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RE: Princeton Review
(08-02-2017 02:41 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  A historic irony is that it was bigotry and prejudice in the northeast that put southern schools like Tulane and Emory on the national map in the first place.

Please explain your thought progress/evidence for that statement, George.
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(08-02-2017 12:55 PM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 11:10 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  The difference is that most non-southern liberals feel justified in doing it...

Most?

Harumph, I resemble your implication sir!

LOL - typing without thinking. You got me

some, a few, the 'stereotype' - - admittedly, not most

My bad. Mea culpa.
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RE: Princeton Review
(08-02-2017 04:49 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 02:41 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  A historic irony is that it was bigotry and prejudice in the northeast that put southern schools like Tulane and Emory on the national map in the first place.

Please explain your thought progress/evidence for that statement, George.

For about half the 20th century, Ivy League universities had disguised or unofficial quotas on the number of Jewish students they would admit, so many Jewish applicants from that region looked to private universities in the south and midwest. As a result, schools like Tulane, Emory, Wash U and others became known for attracting Jewish students from all over the country.

To be honest, I thought this history was quite well-known.
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RE: Princeton Review
(08-02-2017 06:24 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 04:49 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 02:41 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  A historic irony is that it was bigotry and prejudice in the northeast that put southern schools like Tulane and Emory on the national map in the first place.

Please explain your thought progress/evidence for that statement, George.

For about half the 20th century, Ivy League universities had disguised or unofficial quotas on the number of Jewish students they would admit, so many Jewish applicants from that region looked to private universities in the south and midwest. As a result, schools like Tulane, Emory, Wash U and others became known for attracting Jewish students from all over the country.

To be honest, I thought this history was quite well-known.

Interesting. Nowadays, at least at Tulane, it is the party atmosphere that attracts the northeasterners who aren't quite smart enough for the Ivy Leagues.
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RE: Princeton Review
(08-02-2017 06:24 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 04:49 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 02:41 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  A historic irony is that it was bigotry and prejudice in the northeast that put southern schools like Tulane and Emory on the national map in the first place.

Please explain your thought progress/evidence for that statement, George.

For about half the 20th century, Ivy League universities had disguised or unofficial quotas on the number of Jewish students they would admit, so many Jewish applicants from that region looked to private universities in the south and midwest. As a result, schools like Tulane, Emory, Wash U and others became known for attracting Jewish students from all over the country.

To be honest, I thought this history was quite well-known.

George, while you are correct on the Ivies having quotas for NY metro area jewish applicants (and I was a victim of that at Dartmouth which led to my attending Rice, though I did get into a couple other Ivies), that reflects on the actions of elite academic institutions, and not "the bigotry and prejudice" of Northeasterners. Second, while I'm certainly not defending those past actions of the Ivies, one could argue rather convincingly that it was done not so much out of any prejudice or discrimination, but out of a sincere desire to seek broad diversity in the student body. Back in the 1960 - '70's, the Ivies could have very easily filled up the majority of their enrollment with qualified NY Metro area jewish applicants.
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(08-01-2017 05:07 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  BTW, we currently do have Dan Rather's grandchild on campus.

Is he in the computer science department studying electronic fonts?
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(08-01-2017 05:47 PM)Bailiff_Lingo_Bingo Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 05:26 PM)davidw Wrote:  why would they not want to go to school in Texas ?

are people not aware of the national perception of Texas/the South, esp. among high-achieving kids?

The perception of Texas in Silicon Valley (for the decade and half I was there) was that overall it is amazing that Texans can walk and chew tobacco at the same time. And they are not shy about verbalizing that.

Rice has a surprisingly decently good and widely known reputation --- but as for Texas in general a hayseed bowlegged gun-toting hick is on the generous side for the perception of those there.
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(08-02-2017 10:14 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  And with regards to politics and social issues, I have learned to be VERY mindful of what I say and, even with that, I inevitably get brought into such uncomfortable discussions more frequently than I'd like. That's reality.

The same goes for anyone with anything of a libertarian streak (or HORRORS!!! a conservative streak) in Silicon Valley. It is better just to tell them you have syphillis than disagree with the liberal bubble there.

So.... in a pithy way..... potayto, pohtahto
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FWIW my high school in the Boston area, that sent 5 guys from my class to Harvard, had far more racism than anything I've ever seen at Rice.

Now, I've heard Boston is a racist city too.. So I would think that a school like Rice in the racist south would do well there.
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Celebrity kids aren't applying to Harvey Mudd either, for probably the same reasons. Lesser name recognition. SE emphasis (less for Rice, but still there) = more work in a lot of minds. Also, most kids are looking at college as a springboard to their professional lives. A president's daughter or already-famous child star doesn't have to worry about that so much. I imagine they're looking for a big name and a fun, easy four years.

I don't think Texas probably has much to do with it. Maybe a little, but - once again - HM is in LA. I don't see CMU pulling loads of celebrities either. From my perspective (growing up in Minnesota), TX was a plus. Yeah, there are some negative stereotypes of TX in MN, but I can give you negative impressions people here have of Boston, SF, Florida, NY, Ames-IA, Portland, or any other place too. Hard to believe, but I've even heard some people aren't enthralled with the idea of going to school in MN. I thought going to Texas would be fun, especially a major city like Houston ... and I was right. Hey, you can't please everyone.
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(08-02-2017 07:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  [quote='waltgreenberg' pid='14476605' dateline='1501625232']
BTW, we currently do have Dan Rather's grandchild on campus.

For you youngsters out there, Dan Rather came to fame through his live coverage of Hurricane Carla in 1961







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(08-02-2017 07:06 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 06:24 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 04:49 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 02:41 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  A historic irony is that it was bigotry and prejudice in the northeast that put southern schools like Tulane and Emory on the national map in the first place.

Please explain your thought progress/evidence for that statement, George.

For about half the 20th century, Ivy League universities had disguised or unofficial quotas on the number of Jewish students they would admit, so many Jewish applicants from that region looked to private universities in the south and midwest. As a result, schools like Tulane, Emory, Wash U and others became known for attracting Jewish students from all over the country.

To be honest, I thought this history was quite well-known.

George, while you are correct on the Ivies having quotas for NY metro area jewish applicants (and I was a victim of that at Dartmouth which led to my attending Rice, though I did get into a couple other Ivies), that reflects on the actions of elite academic institutions, and not "the bigotry and prejudice" of Northeasterners.

I said "bigotry and prejudice in the northeast."

(08-02-2017 07:06 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Second, while I'm certainly not defending those past actions of the Ivies, one could argue rather convincingly that it was done not so much out of any prejudice or discrimination, but out of a sincere desire to seek broad diversity in the student body.

Wow.
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(08-02-2017 10:14 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  And with regards to politics and social issues, I have learned to be VERY mindful of what I say and, even with that, I inevitably get brought into such uncomfortable discussions more frequently than I'd like.

But you're not particularly mindful of what you say: you wear your prejudices on your sleeve!
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(08-03-2017 11:10 AM)MrMxyzptlk Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 07:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  [quote='waltgreenberg' pid='14476605' dateline='1501625232']
BTW, we currently do have Dan Rather's grandchild on campus.

For you youngsters out there, Dan Rather came to fame through his live coverage of Hurricane Carla in 1961








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(08-03-2017 01:37 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 10:14 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  And with regards to politics and social issues, I have learned to be VERY mindful of what I say and, even with that, I inevitably get brought into such uncomfortable discussions more frequently than I'd like.

But you're not particularly mindful of what you say: you wear your prejudices on your sleeve!

Seriously? When on the Parliament and down in Houston I must definitely am mindful of what I say. And YOU read into everything anyone says and does.
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(08-03-2017 03:14 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  And YOU read into everything anyone says and does.

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Walt seems to keep his liberal views under semi-wraps on the Parliament but if you ever browse his Twitter page....well.....lol.

But hey, it's a free country. Lib out baby!

I don't partake in his views but I respect his right to have them.
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RE: Princeton Review
(08-03-2017 03:14 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(08-03-2017 01:37 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 10:14 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  And with regards to politics and social issues, I have learned to be VERY mindful of what I say and, even with that, I inevitably get brought into such uncomfortable discussions more frequently than I'd like.

But you're not particularly mindful of what you say: you wear your prejudices on your sleeve!

Seriously? When on the Parliament and down in Houston I must definitely am mindful of what I say. And YOU read into everything anyone says and does.

One time, a long time ago, Walt and I did get into a political discussion. None since then.

George, OTOH, I tend to agree with more often than not, but one time we did find ourselves on opposite sides of a question.

In both cases, it was like trying to persuade a bulldog to give up a steak.

You have to admire both men for the passion of their beliefs.
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