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RE: SI: Creation of AAC is one of the 10 Best Decisions of College Football
(07-31-2017 10:30 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:17 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 09:01 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Nothing new in fanhood's comment. I will again point out that the carefully crafted "mwc is 6-5 against the AAC since 2013" omits Navy's 5-1 record against the mwc in 2013-2014.

Funniest bit to me was "If these bowl games are so-called exhibitions then I guess your regular season conquests against other conferences would fall under that category as well" ummm, no, bowl games are exhibitions by definition.

Overall it shows the whole pattern
- "Nobody thinks the AAC is any good except crazy AAC message board posters."
- When shown national media P6-love, "Well they're actually just the same as we G4s, there's no separation"
- When shown data supporting that there is separation in on-field, viewership, budgets, attendance, etc "Well it's cyclical"
- When shown that it's not cyclical at all, "But, but, but, BOWL RECORD!!!"

Fanhood just brought out his "Yea but" reply. So predictable. So lame. So inaccurate. So funny. 03-lmfao


Fanhood going to fanhood, at least he is consitant even on his board.

Notice he breaks down when confronted and is now arguing for us to admit that the conferences are competitive and just let it go. . .

Hey elsa, it isn't really close

Right - that's the second stage above.
He in fact is well into the third stage of cyclical. I'll repost here the meat of my address to that from another thread:
Looking at Massey Composite Rankings, conferences' average team rating...
AAC was sixth best 3 of those 4 years.
In 2015, AAC was closer to the lowest P5 than AAC was to ALL the G4s.
In 2016, AAC was closer to the lowest P5 than AAC was to 3 of the four G4s, mwc was keeping us in sight but still over half that delta.
In the year that we were not sixth, coming from eighth, we were closer to the 6th place mwc than the mwc has ever been to a sixth place AAC.
Granted four years is a small sample size, but there is no way that can be interpreted as "cyclical." There is a trendline of the AAC head and shoulders over 3 of the G4s and separating. The AAC is definitely consistently significantly ahead of the mwc - this year will tell the tale of whether that trendline includes all four or if you can maintain what is truly your only statistically defensible argument -- the mwc is the tallest midget of the G4s and might keep the P6 in sight, but will still be far behind when the next tectonic shift comes to college football by 2025.
So not cyclical.
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RE: SI: Creation of AAC is one of the 10 Best Decisions of College Football
(07-31-2017 12:30 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Tulsa beat 3 MW teams in the last two years. We can't be the only ones???

your the only ones who play them.. remove the bwol games and you make up 60% of the games we played with them.. and note houston played unlv 2 years ago but that was an emergency game because rice backed out last minute
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(07-31-2017 12:30 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Tulsa beat 3 MW teams in the last two years. We can't be the only ones???

Navy 1-1 last two years.

Since 2013, current AAC teams (i.e. add in Navy's 13-14 record) are 10-7 vs mwc
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RE: SI: Creation of AAC is one of the 10 Best Decisions of College Football
OMG!

Somebody on the MW Board just sent me a PM that my ears should be ringing as I am being talked about on this thread. Classic!

Well, I promised I would stay away until September, and I am a man of my word. Just wanted to "drive by." Boarding a flight, life will be busy for a few weeks. Looking forward to the future "yea buts" come September.

Take care, my friends.
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RE: SI: Creation of AAC is one of the 10 Best Decisions of College Football
(07-31-2017 10:36 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:33 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I wonder at what point Boise St. and SDSU would reconsider joining AAC. I think they would, if MWC TV deal stays stagnant, and the AAC gets a big raise.

What number you think? $5 Mil?

If we get over 5 mil we don't need em. I see no advantage in bringing them in.
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RE: SI: Creation of AAC is one of the 10 Best Decisions of College Football
(07-31-2017 01:14 PM)fanhood Wrote:  OMG!

Somebody on the MW Board just sent me a PM that my ears should be ringing as I am being talked about on this thread. Classic!

Well, I promised I would stay away until September, and I am a man of my word. Just wanted to "drive by." Boarding a flight, life will be busy for a few weeks. Looking forward to the future "yea buts" come September.

Take care, my friends.

Bye. Enjoy your loser conference..
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RE: SI: Creation of AAC is one of the 10 Best Decisions of College Football
(07-31-2017 01:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:36 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:33 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I wonder at what point Boise St. and SDSU would reconsider joining AAC. I think they would, if MWC TV deal stays stagnant, and the AAC gets a big raise.

What number you think? $5 Mil?

If we get over 5 mil we don't need em. I see no advantage in bringing them in.

We can say no. I just wanna see them beg...
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RE: SI: Creation of AAC is one of the 10 Best Decisions of College Football
(07-31-2017 01:14 PM)fanhood Wrote:  OMG!

Somebody on the MW Board just sent me a PM that my ears should be ringing as I am being talked about on this thread. Classic!

Well, I promised I would stay away until September, and I am a man of my word. Just wanted to "drive by." Boarding a flight, life will be busy for a few weeks. Looking forward to the future "yea buts" come September.

Take care, my friends.

Travel safely.

Y'know, if you stay away until mid-October, those three AAC-mwc games will be completed. Just sayin'.
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(07-31-2017 09:32 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 09:21 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I'm a Boise St fan and I agree the American is a great conference. I have said this before but I wish we would've accepted the offer. It was bad timing for the invite, in my opinion, but we weren't looking forward. I would love to be part of a Western wing.

The American has terrific markets, solid football and basketball, and name brands. The best of the Mountain West (and BYU - get over yourselves) should join the American.

West: Boise St, San Diego St, UNLV, BYU, Colorado St, Air Force
Central: Navy, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis
East: East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut

EDIT: I want to clarify that UNLV was added for market purposes.

I'm good with this group. Add Gonzaga non-football (West) and VCU non-football (East) to balance out Wichita in the Central.

Yes to this^.

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RE: SI: Creation of AAC is one of the 10 Best Decisions of College Football
(07-31-2017 01:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:36 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:33 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I wonder at what point Boise St. and SDSU would reconsider joining AAC. I think they would, if MWC TV deal stays stagnant, and the AAC gets a big raise.

What number you think? $5 Mil?

If we get over 5 mil we don't need em. I see no advantage in bringing them in.

You destroy any semblance of competition. The P6 G4 separation becomes too great for the MWC, and it also adds insurance if we lose 2 teams to the Big 12.

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RE: SI: Creation of AAC is one of the 10 Best Decisions of College Football
(07-31-2017 01:14 PM)fanhood Wrote:  OMG!

Somebody on the MW Board just sent me a PM that my ears should be ringing as I am being talked about on this thread. Classic!

Well, I promised I would stay away until September, and I am a man of my word. Just wanted to "drive by." Boarding a flight, life will be busy for a few weeks. Looking forward to the future "yea buts" come September.

Take care, my friends.

Are you taking notes from trump?

By stopping by to post that you are going to keep your word and stay away till september, you are literally breaking your word. . .

Didnt you start by trying to say your emotions aren't reality?

Do these two points help you realize now why we dont take your arguments seriously? Not only are they clearly emotional responses mostly devoid of reality (aka biased) but they are contradictory and filled with bad logic or logical fallacies, often citing partial facts or skewed statistics.

I do have a question for you, that I hope you will answer truthfully. . . How much do cherry pickers make these days? Is it better than what BC#1 makes at the Dairy Whip?

Pony offered me a supervisor position at the new location in Tulsa (when we get the gazebo rebuilt from BC#1's jealousy inspired arson) But he told me that if I make more than BC#1 then its likely Tulsa's gazebo may meet another tragic end.

Kind of a "Nice gazebo you have there, be a shame if something happened to it" type thing. We are getting insurance for it this time but it takes weeks to rebuild and football season starts soon.
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RE: SI: Creation of AAC is one of the 10 Best Decisions of College Football
(07-31-2017 03:44 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 01:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:36 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:33 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I wonder at what point Boise St. and SDSU would reconsider joining AAC. I think they would, if MWC TV deal stays stagnant, and the AAC gets a big raise.

What number you think? $5 Mil?

If we get over 5 mil we don't need em. I see no advantage in bringing them in.

You destroy any semblance of competition. The P6 G4 separation becomes too great for the MWC, and it also adds insurance if we lose 2 teams to the Big 12.

If we get $5 million per school and then expand to 14 football members, that goes down to $4.3 million per school, a hefty cut.

Plus, even if we lose 2 to the Big 12, we can always backfill from lesser G5 anyway, the way we did in 2012.
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RE: SI: Creation of AAC is one of the 10 Best Decisions of College Football
(07-31-2017 05:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 03:44 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 01:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:36 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:33 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I wonder at what point Boise St. and SDSU would reconsider joining AAC. I think they would, if MWC TV deal stays stagnant, and the AAC gets a big raise.

What number you think? $5 Mil?

If we get over 5 mil we don't need em. I see no advantage in bringing them in.

You destroy any semblance of competition. The P6 G4 separation becomes too great for the MWC, and it also adds insurance if we lose 2 teams to the Big 12.

If we get $5 million per school and then expand to 14 football members, that goes down to $4.3 million per school, a hefty cut.

Plus, even if we lose 2 to the Big 12, we can always backfill from lesser G5 anyway, the way we did in 2012.

Yeah - we need to pay attention to the other big boys and not be so anxious to expand the number of pieces in the pie.

We are in for a shock when the TV deal gets renewed - and the MWC is in for an even bigger shock. If we get any amount above our current dollars it will be lucky. Some of the "other" P6 conferences will be seeing reductions.
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RE: SI: Creation of AAC is one of the 10 Best Decisions of College Football
(07-31-2017 05:39 PM)gostangs Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 05:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 03:44 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 01:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:36 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  What number you think? $5 Mil?

If we get over 5 mil we don't need em. I see no advantage in bringing them in.

You destroy any semblance of competition. The P6 G4 separation becomes too great for the MWC, and it also adds insurance if we lose 2 teams to the Big 12.

If we get $5 million per school and then expand to 14 football members, that goes down to $4.3 million per school, a hefty cut.

Plus, even if we lose 2 to the Big 12, we can always backfill from lesser G5 anyway, the way we did in 2012.

Yeah - we need to pay attention to the other big boys and not be so anxious to expand the number of pieces in the pie.

We are in for a shock when the TV deal gets renewed - and the MWC is in for an even bigger shock. If we get any amount above our current dollars it will be lucky. Some of the "other" P6 conferences will be seeing reductions.


You have no sound logical argument for that. Even if we agree the value has little change over the last contract, we were so badly under bid that a bump is inevitable. More importantly all indicators point to our value growing in reality and perception. The MW is getting what it was worth and with Boise being down their value has decreased not maintained or grown, hence the offer. Which is low naturally given its the opening position in a long negotiation.
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RE: SI: Creation of AAC is one of the 10 Best Decisions of College Football
If the AAC gets 5-6 million in next contract and the MWC stuck at 2 million. The AAC would be in a strong mood to backfill with them if raided by Big12.

But the Big12 won't be making any moves any time soon
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(07-31-2017 05:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 03:44 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 01:48 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:36 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 10:33 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I wonder at what point Boise St. and SDSU would reconsider joining AAC. I think they would, if MWC TV deal stays stagnant, and the AAC gets a big raise.

What number you think? $5 Mil?

If we get over 5 mil we don't need em. I see no advantage in bringing them in.

You destroy any semblance of competition. The P6 G4 separation becomes too great for the MWC, and it also adds insurance if we lose 2 teams to the Big 12.

If we get $5 million per school and then expand to 14 football members, that goes down to $4.3 million per school, a hefty cut.

Plus, even if we lose 2 to the Big 12, we can always backfill from lesser G5 anyway, the way we did in 2012.

If two teams were added, it would have to be done in the context of a new tv contract negotiation. I'm sure there is a network working hard to manipulate who goes where.
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(07-31-2017 09:21 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I'm a Boise St fan and I agree the American is a great conference. I have said this before but I wish we would've accepted the offer. It was bad timing for the invite, in my opinion, but we weren't looking forward. I would love to be part of a Western wing.

The American has terrific markets, solid football and basketball, and name brands. The best of the Mountain West (and BYU - get over yourselves) should join the American.

West: Boise St, San Diego St, UNLV, BYU, Colorado St, Air Force
Central: Navy, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis
East: East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut

EDIT: I want to clarify that UNLV was added for market purposes.

You did accept the offer. 07-coffee3
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(07-31-2017 09:32 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 09:21 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I'm a Boise St fan and I agree the American is a great conference. I have said this before but I wish we would've accepted the offer. It was bad timing for the invite, in my opinion, but we weren't looking forward. I would love to be part of a Western wing.

The American has terrific markets, solid football and basketball, and name brands. The best of the Mountain West (and BYU - get over yourselves) should join the American.

West: Boise St, San Diego St, UNLV, BYU, Colorado St, Air Force
Central: Navy, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis
East: East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut

EDIT: I want to clarify that UNLV was added for market purposes.

I'm good with this group. Add Gonzaga non-football (West) and VCU non-football (East) to balance out Wichita in the Central.

Make this happen and put these other conferences out of their misery.
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Until SDSU gets serious about football and makes an OCS happen, I just can't take them, or Fanhood's opinion on anything seriously
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(07-31-2017 08:59 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Congratulations! #AMERICANPOW6R seems to be working.


You're alright Hokie Mark. See you in September.

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