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Today's Tribune has a few paragraphs lumped together with the state FCS schools under its "State Roundup" in a partial column. It's good that the Trib is honoring its tradition of such great coverage of NIU.


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(10-22-2017 09:12 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Today's Tribune has a few paragraphs lumped together with the state FCS schools under its "State Roundup" in a partial column. It's good that the Trib is honoring its tradition of such great coverage of NIU.


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Shhhh, you're going to upset UINIU with comments like that. No truth allowed here.
10-22-2017 09:46 AM
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(10-22-2017 09:46 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(10-22-2017 09:12 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Today's Tribune has a few paragraphs lumped together with the state FCS schools under its "State Roundup" in a partial column. It's good that the Trib is honoring its tradition of such great coverage of NIU.
You're going to upset UINIU with comments like that. No truth allowed here.

What's upsetting is when people don't understand the difference between reality and truth. In a different thread NIU007 you complained about the Trib's lack of coverage without understanding anything about the reality of the newspaper business: declining circulation means budget cuts means staff cuts and lesser space, so new criteria for determining what gets covered and how much space.
Here's the truth 007, in Saturday's Tribune on page six there are four college football previews using school logos: Northwestern, Northern Illinois, Illinois and Notre Dame. The same format, style, length is used for all four.
In Sunday's Tribune, pages 7-9 are college football. Notre Dame beating USC is on seven; on page 8, the headline: Huskies cruise behind Childers tops the state round-up with the Associate Press story from Bowling Green followed by half or less paragraphs on the state's FCS schools. On page 9 is an Associated Press story on Illinois losing to Minnesota and Northwestern grad Teddy Greenstein paying homage to his alma mater (what else do you expect?).
So the Tribune coverage you and Dog Fan are mocking is a sign of the times, not some anti-NIU agenda. The vaunted ILL-ness playing another B1G foe under the direction of what many on here label the "ego-driven boat-rower" and Tribune golden boy didn't merit having a reporter on the road same as the Huskies. Wow. Clearly a bias as opposed to the economics of staff and budget.
Granted Dog Fan didn't mention the Saturday previews and he described Sunday as "a few paragraphs lumped together with the state FCS schools" instead of saying NIU headlined the state round-up. Of course you stopped subscribing to the Tribune and as you said in that other thread: "I go online to get sports news. This site, or ESPN or CBSsports.com or similar."
Just curious what was the "similar" where you got to read more details, quotes and statistical analysis? See I checked ESPN and CBSsports.com and guess what, they used the same exact Associated Press story (from first to last paragraph) that ran in the Tribune.
We all -- myself included -- wish there was more coverage in the Trib, Sun-Times, Daily Herald, Rockford Register-Star, etc., but since so many folks today only have the attention span of a tweet and expect to get what they want for free, the fate of newspapers which once provided that in depth coverage is disappearing faster than the truth of reality on The Dog Pound.
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(10-22-2017 03:40 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  
(10-22-2017 09:46 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(10-22-2017 09:12 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Today's Tribune has a few paragraphs lumped together with the state FCS schools under its "State Roundup" in a partial column. It's good that the Trib is honoring its tradition of such great coverage of NIU.
You're going to upset UINIU with comments like that. No truth allowed here.

What's upsetting is when people don't understand the difference between reality and truth. In a different thread NIU007 you complained about the Trib's lack of coverage without understanding anything about the reality of the newspaper business: declining circulation means budget cuts means staff cuts and lesser space, so new criteria for determining what gets covered and how much space.
Here's the truth 007, in Saturday's Tribune on page six there are four college football previews using school logos: Northwestern, Northern Illinois, Illinois and Notre Dame. The same format, style, length is used for all four.
In Sunday's Tribune, pages 7-9 are college football. Notre Dame beating USC is on seven; on page 8, the headline: Huskies cruise behind Childers tops the state round-up with the Associate Press story from Bowling Green followed by half or less paragraphs on the state's FCS schools. On page 9 is an Associated Press story on Illinois losing to Minnesota and Northwestern grad Teddy Greenstein paying homage to his alma mater (what else do you expect?).
So the Tribune coverage you and Dog Fan are mocking is a sign of the times, not some anti-NIU agenda. The vaunted ILL-ness playing another B1G foe under the direction of what many on here label the "ego-driven boat-rower" and Tribune golden boy didn't merit having a reporter on the road same as the Huskies. Wow. Clearly a bias as opposed to the economics of staff and budget.
Granted Dog Fan didn't mention the Saturday previews and he described Sunday as "a few paragraphs lumped together with the state FCS schools" instead of saying NIU headlined the state round-up. Of course you stopped subscribing to the Tribune and as you said in that other thread: "I go online to get sports news. This site, or ESPN or CBSsports.com or similar."
Just curious what was the "similar" where you got to read more details, quotes and statistical analysis? See I checked ESPN and CBSsports.com and guess what, they used the same exact Associated Press story (from first to last paragraph) that ran in the Tribune.
We all -- myself included -- wish there was more coverage in the Trib, Sun-Times, Daily Herald, Rockford Register-Star, etc., but since so many folks today only have the attention span of a tweet and expect to get what they want for free, the fate of newspapers which once provided that in depth coverage is disappearing faster than the truth of reality on The Dog Pound.

It doesn't matter if lack of coverage is due to an anti-NIU bias. Lack of coverage is lack of coverage. And they do cover NIU some of the time. When it's convenient and there is space. That has been going on for a long time, this is not a recent budget-crisis change to the coverage. The Sun-Times is definitely worse though.
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(10-22-2017 07:40 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Lack of coverage is lack of coverage. And they do cover NIU some of the time. When it's convenient and there is space. That has been going on for a long time, this is not a recent budget-crisis change to the coverage. The Sun-Times is definitely worse though.

You joined The Dog Pound in 2004, so no idea how much earlier you began to pay attention to NIU's coverage, but I promise you as someone who has worked in sports media for 30-plus years, it has changed and gotten worse because of cuts in budget, staff, etc. Older folks on here can remember when top writers like Bill Jauss or Len Ziehm covered NIU, sometimes even on the road.
So yes, coverage is dictated by reasons other than convenience and space.
The reality is that ESPN, CBSSports.com and online outlets don't even bother to employ freelancers, but use the same Associated Press stories that the Trib runs. Yes the Sun-Times' coverage of anything beyond Chicago pro teams is definitely worse and it won't be long before the Sun-Times ceases.
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