(07-30-2017 07:21 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 07:13 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 07:06 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-29-2017 07:16 PM)Aargh Wrote:  Landry Shamet broke a bone in his foot at an All-Star camp in Philadelphia. He's expected to be able to play by mid-November. The Maui torunament (with Michigan and Notre Dame) is November 20-22. Could be a rough start to WSU's season.

Shamet Scheduled For Surgery Monday

and the excuses have already started.....smh

What's the excuse for you being born?

that's all you got?! lol, mid major trolling from a fan of a mid major program

But yet you respond back in less than hour.

Southern Illinois posters would roll you.

(07-30-2017 08:19 PM)shock Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 07:13 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  When the best player in the league breaks his foot, it hurts the entire conference.


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FTFY

Can we let the guy play one AAC game before we proclaim him the best player in the league? Jalen Adams, Shake Milton, BJ Taylor and Rob Gray might have something to say about that.

(07-31-2017 07:22 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 08:19 PM)shock Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 07:13 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  When the best player in the league breaks his foot, it hurts the entire conference.


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FTFY

Can we let the guy play one AAC game before we proclaim him the best player in the league? Jalen Adams, Shake Milton, BJ Taylor and Rob Gray might have something to say about that.

Can't be the best player in a league you've never played in. Or with a broken foot.

(07-31-2017 07:22 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 08:19 PM)shock Wrote:  

(07-30-2017 07:13 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  When the best player in the league breaks his foot, it hurts the entire conference.


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FTFY

Can we let the guy play one AAC game before we proclaim him the best player in the league? Jalen Adams, Shake Milton, BJ Taylor and Rob Gray might have something to say about that.

Norlander, Parrish, and others proclaimed. Your guys may be better. At least they have 16 extra weeks to practice up, improve, and at least maintain their edge. It's a good thing Landry is a natural with a strong BBIQ.

Sorry to hear about Shamet. Not good for any conference stars to be hurt.

I just hope its an injury that doesn't linger all season.

We NEED WSU to be a top 15 program to elevate this league.

WSU Can't have the non conference they had last year where they essentially accomplished nothing and didn't pick up a single top 50 win.

They need to win Maui IMO

It's okay for them to go 2-1 in Maui IMO. Anything less would suck.

(07-31-2017 08:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Sorry to hear about Shamet. Not good for any conference stars to be hurt.

^^^ The model response to a conference preseason favorite's best player going down at a very inopportune time.

This is not really a trollable event. This has the potential to hurt the AAC even worse than us. We're gonna make the Dance by the end of the season; I'll give you that guarantee, but if we lay an egg in the OOC and then get our feet under us right at the moment conference play starts (a highly likely scenario when your starting PG goes down for 4 months) the RPI forest fire we'll start will make ECU's seem like a singed hair in comparison. Wichita State's benefit to the conference begins and ends with what they do out of conference. If we blow the preseason, and then dominate in conference, we could actually remove NCAA invites from the AAC rather than add them.

So my message to the trolls and trollettes is to get down on your knees and pray for the Shockers and Gregg Marshall first, and then Landry Shamet second - your season kinda depends on it.


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Pass. UCONN's upcoming season (like last season) depends on UCONN staying healthy, not Landry or WSU.

(07-31-2017 09:57 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Pass. UCONN's upcoming season (like last season) depends on UCONN staying healthy, not Landry or WSU.

You're going to pass on praying that we don't come into conference play with a 125 RPI and then proceed to sweep your team as well as just about everybody else? Different strokes I guess...

I'm not promising this is going to happen, but at this very moment, Wichita State is a potential hydrogen bomb to the AAC this year. When healthy we are a top 5 team in the country, but in OOC, we will be a top 40 (at best) without our starting star PG. We don't have any good replacements for him. Even Fred VanVleet took half of his freshman year until he got comfortable.

We are not winning Maui; we will be lucky to win against Cal. I don't know how much you guys know about basketball, but point guards are kinda important...


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UCONN's OOC schedule is good enough that if we do well, we'll have a solid tourney resume before the start of conference play. So ya...I care more about UCONN's health to start the season.

I'll save my Our Fathers and Hail Marys in the event that UCONN tanks OOC.

(07-31-2017 10:25 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  UCONN's OOC schedule is good enough that if we do well, we'll have a solid tourney resume before the start of conference play. So ya...I care more about UCONN's health to start the season.

I'll save my Our Fathers and Hail Marys in the event that UCONN tanks OOC.

Is this bad? Well yes.

Are we in the mvc? No

Has this league had multiple bids every year? Yes

This will not kill this conference even if (big if) WSU tanks its ooc. It will still be a multi bid conference. This will mean that our borderline teams have a much better chance of being on the outside looking in. A healthy WSU means 5 teams in, outside chance of six. With a bad ooc WSU its 3, maybe. Big difference between the two scenarios in prestige and money.

Now had WSU still been in the valley this would mean another year of holding on come arch madness. In this league they may still get in even without winning the auto bid. All of this is why we added them and why they wanted in.

(07-31-2017 09:52 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 08:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Sorry to hear about Shamet. Not good for any conference stars to be hurt.

^^^ The model response to a conference preseason favorite's best player going down at a very inopportune time.

This is not really a trollable event. This has the potential to hurt the AAC even worse than us. We're gonna make the Dance by the end of the season; I'll give you that guarantee, but if we lay an egg in the OOC and then get our feet under us right at the moment conference play starts (a highly likely scenario when your starting PG goes down for 4 months) the RPI forest fire we'll start will make ECU's seem like a singed hair in comparison. Wichita State's benefit to the conference begins and ends with what they do out of conference. If we blow the preseason, and then dominate in conference, we could actually remove NCAA invites from the AAC rather than add them.

So my message to the trolls and trollettes is to get down on your knees and pray for the Shockers and Gregg Marshall first, and then Landry Shamet second - your season kinda depends on it.


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See, this is where you lose people. In no way shape or form does the AAC depend on WSU for a successful season. Will a strong OOC from WSU help everyone in the AAC? Absolutely. Just like a successful OOC from Cincy, SMU, UConn, Temple, Memphis, Houston and everyone​ else. When healthy, WSU is the league favorite but your success does not make or break the league. This time last year UConn was a top 20 team and picked to win the league. They had a disastrous OOC and it probably cost us and Cincy a seed or two higher but in the end we still had a decent seed (6) and we controlled our own destiny. This year will be no different.

(07-31-2017 09:52 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 08:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Sorry to hear about Shamet. Not good for any conference stars to be hurt.

^^^ The model response to a conference preseason favorite's best player going down at a very inopportune time.

This is not really a trollable event. This has the potential to hurt the AAC even worse than us. We're gonna make the Dance by the end of the season; I'll give you that guarantee, but if we lay an egg in the OOC and then get our feet under us right at the moment conference play starts (a highly likely scenario when your starting PG goes down for 4 months) the RPI forest fire we'll start will make ECU's seem like a singed hair in comparison. Wichita State's benefit to the conference begins and ends with what they do out of conference. If we blow the preseason, and then dominate in conference, we could actually remove NCAA invites from the AAC rather than add them.

So my message to the trolls and trollettes is to get down on your knees and pray for the Shockers and Gregg Marshall first, and then Landry Shamet second - your season kinda depends on it.


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Dude, no way.

I get he's really ******* good but if losing 1 player has you fearing a scenario where your RPI could potentially fall off a cliff, then your program isn't as strong as we thought it was.

Really all we need is for WSU to be a top 30 RPI team. So no one is getting on their knees and praying for the Shockers, Gregg Marshall, or Landry Shamet because by all accounts WSU should be able to maintain top 30 RPI just rolling out of bed.

I guess a lot of you guys on here really don't know basketball...

You don't have a top 30 let alone top 10 team without an all-star-stud point guard. Fred VanVleet pulled his hamstring two years ago and we lost to Tulsa. Enough said...

The difference between a contender and a pretender hinges on your point guard.

You can lose a big man, you can't lose your point guard. Nobody in the country has two all-star point guards on their team so comments about us not being as strong as people thought we were are a total waste of gas. This isn't the NBA; every college team will drop way off when they lose their PG except on the very rare occasion where they have an unproven future star who is able to fill in immediately -unheard of.

AAC team fans unable to follow my logic is most likely due to their own experience with mediocrity. Mediocre teams can fill the PG spot by committee because it really doesn't matter. They aren't gonna break .500 regardless of what happens. But at the highest level, the PG spot is about as important as the coach.


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(07-31-2017 12:28 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I guess a lot of you guys on here really don't know basketball...

You don't have a top 30 let alone top 10 team without an all-star-stud point guard. Fred VanVleet pulled his hamstring two years ago and we lost to Tulsa. Enough said...

The difference between a contender and a pretender hinges on your point guard.

You can lose a big man, you can't lose your point guard. Nobody in the country has two all-star point guards on their team so comments about us not being as strong as people thought we were are a total waste of gas. This isn't the NBA; every college team will drop way off when they lose their PG except on the very rare occasion where they have an unproven future star who is able to fill in immediately -unheard of.

AAC team fans unable to follow my logic is most likely due to their own experience with mediocrity. Mediocre teams can fill the PG spot by committee because it really doesn't matter. They aren't gonna break .500 regardless of what happens. But at the highest level, the PG spot is about as important as the coach.


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I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one Cold. Shamet is very important to our team but I don't think he is as important to the team as VanVleet was in fall of 2015 (yet). We are also much deeper and much more experienced this year than when Fred went down in 2015. Not to mention Landry and Grady also went down during that stretch. We were spread thin and had a walk-on playing minutes for us at PG. This is a different team. I think with Shamet we are a top 5 team but without him we are still a top 30 team. I'm very confident in Reaves holding down the point. He doesn't have to score, he just has to make good decisions, and he's good at that. Also Samajae Haynes-Jones could provide some support at times.

I'm sure that you'll bring up last years non-con as an example of why we need Shamet at point, and I can't argue that switching him to point made a huge difference. However, last year in non-conference our team was trying to figure out how to play without two NBA players for the first time. Now they have. We're good enough and deep enough at every other position that as long as we have a serviceable point guard who takes care of the ball and makes good decisions, we'll be fine.

(07-31-2017 12:28 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I guess a lot of you guys on here really don't know basketball...

You don't have a top 30 let alone top 10 team without an all-star-stud point guard. Fred VanVleet pulled his hamstring two years ago and we lost to Tulsa. Enough said...

The difference between a contender and a pretender hinges on your point guard.

You can lose a big man, you can't lose your point guard. Nobody in the country has two all-star point guards on their team so comments about us not being as strong as people thought we were are a total waste of gas. This isn't the NBA; every college team will drop way off when they lose their PG except on the very rare occasion where they have an unproven future star who is able to fill in immediately -unheard of.

AAC team fans unable to follow my logic is most likely due to their own experience with mediocrity. Mediocre teams can fill the PG spot by committee because it really doesn't matter. They aren't gonna break .500 regardless of what happens. But at the highest level, the PG spot is about as important as the coach.


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Yes, compared to Shocker fans we have an elementary understanding of basketball.

I guess the drop off from Shamet to the other guards on your team was bigger than I expected.

Good teams adapt. System > player.

I think if we still had JRS he might be playing a few minutes at the beginning of next season. Losing Landry doesn't mean we are doomed to fail but it certainly increases the variance. Even without Fred it was certainly conceivable that we could have went 3-1 against Tulsa and in Orlando had a few bounces gone our way. We happened to go 0-4 instead. I imagine the beginning of next season will be the same kind of thing.

(07-31-2017 12:54 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 12:28 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I guess a lot of you guys on here really don't know basketball...

You don't have a top 30 let alone top 10 team without an all-star-stud point guard. Fred VanVleet pulled his hamstring two years ago and we lost to Tulsa. Enough said...

The difference between a contender and a pretender hinges on your point guard.

You can lose a big man, you can't lose your point guard. Nobody in the country has two all-star point guards on their team so comments about us not being as strong as people thought we were are a total waste of gas. This isn't the NBA; every college team will drop way off when they lose their PG except on the very rare occasion where they have an unproven future star who is able to fill in immediately -unheard of.

AAC team fans unable to follow my logic is most likely due to their own experience with mediocrity. Mediocre teams can fill the PG spot by committee because it really doesn't matter. They aren't gonna break .500 regardless of what happens. But at the highest level, the PG spot is about as important as the coach.


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Yes, compared to Shocker fans we have an elementary understanding of basketball.

I guess the drop off from Shamet to the other guards on your team was bigger than I expected.

Good teams adapt. System > player.

Reaves is fine for 10 minutes a game. He is not fine for 40. Cold is right that if any other position player went down we would be fine. Frankamp is a huge step up from anyone at the two spot but if we had to plug someone else in we would be in fine shape. KenPom doesn't calculate win shares but I'm guessing Landry's numbers would be way, way higher than anyone else on the team.

(07-29-2017 07:16 PM)Aargh Wrote:  Landry Shamet broke a bone in his foot at an All-Star camp in Philadelphia. He's expected to be able to play by mid-November. The Maui torunament (with Michigan and Notre Dame) is November 20-22. Could be a rough start to WSU's season.

Shamet Scheduled For Surgery Monday

I'm gonna admit that I have no earthly idea who this guy is.