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RE: Virginia Tech Headed Twice to Liberty as LU extends VT & ODU Deals
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(07-29-2017 06:36 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  I'm proud for and happy for Liberty. Glad to see any school with leadership as it pertains to stepping up in their vision of athletics. Liberty and App have had some great games in the past.

I think the Sun Belt made a huge mistake in not grabbing them. Calling it now, Liberty is going to pull an SMU and hire a big name coach in basketball then become a force overnight.

Well I think the Big 12 made a huge mistake not inviting Arkansas State and AAC made a huge mistake not inviting USM.
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(07-29-2017 04:14 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I think the Sun Belt made a huge mistake in not grabbing them. Calling it now, Liberty is going to pull an SMU and hire a big name coach in basketball then become a force overnight.

May not need to hire. Hoping we can hang on to our coach, he's doing a great job.

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RE: Virginia Tech Headed Twice to Liberty as LU extends VT & ODU Deals
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(07-29-2017 06:36 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  I'm proud for and happy for Liberty. Glad to see any school with leadership as it pertains to stepping up in their vision of athletics. Liberty and App have had some great games in the past.

I think the Sun Belt made a huge mistake in not grabbing them. Calling it now, Liberty is going to pull an SMU and hire a big name coach in basketball then become a force overnight.
SBC schools are very similar to one another for the most part. They have the same issues, problems, restrictions, requirements, and road maps as everyone else in the league.

Liberty is not like the rest of us, it is a good thing for us, and Liberty, that they are not with us.

Liberty will succeed as a wealthy independent with aspirations and the SBC will succeed as a collection of public underdogs with aspirations. Seperately.

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The only non-P5 conferences that would help Liberty are the American (maybe one day, but unlikely) and a FBS CAA. Every time the CAA could have got off the ground in FBS, it was quickly put down. Getting regular appearances in Charlotte (UNCC) and Atlanta (Georgia State) would have been helpful, and Old Dominion and James Madison would have helped with the in-state presence.
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RE: Virginia Tech Headed Twice to Liberty as LU extends VT & ODU Deals
(07-30-2017 01:43 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 04:14 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 06:36 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  I'm proud for and happy for Liberty. Glad to see any school with leadership as it pertains to stepping up in their vision of athletics. Liberty and App have had some great games in the past.

I think the Sun Belt made a huge mistake in not grabbing them. Calling it now, Liberty is going to pull an SMU and hire a big name coach in basketball then become a force overnight.

Well I think the Big 12 made a huge mistake not inviting Arkansas State and AAC made a huge mistake not inviting USM.

Why would token invites matter now? Maybe down the road, if the American is gutted but still rebuilds, Southern Miss might get an invite. The upheaval could move Arkansas State into C-USA in turn. But at that point, it's not much of an upgrade for either, as the American would effectively become what C-USA was (again) and C-USA what the Sun Belt was.
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(07-31-2017 07:38 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The only non-P5 conferences that would help Liberty are the American (maybe one day, but unlikely) and a FBS CAA. Every time the CAA could have got off the ground in FBS, it was quickly put down. Getting regular appearances in Charlotte (UNCC) and Atlanta (Georgia State) would have been helpful, and Old Dominion and James Madison would have helped with the in-state presence.

I can't find the article but when Georgia State announced its move to the Sun Belt, the CAA commissioner said they couldn't accommodate GSU's wishes for FBS football in time, leading one to infer that they at least had plans to make plans. Though I'm not sure what they would have been. Even in the most optimistic scenario, you'd have Georgia State, UMass, ODU, James Madison, Delaware and maaaaaybe Towson of the CAA members. Charlotte might have signed on, or they might have taken the Sun Belt or waited for CUSA. Maybe Appalachian State and Georgia Southern, though I don't know if either would be interested in a Mid-Atlantic conference, especially GaSo.

But even if you got everyone interested onboard, how do you do a new FBS conference? Can't imagine the other non-power conferences interested in splitting the pie further, plus no established FBS programs would join.

I suspect the commissioner's quote was cover. An FBS CAA would have been next-to-impossible to pull off.
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There isn't any reason that Liberty can't follow the BYU and Notre Dame models and be successful. Maybe not as successful as those, but with a successful niche along the same lines.

They don't need a conference if they do it right, and their start seems right so far.

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RE: Virginia Tech Headed Twice to Liberty as LU extends VT & ODU Deals
(08-02-2017 10:14 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 01:43 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 04:14 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 06:36 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  I'm proud for and happy for Liberty. Glad to see any school with leadership as it pertains to stepping up in their vision of athletics. Liberty and App have had some great games in the past.

I think the Sun Belt made a huge mistake in not grabbing them. Calling it now, Liberty is going to pull an SMU and hire a big name coach in basketball then become a force overnight.

Well I think the Big 12 made a huge mistake not inviting Arkansas State and AAC made a huge mistake not inviting USM.

Why would token invites matter now? Maybe down the road, if the American is gutted but still rebuilds, Southern Miss might get an invite. The upheaval could move Arkansas State into C-USA in turn. But at that point, it's not much of an upgrade for either, as the American would effectively become what C-USA was (again) and C-USA what the Sun Belt was.

I think you missed his sarcasm.

Most Sun Belt fans just roll their eyes everytime someone says we should have invited Liberty. They were not a fit in the league in any way shape or form. It was never going to happen, despite how much media tried to will it to happen. And Karl Benson's odd desire to bring them up for no reason in expansion talks.
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RE: Virginia Tech Headed Twice to Liberty as LU extends VT & ODU Deals
(07-31-2017 02:25 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 04:14 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 06:36 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  I'm proud for and happy for Liberty. Glad to see any school with leadership as it pertains to stepping up in their vision of athletics. Liberty and App have had some great games in the past.

I think the Sun Belt made a huge mistake in not grabbing them. Calling it now, Liberty is going to pull an SMU and hire a big name coach in basketball then become a force overnight.
SBC schools are very similar to one another for the most part. They have the same issues, problems, restrictions, requirements, and road maps as everyone else in the league.

Liberty is not like the rest of us, it is a good thing for us, and Liberty, that they are not with us.

Liberty will succeed as a wealthy independent with aspirations and the SBC will succeed as a collection of public underdogs with aspirations. Seperately.

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Good response. Tis true. LU was, and still is NOT a good fit for the SBC and likewise SBC is NOT a good fit for LU. Each will benefit in their own way by playing occasional OOC games. It seems to justifiably irk many SBC fans when LU is mentioned to have a greater up side than most SBC teams. LU being dismissed by the SBC without invites actually benefits LU. As much as non LU fans rankle on LU, the indy schedule so far is very strong. Much stronger than if a SBC member playing 4 OOC games.
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RE: Virginia Tech Headed Twice to Liberty as LU extends VT & ODU Deals
(08-06-2017 04:06 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 02:25 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 04:14 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 06:36 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  I'm proud for and happy for Liberty. Glad to see any school with leadership as it pertains to stepping up in their vision of athletics. Liberty and App have had some great games in the past.

I think the Sun Belt made a huge mistake in not grabbing them. Calling it now, Liberty is going to pull an SMU and hire a big name coach in basketball then become a force overnight.
SBC schools are very similar to one another for the most part. They have the same issues, problems, restrictions, requirements, and road maps as everyone else in the league.

Liberty is not like the rest of us, it is a good thing for us, and Liberty, that they are not with us.

Liberty will succeed as a wealthy independent with aspirations and the SBC will succeed as a collection of public underdogs with aspirations. Seperately.

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Good response. Tis true. LU was, and still is NOT a good fit for the SBC and likewise SBC is NOT a good fit for LU. Each will benefit in their own way by playing occasional OOC games. It seems to justifiably irk many SBC fans when LU is mentioned to have a greater up side than most SBC teams. LU being dismissed by the SBC without invites actually benefits LU. As much as non LU fans rankle on LU, the indy schedule so far is very strong. Much stronger than if a SBC member playing 4 OOC games.

I think it makes people feel better to say "They were not a fit". The real story is Liberty had far too much potential. And the SBC schools were afraid they would grow, dominate the league, then leave.
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RE: Virginia Tech Headed Twice to Liberty as LU extends VT & ODU Deals
(08-07-2017 03:52 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(08-06-2017 04:06 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 02:25 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 04:14 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 06:36 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  I'm proud for and happy for Liberty. Glad to see any school with leadership as it pertains to stepping up in their vision of athletics. Liberty and App have had some great games in the past.

I think the Sun Belt made a huge mistake in not grabbing them. Calling it now, Liberty is going to pull an SMU and hire a big name coach in basketball then become a force overnight.
SBC schools are very similar to one another for the most part. They have the same issues, problems, restrictions, requirements, and road maps as everyone else in the league.

Liberty is not like the rest of us, it is a good thing for us, and Liberty, that they are not with us.

Liberty will succeed as a wealthy independent with aspirations and the SBC will succeed as a collection of public underdogs with aspirations. Seperately.

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Good response. Tis true. LU was, and still is NOT a good fit for the SBC and likewise SBC is NOT a good fit for LU. Each will benefit in their own way by playing occasional OOC games. It seems to justifiably irk many SBC fans when LU is mentioned to have a greater up side than most SBC teams. LU being dismissed by the SBC without invites actually benefits LU. As much as non LU fans rankle on LU, the indy schedule so far is very strong. Much stronger than if a SBC member playing 4 OOC games.

I think it makes people feel better to say "They were not a fit". The real story is Liberty had far too much potential. And the SBC schools were afraid they would grow, dominate the league, then leave.

I agree that Liberty has potential, but that said, I think domination would be a long way away even in the best-case scenario.

Liberty is the 900-pound gorilla in the Big South—at least in terms of budget and aspirations. The only program that can even get within a galaxy's reach is High Point; the rest are by orders smaller and poorer. Yet their men's basketball team only won three BSC tournaments and one regular-season title since the school joined in 1991. The football program has a bunch of co-championships but only one trip to the NCAA playoffs, in 2014. And while their women's basketball has legitimately dominated the BSC, even that's fallen off in recent years.

Liberty would have been fine in the Sun Belt, but I don't think they would have marched in and turned it into their personal killing field within five years either. If they couldn't do it in a conference with Charleston Southern and Gardner-Webb, they probably wouldn't do it in a conference with Georgia Southern and Arkansas State.
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RE: Virginia Tech Headed Twice to Liberty as LU extends VT & ODU Deals
(07-30-2017 01:43 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 04:14 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 06:36 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  I'm proud for and happy for Liberty. Glad to see any school with leadership as it pertains to stepping up in their vision of athletics. Liberty and App have had some great games in the past.

I think the Sun Belt made a huge mistake in not grabbing them. Calling it now, Liberty is going to pull an SMU and hire a big name coach in basketball then become a force overnight.

Well I think the Big 12 made a huge mistake not inviting Arkansas State and AAC made a huge mistake not inviting USM.

Agreed - that would have gotten the Big 12 back into Arkansas, as well as SE Missouri (they'd own the Bootheel) as well as western Tennessee.


I imagine they are waiting on Ark Tech to move up for #11.
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(08-07-2017 04:39 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-30-2017 01:43 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 04:14 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 06:36 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  I'm proud for and happy for Liberty. Glad to see any school with leadership as it pertains to stepping up in their vision of athletics. Liberty and App have had some great games in the past.

I think the Sun Belt made a huge mistake in not grabbing them. Calling it now, Liberty is going to pull an SMU and hire a big name coach in basketball then become a force overnight.

Well I think the Big 12 made a huge mistake not inviting Arkansas State and AAC made a huge mistake not inviting USM.

Agreed - that would have gotten the Big 12 back into Arkansas, as well as SE Missouri (they'd own the Bootheel) as well as western Tennessee.


I imagine they are waiting on Ark Tech to move up for #11.
We're restricting it to those schools that actually made a presentation to the Big 12 and that were noted by the press as candidates. So that leaves out Arkansas Tech.

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RE: Virginia Tech Headed Twice to Liberty as LU extends VT & ODU Deals
(08-02-2017 03:32 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 07:38 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The only non-P5 conferences that would help Liberty are the American (maybe one day, but unlikely) and a FBS CAA. Every time the CAA could have got off the ground in FBS, it was quickly put down. Getting regular appearances in Charlotte (UNCC) and Atlanta (Georgia State) would have been helpful, and Old Dominion and James Madison would have helped with the in-state presence.

I can't find the article but when Georgia State announced its move to the Sun Belt, the CAA commissioner said they couldn't accommodate GSU's wishes for FBS football in time, leading one to infer that they at least had plans to make plans. Though I'm not sure what they would have been. Even in the most optimistic scenario, you'd have Georgia State, UMass, ODU, James Madison, Delaware and maaaaaybe Towson of the CAA members. Charlotte might have signed on, or they might have taken the Sun Belt or waited for CUSA. Maybe Appalachian State and Georgia Southern, though I don't know if either would be interested in a Mid-Atlantic conference, especially GaSo.

But even if you got everyone interested onboard, how do you do a new FBS conference? Can't imagine the other non-power conferences interested in splitting the pie further, plus no established FBS programs would join.

I suspect the commissioner's quote was cover. An FBS CAA would have been next-to-impossible to pull off.

When you look at all of the schools who have moved up since 2010 you could almost put them all in one conference together:

UMass
Liberty
ODU
App St
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia St
Georgia Southern

Aside from UMass I like the geography of it. I think you could potentially tack on JMU, Jacksonville St and maybe some other CAA schools to round it out or maybe recruit the F_U twins.

I like this grouping a lot better than having some in C-USA and others in the SBC.
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A lot of people want to realign teams like you have above but for Georgia Southern's part you can just leave us where we are at cause we like it just fine.

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(08-07-2017 05:30 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  A lot of people want to realign teams like you have above but for Georgia Southern's part you can just leave us where we are at cause we like it just fine.

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(08-07-2017 03:52 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(08-06-2017 04:06 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(07-31-2017 02:25 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 04:14 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 06:36 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  I'm proud for and happy for Liberty. Glad to see any school with leadership as it pertains to stepping up in their vision of athletics. Liberty and App have had some great games in the past.

I think the Sun Belt made a huge mistake in not grabbing them. Calling it now, Liberty is going to pull an SMU and hire a big name coach in basketball then become a force overnight.
SBC schools are very similar to one another for the most part. They have the same issues, problems, restrictions, requirements, and road maps as everyone else in the league.

Liberty is not like the rest of us, it is a good thing for us, and Liberty, that they are not with us.

Liberty will succeed as a wealthy independent with aspirations and the SBC will succeed as a collection of public underdogs with aspirations. Seperately.

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Good response. Tis true. LU was, and still is NOT a good fit for the SBC and likewise SBC is NOT a good fit for LU. Each will benefit in their own way by playing occasional OOC games. It seems to justifiably irk many SBC fans when LU is mentioned to have a greater up side than most SBC teams. LU being dismissed by the SBC without invites actually benefits LU. As much as non LU fans rankle on LU, the indy schedule so far is very strong. Much stronger than if a SBC member playing 4 OOC games.

I think it makes people feel better to say "They were not a fit". The real story is Liberty had far too much potential. And the SBC schools were afraid they would grow, dominate the league, then leave.
First, Liberty has had almost ZERO post season success with the exception of one playoff appearance and one victory. With that baseline, who is LU to state, or believe it can be successful on the FBS level. LU has a large athletic budget, top notch facilities and has been screaming, in an overt attempt to have an SBC invite. With this premise, how can the point be made that LU has any upside much less greater than most SBC teams? Here's how.

Money, commitment from admins and AD, and national recognition brand (not athletics but awareness). Granted LU is disliked by many more than support the team. Even with those that dislike LU, there is an extra level of charge or dislike. LU is seen and perceived by many as not paying it's dues, being a diploma mill with low level academic credentials and more. And it simply gauls many who are not in the position of LU. That it has a working module of on-campus and on-line success. So LU is a lightning rod. Start a thread with the mention of Liberty and watch the fireworks light up the posts. And this hatred and dislike will be a huge draw as the school wins some noteworthy FBS games and becomes an even more alienating force to those who currently view the school with disdain.

LU will become the one game, on most SBC team schedules, that will be a "must not lose" game. As FCS, when LU played App St and GaSt, read the posts where fans of other teams were pleading with opposing SBC teams to "not lose to Liberty". Along with this dislike for LU will be a strengthening of the LU brand and more visibility for the school. Watch as an independent how it utilizes it TV network to broadcast the games and uses the format to promote the school.

It's easy to understand the disdain. It's easy to follow the dislike. It's also easy to see how LU will soon lose it's FCS transition identity as it brings in ACC, the militaries, P5 and G5 teams coming to Lynchburg. Sure LU will take it's early lumps. But the upside is much, much greater with the available funds, school leadership and desire to succeed that LU has. Much to the dislike of many SBC fans.
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(08-07-2017 04:27 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 03:52 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
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(07-31-2017 02:25 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(07-29-2017 04:14 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I think the Sun Belt made a huge mistake in not grabbing them. Calling it now, Liberty is going to pull an SMU and hire a big name coach in basketball then become a force overnight.
SBC schools are very similar to one another for the most part. They have the same issues, problems, restrictions, requirements, and road maps as everyone else in the league.

Liberty is not like the rest of us, it is a good thing for us, and Liberty, that they are not with us.

Liberty will succeed as a wealthy independent with aspirations and the SBC will succeed as a collection of public underdogs with aspirations. Seperately.

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Good response. Tis true. LU was, and still is NOT a good fit for the SBC and likewise SBC is NOT a good fit for LU. Each will benefit in their own way by playing occasional OOC games. It seems to justifiably irk many SBC fans when LU is mentioned to have a greater up side than most SBC teams. LU being dismissed by the SBC without invites actually benefits LU. As much as non LU fans rankle on LU, the indy schedule so far is very strong. Much stronger than if a SBC member playing 4 OOC games.

I think it makes people feel better to say "They were not a fit". The real story is Liberty had far too much potential. And the SBC schools were afraid they would grow, dominate the league, then leave.

I agree that Liberty has potential, but that said, I think domination would be a long way away even in the best-case scenario.

Liberty is the 900-pound gorilla in the Big South—at least in terms of budget and aspirations. The only program that can even get within a galaxy's reach is High Point; the rest are by orders smaller and poorer. Yet their men's basketball team only won three BSC tournaments and one regular-season title since the school joined in 1991. The football program has a bunch of co-championships but only one trip to the NCAA playoffs, in 2014. And while their women's basketball has legitimately dominated the BSC, even that's fallen off in recent years.

Liberty would have been fine in the Sun Belt, but I don't think they would have marched in and turned it into their personal killing field within five years either. If they couldn't do it in a conference with Charleston Southern and Gardner-Webb, they probably wouldn't do it in a conference with Georgia Southern and Arkansas State.

I don't think they would have immediately either. It's almost a given you will struggle during the transition. Where their potential lies in my opinion is that they have all of those resources and they now have a goal. Being good in FBS is all about how much money you have. Can you afford to schedule good teams. Can you build good facilities. Can you hire good coaches?

I personally would not pay to much mind to FCS. It's not a clear indication of how a team will perform in FBS.
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