(08-02-2017 02:19 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 01:37 PM)geef Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 10:23 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  And good luck to Georgetown on being invited to anymore "elite" tournaments.

Outside of Villanova, the Big East is an embarrassment.

I don't get your use of the word embarrassment. Embarrassment to who exactly? Are you embarrassed by them? Or is that your way of trying to say the conference isn't very good? Because if you're using any conference outside of the ACC as a baseline, it's untrue. In four years of the new Big East, they've received 4, 6, 5, and 7 bids. That's an average of 55% of their teams getting into the dance over the history of the current configuration. I would take that percentage all day for the American.

They underperform in the tournament every year outside of Nova. And until Nova won it all, they notoriously got bounced early as 1 and 2 seeds. Which further delves into my point that they build up "good wins" against each other, gets overly rewarded with bids to the tournament and then flame out before their seed line says they're supppsed to. In the history of the NBE, seldom has a team overperformed its seed and more times than not, flails out early.

Villanova and to a lesser extent Georgetown and Butler are the only schools that legitimize that league. Everybody else is coatriding trash.

You conveniently forgot the one school that has been better than all, save Villanova. Xavier has won 6 NCAA tourney games in the last three years, and advanced to the Elite 8 last year. Again, I would gladly take the Big East's bids and relative success in the tournament compared to what the American has shown.

(08-02-2017 02:27 PM)geef Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 02:19 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 01:37 PM)geef Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 10:23 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  And good luck to Georgetown on being invited to anymore "elite" tournaments.

Outside of Villanova, the Big East is an embarrassment.

I don't get your use of the word embarrassment. Embarrassment to who exactly? Are you embarrassed by them? Or is that your way of trying to say the conference isn't very good? Because if you're using any conference outside of the ACC as a baseline, it's untrue. In four years of the new Big East, they've received 4, 6, 5, and 7 bids. That's an average of 55% of their teams getting into the dance over the history of the current configuration. I would take that percentage all day for the American.

They underperform in the tournament every year outside of Nova. And until Nova won it all, they notoriously got bounced early as 1 and 2 seeds. Which further delves into my point that they build up "good wins" against each other, gets overly rewarded with bids to the tournament and then flame out before their seed line says they're supppsed to. In the history of the NBE, seldom has a team overperformed its seed and more times than not, flails out early.

Villanova and to a lesser extent Georgetown and Butler are the only schools that legitimize that league. Everybody else is coatriding trash.

You conveniently forgot the one school that has been better than all, save Villanova. Xavier has won 6 NCAA tourney games in the last three years, and advanced to the Elite 8 last year. Again, I would gladly take the Big East's bids and relative success in the tournament compared to what the American has shown.

Totally agree. The new Big East has greatly exceeded expectations by any countable metric. Do they have some flame outs, yes, but afterall they have Creighton in their conference so that was always expected. But 55% of their membership, 7 out of 10 last year, a national champion two years ago. I think the AAC membership is at least comparable on paper to the new Big East, but in terms of accomplishment, outside of UConn's run, the AAC is currently striving to get even remotely close to the new Big East. I do have faith we'll even it up pretty soon.

Georgetown is killing their program.

PC students/faculty aren't helping.

Considering Georgetown's OOC schedule hasn't even been released yet, this really looks bad. On the other board, I questioned whether this was the Reed's/Ewing's/Thompson's decision. Even when Indiana, under Crean's first few years, had NOTHING, they still competed at Maui and the Jimmy V Classic (with some very tough OOC matchups against Kentucky yearly, BC, Gonzaga and a few other top quality games).

While I am firmly in the camp that this move reflects poorly on Georgetown (and the Big East, considering it will affect RPI and SOS), anyone calling the Big East an embarrassment is either ignorant or uniformed. I realize that is not the prevalent thought on here, but I had to reference that.

UConn will be better this year. Wichita will immensely improve perception. SMU and Houston look strong. Cincinnati consistently is near the top. Things are looking good for the AAC this year. Good luck in basketball (except when you play BE teams!).