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RE: How do you accurately determine a college team's market??
(07-30-2017 08:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (07-30-2017 02:21 AM)_C2_ Wrote: (07-30-2017 12:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (07-29-2017 07:15 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: (07-29-2017 01:32 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: There are two ways I look at a team's market: base and incremental support. Base is the number of fans you'd have if the team turned into cellar dwellers, had no star players or coaches, removed promotional and marketing activity, etc. and were basically left with die-hards, parents, the band, and people who show up just to get drunk. Incremental is what happens when you win and do all those things, draw abnormally good home opponents (e.g. P5 teams for the G5), get alumni and students who don't like sports a ton to show up because it's 'the event' to go to, and so on. Yet incremental isn't equal across schools due to size, history, and competition, someone like Rice couldn't fill their stadium even if they won ten games a year for example.
Usually when people say a team has a good market they're saying their base is high and they're taking advantage of their incremental potential. It's interesting since most schools that struggle with support had a 'golden age' at some point where they took advantage of both to some extent by winning a bunch and it resulted in a bit of a local following for a while. Take Miami, we averaged over 25K butts in the seats in 2003 and were 'the team' of the Miami Valley (far north Cincy suburbs through Dayton) outside of OSU's general pull of course. Fast forward over a decade later and we're basically at our base with only devoted alumni and Oxford townies showing up, though it looks like that's turning around.
This makes sense. I think "market size" is a proxy for the team's ceiling. In other words, how big can the bandwagon get?
If Rutgers and West Virginia both go 7-5, West Virginia will sell more bowl tickets and bring more TV viewers. That's the base.
But if Rutgers and West Virginia both go 12-0, Rutgers will sell more bowl tickets and bring more TV viewers. That's the bandwagoners. Rutgers has more potential for bandwagon fans due to their bigger market.
My knee-jerk reaction was "wait a minute, no ...", then I thought about it and it changed to "in this case, he could be right, good point".
But then I thought about a blue blood like Alabama. Rutgers is in a bigger market than Alabama, but no way on earth will a 12-0 Rutgers ever bring more fans, or draw more TV viewers, than a 12-0 Alabama.
That tells us that the sheer population of the city a school is in doesn't define their ceiling. Alabama has over the years established itself as a brand name that draws attention nationally, it transcends the limits of the population of Tuscaloosa, or even of the state of Alabama.
So while I think you are partially correct, there's also more at work here.
It's more about tradition and regional preferences. Alabama would draw lots of eyeballs locally and nationally but Rutgers would have a HUGE regional following if they ever got good and no shortage of national eyeballs either. Alabama benefits because of the regional love for all things football.
There's truth in what you say, but there's just no getting around the big fact that Alabama is a Big Name in college football nationally, and Rutgers isn't, no matter how good their record is. I mean, I have never lived west of the Mississippi river or north of the Mason-Dixon line, but if it's a Saturday afternoon and I'm surfing for a game, and i see "USC" or "Michigan", that grabs my attention and I'm likely to check them out, because those are big college football national names. Because like most fans, I'm more than just a fan of my school or my school's region, I follow college football on a national basis.
Rutgers doesn't register anything like that.
Just like in college hoops, Kentucky and Duke draw interest everywhere just because they are Kentucky and Duke, are established national brand names in that sport.
It all goes back to base and incremental market; on a scale of 1 to 10, Bama is probably 10 for base and 6 for incremental because even when they were just okay in the decade before Saban they'd still sell out most games. Becoming the Bama of today just means that the demand for tickets, merchandise, etc. is higher and raises a lot more money compared to when they were losing to Louisiana-Monroe. Rutgers would be something like 4 base and 8 incremental, it's just that they're realizing very little of that 8 today and haven't really ever done so in full.
Both metrics can grow or shrink over time, after all you had Memphis drawing flies not too long ago but their winning has probably expanded their base while they're finally capturing some of their incremental. On the flip side, Tulane was once a big player in New Orleans but went from filling their pre-Superdome stadium to becoming essentially irrelevant. A lot of it probably has to do with competition, Tennessee has no major football team besides them west of Nashville so there are gaps left by the SEC they can take advantage of; Tulane has the Saints there and LSU 90 miles away. By the same token, one wouldn't be too surprised if San Diego State blew up if they start winning like crazy with the Chargers gone (if they figure out their stadium issues); no one is expecting Georgia State to be 'the team' of Atlanta with the Falcons and Georgia Tech just down the road and UGA already strong.
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