http://espn1530.iheart.com/featured/mo-e...-bearcats/

Not a lot of new information, but good to here from the voice of the Bearcats.

Summary:
- Not a good end of the last year. Fickell is bringing interest back to the program.
- Not surprised how he is recruiting.
- You are going to see a lot more effort from the team than we have seen the past two years.
- Typical Luke Fickell practice has physical aspect of Mark Dantonio era. This is going to be one heck of a physical football team. A whole new level of physicality of even BK and BJ era.
- Last year team unprepared at times. Down the stretch, there was not really people who wanted to be out there. There was no communication with one another.
- Team is now playing like they want to be there.
- 1-2 things that needed to be sort out with roster: 1) OL depth 2) WR- there's clearly talent in DG and KL, but they need to fill in more. 3) Depth at LB and Secondary.
- Running Back: Solid guy in Mike Boone. Doaks is going to be a guy Cincinnati fans are really going to like over the next 3-4 years. Big Guy, can run inside and out.

(07-27-2017 02:47 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  http://espn1530.iheart.com/featured/mo-e...-bearcats/

Not a lot of new information, but good to here from the voice of the Bearcats.

Summary:
- Not a good end of the last year. Fickell is bringing interest back to the program.
- Not surprised how he is recruiting.
- You are going to see a lot more effort from the team than we have seen the past two years.
- Typical Luke Fickell practice has physical aspect of Mark Dantonio era. This is going to be one heck of a physical football team. A whole new level of physicality of even BK and BJ era.
- Last year team unprepared at times. Down the stretch, there was not really people who wanted to be out there. There was no communication with one another.
- Team is now playing like they want to be there.
- 1-2 things that needed to be sort out with roster: 1) OL depth 2) WR- there's clearly talent in DG and KL, but they need to fill in more. 3) Depth at LB and Secondary.
- Running Back: Solid guy in Mike Boone. Doaks is going to be a guy Cincinnati fans are really going to like over the next 3-4 years. Big Guy, can run inside and out.

Wow, great summary. Thanks for sharing. Given all this, results should far surpass last year's anemic performances.

It's hard to believe Mike Boone is a senior already. We have barely gotten to see him due to first being a freshman, then letting players decide substitutions by HWSLBN, then being injured last year. Anyone know if he will be coming back for a 5th year? Or if he got a medical redshirt and can play for 2 more years?

It's just... man... it feels like he just got here. It's a damn shame that his talent hasn't been used more.

(07-27-2017 03:32 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  It's hard to believe Mike Boone is a senior already. We have barely gotten to see him due to first being a freshman, then letting players decide substitutions by HWSLBN, then being injured last year. Anyone know if he will be coming back for a 5th year? Or if he got a medical redshirt and can play for 2 more years?

It's just... man... it feels like he just got here. It's a damn shame that his talent hasn't been used more.

He won't be back. He's exhausted his four years of eligibility and he can't get a medical hardship "dubbed Medical Redshirt" because he appeared in more than 30% of the games last year.

Edit: The only way he could be back would be if were injured this year and did not play in more than 30% of the games.

(07-27-2017 03:36 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 03:32 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  It's hard to believe Mike Boone is a senior already. We have barely gotten to see him due to first being a freshman, then letting players decide substitutions by HWSLBN, then being injured last year. Anyone know if he will be coming back for a 5th year? Or if he got a medical redshirt and can play for 2 more years?

It's just... man... it feels like he just got here. It's a damn shame that his talent hasn't been used more.

He won't be back. He's exhausted his four years of eligibility and he can't get a medical hardship "dubbed Medical Redshirt" because he appeared in more than 30% of the games last year.

Edit: The only way he could be back would be if were injured this year and did not play in more than 30% of the games.

He is a victim of stupid TT. What a shame. We should never have blown his RS mid year and then subjected him to the strangest substitution method I have seen in over 50 years of watching college football.

When he is right he is the best recent behind IP.

I feel everyone's pain with Mike Boone. The past is the past though. Let's hope he stays healthy and has one heckuva Senior season. Excited to see what the 6 foot 220 lb. man child Doaks can bring as a frosh. Nice that we can feature Boonie and have Doaks get some good reps to be even better next year.

(07-27-2017 06:18 PM)doss2 Wrote:  He is a victim of stupid TT. What a shame. We should never have blown his RS mid year and then subjected him to the strangest substitution method I have seen in over 50 years of watching college football.

When he is right he is the best recent behind IP.

George Winn was a beast in 2012. He rushed for over 1300 yards that year, caught another 800 and was a special teams wonder. Mike has been great, hopefully he matches or exceeds George's production.

(07-27-2017 06:18 PM)doss2 Wrote:  He is a victim of stupid TT. What a shame. We should never have blown his RS mid year and then subjected him to the strangest substitution method I have seen in over 50 years of watching college football.

When he is right he is the best recent behind IP.

I have never seen this type of substitution in youth football. He did not care.

I still remember Kelly putting Pead in the Marshall game. He ran like 4 or 5 run plays and he like motioned to the sideline I need to come out. Kelly just left him out there.

(07-27-2017 07:14 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 06:18 PM)doss2 Wrote:  He is a victim of stupid TT. What a shame. We should never have blown his RS mid year and then subjected him to the strangest substitution method I have seen in over 50 years of watching college football.

When he is right he is the best recent behind IP.

I have never seen this type of substitution in youth football. He did not care.

Not gonna lie. I'm still pissed about it.

You guys are completely missing the point. Tubby was a magician who had the power to turn Mike Boone into just another guy right before our eyes. His powers of llusion are to be celebrated and revered in song.

Curious, if the offense really struggles should their a wildcat playbook for Boone at QB?

(07-27-2017 07:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 06:18 PM)doss2 Wrote:  He is a victim of stupid TT. What a shame. We should never have blown his RS mid year and then subjected him to the strangest substitution method I have seen in over 50 years of watching college football.

When he is right he is the best recent behind IP.

George Winn was a beast in 2012. He rushed for over 1300 yards that year, caught another 800 and was a special teams wonder. Mike has been great, hopefully he matches or exceeds George's production.

Circling back to this from yesterday...

I am optimistic Mike is going to have a big year. That being said, we'd better hope the issue last year was the coaching staff and not on the player. The reason I say that is when you look at his production, Boone has not consistently strung out as good of a year as many think on this board.

In 2014, he did not play until the 5th game of the season. He had one monster game where he rushed for 212 yards, the next he rushed for 113, but otherwise he went for 14, 18, 45, 52, 62 and 85. He rushed for 9 TDs

In 2015, he had three games where he went 117, 118 and 137. The other 10 games he went for 86, 16, 53, 49, 57, 28, 56 and 32. He rushed for 9 TDs

In 2016, he rushed for 35, 78, 29, 74, 31, 7, 88, 24 and 22. He missed the last three games. He rushed for 3 TDs.

Going back to Winn: In 2012 he rushed for 147, 128, 125, 165, 119, 130, 95, 86, 83, 76, 75, 70, 70 and 35. He rushed for 13 TDs.

Synopsis: Winn was much more consistent. Boone basically has had 5 100+ yard games in three years-- George had 6 in just one season as a starter and rushed for more TDs. Hopefully the answer is the substitution patterns, the coaching or sharing the backfield with Tion Green and Rod Moore (however in 2012 Winn shared the backfield with a more trim Tion Green and RDIV, not to mention Munchie/Kay ran the ball a lot), but I think for now it is premature to anoint Mike the best we've had since Pead.

(07-28-2017 12:49 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 07:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 06:18 PM)doss2 Wrote:  He is a victim of stupid TT. What a shame. We should never have blown his RS mid year and then subjected him to the strangest substitution method I have seen in over 50 years of watching college football.

When he is right he is the best recent behind IP.

George Winn was a beast in 2012. He rushed for over 1300 yards that year, caught another 800 and was a special teams wonder. Mike has been great, hopefully he matches or exceeds George's production.

Circling back to this from yesterday...

I am optimistic Mike is going to have a big year. That being said, we'd better hope the issue last year was the coaching staff and not on the player. The reason I say that is when you look at his production, Boone has not consistently strung out as good of a year as many think on this board.

In 2014, he did not play until the 5th game of the season. He had one monster game where he rushed for 212 yards, the next he rushed for 113, but otherwise he went for 14, 18, 45, 52, 62 and 85. He rushed for 9 TDs

In 2015, he had three games where he went 117, 118 and 137. The other 10 games he went for 86, 16, 53, 49, 57, 28, 56 and 32. He rushed for 9 TDs

In 2016, he rushed for 35, 78, 29, 74, 31, 7, 88, 24 and 22. He missed the last three games. He rushed for 3 TDs.

Going back to Winn: In 2012 he rushed for 147, 128, 125, 165, 119, 130, 95, 86, 83, 76, 75, 70, 70 and 35. He rushed for 13 TDs.

Synopsis: Winn was much more consistent. Boone basically has had 5 100+ yard games in three years-- George had 6 in just one season as a starter and rushed for more TDs. Hopefully the answer is the substitution patterns, the coaching or sharing the backfield with Tion Green and Rod Moore (however in 2012 Winn shared the backfield with a more trim Tion Green and RDIV, not to mention Munchie/Kay ran the ball a lot), but I think for now it is premature to anoint Mike the best we've had since Pead.

I understand the concern, but there were games where Boone would literally disappear from the field. If we're comparing comparable carries to carries, that's one thing. But we're not. And I think that's the basis of the gripe. This bizarro substitution system the Old Pine Box implemented kept him off the field way too often.

(07-28-2017 12:49 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 07:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 06:18 PM)doss2 Wrote:  He is a victim of stupid TT. What a shame. We should never have blown his RS mid year and then subjected him to the strangest substitution method I have seen in over 50 years of watching college football.

When he is right he is the best recent behind IP.

George Winn was a beast in 2012. He rushed for over 1300 yards that year, caught another 800 and was a special teams wonder. Mike has been great, hopefully he matches or exceeds George's production.

Circling back to this from yesterday...

I am optimistic Mike is going to have a big year. That being said, we'd better hope the issue last year was the coaching staff and not on the player. The reason I say that is when you look at his production, Boone has not consistently strung out as good of a year as many think on this board.

In 2014, he did not play until the 5th game of the season. He had one monster game where he rushed for 212 yards, the next he rushed for 113, but otherwise he went for 14, 18, 45, 52, 62 and 85. He rushed for 9 TDs

In 2015, he had three games where he went 117, 118 and 137. The other 10 games he went for 86, 16, 53, 49, 57, 28, 56 and 32. He rushed for 9 TDs

In 2016, he rushed for 35, 78, 29, 74, 31, 7, 88, 24 and 22. He missed the last three games. He rushed for 3 TDs.

Going back to Winn: In 2012 he rushed for 147, 128, 125, 165, 119, 130, 95, 86, 83, 76, 75, 70, 70 and 35. He rushed for 13 TDs.

Synopsis: Winn was much more consistent. Boone basically has had 5 100+ yard games in three years-- George had 6 in just one season as a starter and rushed for more TDs. Hopefully the answer is the substitution patterns, the coaching or sharing the backfield with Tion Green and Rod Moore (however in 2012 Winn shared the backfield with a more trim Tion Green and RDIV, not to mention Munchie/Kay ran the ball a lot), but I think for now it is premature to anoint Mike the best we've had since Pead.

agreed.

I know it's fashionable to rip he who shall not be named, but things are never as simple as that. We'll see what Boone does this year, but he has definitely shown himself to be a bit inconsistent, and fragile.

I love his game tho. I think he has as much opportunity as anybody in overcoming the shortcomings of our OL. I wanna see him have a great year, and potentially set himself up for a go at the NFL. Would be an excellent way to cap off his UC career.




mc

(07-28-2017 12:49 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 07:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-27-2017 06:18 PM)doss2 Wrote:  He is a victim of stupid TT. What a shame. We should never have blown his RS mid year and then subjected him to the strangest substitution method I have seen in over 50 years of watching college football.

When he is right he is the best recent behind IP.

George Winn was a beast in 2012. He rushed for over 1300 yards that year, caught another 800 and was a special teams wonder. Mike has been great, hopefully he matches or exceeds George's production.

Circling back to this from yesterday...

I am optimistic Mike is going to have a big year. That being said, we'd better hope the issue last year was the coaching staff and not on the player. The reason I say that is when you look at his production, Boone has not consistently strung out as good of a year as many think on this board.

In 2014, he did not play until the 5th game of the season. He had one monster game where he rushed for 212 yards, the next he rushed for 113, but otherwise he went for 14, 18, 45, 52, 62 and 85. He rushed for 9 TDs

In 2015, he had three games where he went 117, 118 and 137. The other 10 games he went for 86, 16, 53, 49, 57, 28, 56 and 32. He rushed for 9 TDs

In 2016, he rushed for 35, 78, 29, 74, 31, 7, 88, 24 and 22. He missed the last three games. He rushed for 3 TDs.

Going back to Winn: In 2012 he rushed for 147, 128, 125, 165, 119, 130, 95, 86, 83, 76, 75, 70, 70 and 35. He rushed for 13 TDs.

Synopsis: Winn was much more consistent. Boone basically has had 5 100+ yard games in three years-- George had 6 in just one season as a starter and rushed for more TDs. Hopefully the answer is the substitution patterns, the coaching or sharing the backfield with Tion Green and Rod Moore (however in 2012 Winn shared the backfield with a more trim Tion Green and RDIV, not to mention Munchie/Kay ran the ball a lot), but I think for now it is premature to anoint Mike the best we've had since Pead.

George is one of my all time favorite Bearcats. Some memorable plays include the first play of the 2012 season against Pitt for a td, the Liberty Bowl run and the touchdown pass against Syracuse. George was unfortunate to have Pead in front of him.

Not real concerned about Mike and his ability to make plays. Much of Mikes issues last year were injuries. The prior year was Tts crazy substitution patterns. He would play him on third an long in many of the later games that season. It was apparent that he had become the third back in the rotation. In the Byu game, I will never forget Gunnar and Mike having a conversation on the sideline while our offense was sputtering. I have always wondered if it was about TT and his crazy substitution.

Let's just hope the offensive line can give him some help.

RE: George Winn vs. Mike Boone

Their career statistics are eerily similar.

George Winn: 321 carries, 1710 yards, 15 TDs / 19 catches, 159 yards
Mike Boone: 310 carries, 1787 yards, 20 TDs / 41 rec, 410 yards
...if you remove Boone's ridiculous 4 for 118 game he's still at 306/1669 which tracks to exactly the same yardage that Winn had with similar carry counts

Going game by game is only a good metric if the players were utilized similarly which is absolutely not the case here. George averaged 17 carries per game in that 2012 season while Boone has only gotten more 17+ carries in a game 4 times in his career. Building a rhythm and comfort behind a line while having the confidence that you'll be out there every down definitely makes a positive impact on someone's play. If you don't know when you're getting the hook you tend to force more, making aggressive and risky plays instead of doing your thing. The way the RBs were handled under Gran/Tubs was a point of contention for me and a few others on here specifically because of this...and Boone was still able to perform in his limited carries.

I do think we'll see a significant uptick in production because he knows he's the guy, and he isn't getting rotated out every single possession/play. I also think a wider set, shotgun style offense will help Boone much more than the i-form we were running this past year. The only thing that remains to be seen is if he's durable enough to run that many snaps.




Completely unrelated, but in looking back at historical stats, I forgot just how good Walter Stewart was playing prior to the diagnosis of his spinal condition. He had 5 sacks and 25 tackles from the end in 5 games...he was tracking towards an AA season at that point.

And talking about ****** coaching decisions, I still contend that the Munchie Legaux experiment in '12 cost us a chance at another undefeated season. His horrific accuracy and decision making was the primary reason why we lost at Toledo and at Louisville and if we're undefeated going into that Rutgers game, I don't think we lay the egg that we did.

(07-28-2017 02:47 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Let's just hope the offensive line can give him some help.

I'm not holding my breath on this one. I think we are in trouble on the Oline.