance their schools. The next tier below the 1 and done players will be enticed to either get their money above board going D/G or under the table via college donors.

(02-22-2019 09:17 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:03 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

I have no problem with this. If a kid wants to play in the NBA, and he's good enough, let him do so. I also like the D-league. Why force a kid who has the potential to be NBA quality to go to college if he doesnt want to? Not everyone wants to go to college. College doesnt offer degrees in basketball either. Provide developmental options for those guys. I don't like the one and done situations, and would hope those guys just go to the D-league, overseas or straight to the NBA.

Yeah it's long overdue. The NBA just took way too long into developing the D/G League into what it should have been all along; a true minor league that allows players to move back and forth between the two leagues so they can continue their development.

The G league doesn't really allow players to move back and forth, unless you're a 2 way player and then I think they can only be with the NBA team for 45 days. And 2 way contracts are reserved for guys with 4 years or less of experience.

There are really three types of players in the G league:
1) those who have a real shot of making it to the league (these are the guys who are getting the 2 way contracts)
2) those who may get a 10 day here or there (keep in mind that teams are limited to how many 10 day contacts a player can have before they have to sign him to a real contact OR release his rights)
3) those who will never have a chance at playing in the league

I think what needs to happen is that NBA scouts should be allowed to give honest feedback to up and coming high school seniors. A guy like Zion doesn't need to be in college, with the exception of the social aspect and being on a college campus, his game isn't getting any better.

If the NBA were allowed to indicate who (talking about potential one and done only) would be drafted and where they would most likely fall, those who need to go to college would hopefully go that route, while those who don't need college could declare for the draft

(02-22-2019 02:54 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:17 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-22-2019 09:03 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

I have no problem with this. If a kid wants to play in the NBA, and he's good enough, let him do so. I also like the D-league. Why force a kid who has the potential to be NBA quality to go to college if he doesnt want to? Not everyone wants to go to college. College doesnt offer degrees in basketball either. Provide developmental options for those guys. I don't like the one and done situations, and would hope those guys just go to the D-league, overseas or straight to the NBA.

Yeah it's long overdue. The NBA just took way too long into developing the D/G League into what it should have been all along; a true minor league that allows players to move back and forth between the two leagues so they can continue their development.

The G league doesn't really allow players to move back and forth, unless you're a 2 way player and then I think they can only be with the NBA team for 45 days. And 2 way contracts are reserved for guys with 4 years or less of experience.

There are really three types of players in the G league:
1) those who have a real shot of making it to the league (these are the guys who are getting the 2 way contracts)
2) those who may get a 10 day here or there (keep in mind that teams are limited to how many 10 day contacts a player can have before they have to sign him to a real contact OR release his rights)
3) those who will never have a chance at playing in the league

I think what needs to happen is that NBA scouts should be allowed to give honest feedback to up and coming high school seniors. A guy like Zion doesn't need to be in college, with the exception of the social aspect and being on a college campus, his game isn't getting any better.

If the NBA were allowed to indicate who (talking about potential one and done only) would be drafted and where they would most likely fall, those who need to go to college would hopefully go that route, while those who don't need college could declare for the draft

I was talking about two way players, which is something they didn't have before the age rule was last changed. Those high schoolers either sank or swam. They didn't have time to figure out in the G League.

And those three types of G League players cover pretty much every type of minor league baseball and hockey player. There are pros who need a little development or a rehab stint, there are career minor leaguers and there are those who get a cup of coffee. The current G League is the closest we have ever been to having a true minor league for the NBA.

And yes, each high school player should be allowed a draft eval without risking college eligibility.