Thank goodness there's no Ontario State, or else there would be international incidents.

Impossible because it'd be Ontario Provincial University, though I suppose Ontario Southern University could exist.

(07-26-2017 01:14 PM)billings Wrote:  oregon state goes by OS these days anyway


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You might want to check their most recent rebranding. The Interlocking OS is not actually part of their current brand (thought I did like it). Their official letter symbol is:


The interlocking OS is a secondary symbol.

Welcome to Miami's world.

(07-26-2017 01:09 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I happened to be a student at Ohio University at the time of that dispute in the late 90s and it was completely absurd. Basically, Ohio University, which for a long time went informally by the nicknames "OU" or "Ohio U" decided to brand its apparel as simply "Ohio." It also switched logos from this one...



...or this one...


...to this one...


Ohio State then stepped in and tried to put a stop to it claiming that it was THE Ohio State University and had all rights to the name Ohio in college branding. Ohio U then counter-sued, claiming that Ohio State could not call their famous halftime celebration "Script Ohio" or even call the legendary "Horseshoe" Ohio Stadium.

The problem was before Ohio University adopted that first logo, it had these two - which proved that it was always Ohio after all.





They settled after about a year-and-a-half with both sides essentially dropping their lawsuits towards the other. The side effect was that every Scarlet and Gray yahoo in the world started calling it "THE Ohio State University" out of some sense of defiance/school pride.

Just imagine how arrogant you have to be think that you're the rightful owner of the name of a school that was founded 66yrs before yours. Does Michigan St refer to itself as Michigan, Florida St as Florida.., etc. Its beyond arrogant.

Yes, it is beyond arrogant. However, as someone who did not grow up in Big Ten country, I thought most of the Ohio State fans I encountered – many of whom remain some of my closest friends today – were incredibly arrogant about Ohio State and the Big Ten.

It was/is a weird fandom. They were VERY provincial. They could tell you everything you needed to know about Ohio State and most of the things you needed to know about the rest of the Big Ten. However, they could usually tell you nothing about anyone else.

My bar of choice in Athens was called Lucky's Tavern. I loved Lucky's! I still have dreams about it many years later.

I'm from Pittsburgh and - at the time at least - it was a Pittsburgh and hockey centric sports bar (two of my favorite things). It was a beer distributor in the front and a cool bar in the back. I'm not even sure if it's still there but it was on Court Street. If it is still there, I'm sure it's changed by now because I'm old as hell and I haven't been back to Athens in decades.

Anyway, I distinctly remember getting into an insane (but fun) bar-wide argument with a ton of Ohio State fans in that bar the one day as we are watching No. 1 Miami versus No. 2 Florida State. It was one of those famous wide-right games and they were all bitching the entire time about how terrible both of those teams were and how they would get destroyed if they had to play in a "real conference."

It was one of the most insane things I've ever heard but I could tell by the way they were expressing themselves that they believed it with all their heart. They sincerely believed that whoever won the Big Ten was a much better team than either Miami or Florida State, and this was during both programs' heyday – whenever half the first round of the NFL draft was filled with players from those two schools.

What I remember most was the making fun of the slow linebackers on Miami and Florida State and I guess that was my first foray into "alternative facts." They were talking about guys like Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, etc. and they were comparing them unfavorably to the average Big Ten linebacker. And we're not talking one or two loudmouths. We're talking literally 25 or 30 people adamantly arguing over this. It's one of the craziest things I've ever experienced. I was literally laughing at them during the debate and in retrospect it seems even more absurd.

However, that's just the Big Ten mentality. I never watched the Rose Bowl growing up. It never meant anything with regard to the national championship picture. I always watched the Orange Bowl or the Sugar Bowl because that's who was usually determining who was winning the national championship. And when the Fiesta Bowl started to host that game more often than not, that's the game I watched.

I never cared about UCLA versus Michigan or Washington versus Illinois with nothing of substance on the line. That meant nothing to me. We usually ate dinner during the Rose Bowl.

When I told my B1G fan friends that fact they literally did not believe me. They thought I was making it all up just to mess with them. It was just incomprehensible to them that a big college football fan like me would not watch the Rose Bowl.

That's why I laugh whenever they then turn around and complain about the arrogance of Notre Dame. Don't get me wrong, Notre Dame IS absolutely as arrogant as hell. However, whenever a fan of Ohio State or Michigan or Penn State is complaining about the pompousness and arrogance of Notre Dame, that sounds a lot to me like your neighbor with the souped up Porsche complaining about how showy and image-conscious your other neighbor is with the souped up Tesla.

It is precisely THAT mentality that fosters things like stealing a name from a previously established University and then turning around and suing them because they have the unmitigated temerity to use their own name.

I got the same problem when I started going to school in Ohio. My parents went to the University of Florida and so I had no connection to Ohio State, the Big Ten, or the Rose Bowl. My family did not care about them at all and did not watch them on purpose (they might watch it because they needed something to watch and football might be worth watching over the other things we could be watching on that day but most of the time nope did not care). Now the Sugar Bowl they would always watch along with the Orange Bowl (Mom was from Miami).

When I got to Ohio they really knew about Ohio State and the Big 10 but were not so educated about anybody else (granted my parents did not know much about the Big 10 either so perhaps not unusual though they did know the ACC but that was probably due to proximity). Eventually it all came to a head when Florida played Ohio State in that one game and how they were going to dominate and I spent about a month being told that Florida sucked and they were going to get destroyed etc (by the way being how I am I did not say a thing to anybody else about how I thought Florida was going to win). It felt really good when Ohio State got spanked in that game. They had no idea how to cope it was great it could not happen to a better bunch of people.

I love living in Ohio in general but I HATE Ohio State fans they are among the worst fans I have ever had the disservice of being around (more FANS than alumni that are of course fans of the school if that makes any sense). Michigan and PSU are pretty bad too but for me OSU have had the worst I have seen (parents used to think that way of a few SEC fans but after dealing with some Big 10 fans yea they also feel that they are more insufferable).

To be completely fair, if any school in the country has earned the right to an insufferable superiority complex, it's Ohio State football fans.

They've ALWAYS been nationally relevant. They haven't had two seasons in a row without a winning record since the 1920s. The last year that they spent the whole season outside the AP top 25 (1967), they won the national title the next year. Other programs have had better decades. But none have been consistently relevant as much as Ohio State (not even Alabama).

I'm ok with a superiority complex if it's earned (even Miami football or Kentucky basketball). But I get ticked off by unearned superiority complexes. The prize for that goes to Ohio State basketball fans.

They have more Final Fours than all but the blue bloods. They have 4 more than Cincinnati. Just 1 national title though. I'm not saying they are a blue blood but they have earned their due.

(07-31-2017 09:55 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  They have more Final Fours than the blue bloods. They have 4 more than Cincinnati. Just 1 national title though.

Its the NCAA's fault. They keep arranging for good teams to show up as opponents in the semi-finals! @#$% SOBs.

(07-31-2017 09:55 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  They have more Final Fours than the blue bloods. They have 4 more than Cincinnati. Just 1 national title though. I'm not saying they are a blue blood but they have earned their due.

Sure, they have an all-time top-20 basketball program and maybe even higher. But they honestly think they're the equals of Kentucky and North Carolina.

It was really annoying when I was growing up because they missed the NCAA's 6 years in a row (weren't even a bubble team) and still thought they were better than UC (technically, since they cheated in the early 00s they missed it 13 years in a row - and UC made the tourney all 13 of those years).

Fun fact: Ohio State has fired or forced out every single football and basketball coach in their history other than Gary Williams (who left for Maryland in 1989).

(07-30-2017 08:01 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Yes, it is beyond arrogant. However, as someone who did not grow up in Big Ten country, I thought most of the Ohio State fans I encountered – many of whom remain some of my closest friends today – were incredibly arrogant about Ohio State and the Big Ten.

It was/is a weird fandom. They were VERY provincial. They could tell you everything you needed to know about Ohio State and most of the things you needed to know about the rest of the Big Ten. However, they could usually tell you nothing about anyone else.

My bar of choice in Athens was called Lucky's Tavern. I loved Lucky's! I still have dreams about it many years later.

I'm from Pittsburgh and - at the time at least - it was a Pittsburgh and hockey centric sports bar (two of my favorite things). It was a beer distributor in the front and a cool bar in the back. I'm not even sure if it's still there but it was on Court Street. If it is still there, I'm sure it's changed by now because I'm old as hell and I haven't been back to Athens in decades.

Anyway, I distinctly remember getting into an insane (but fun) bar-wide argument with a ton of Ohio State fans in that bar the one day as we are watching No. 1 Miami versus No. 2 Florida State. It was one of those famous wide-right games and they were all bitching the entire time about how terrible both of those teams were and how they would get destroyed if they had to play in a "real conference."

It was one of the most insane things I've ever heard but I could tell by the way they were expressing themselves that they believed it with all their heart. They sincerely believed that whoever won the Big Ten was a much better team than either Miami or Florida State, and this was during both programs' heyday – whenever half the first round of the NFL draft was filled with players from those two schools.

What I remember most was the making fun of the slow linebackers on Miami and Florida State and I guess that was my first foray into "alternative facts." They were talking about guys like Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, etc. and they were comparing them unfavorably to the average Big Ten linebacker. And we're not talking one or two loudmouths. We're talking literally 25 or 30 people adamantly arguing over this. It's one of the craziest things I've ever experienced. I was literally laughing at them during the debate and in retrospect it seems even more absurd.

However, that's just the Big Ten mentality. I never watched the Rose Bowl growing up. It never meant anything with regard to the national championship picture. I always watched the Orange Bowl or the Sugar Bowl because that's who was usually determining who was winning the national championship. And when the Fiesta Bowl started to host that game more often than not, that's the game I watched.

I never cared about UCLA versus Michigan or Washington versus Illinois with nothing of substance on the line. That meant nothing to me. We usually ate dinner during the Rose Bowl.

When I told my B1G fan friends that fact they literally did not believe me. They thought I was making it all up just to mess with them. It was just incomprehensible to them that a big college football fan like me would not watch the Rose Bowl.

That's why I laugh whenever they then turn around and complain about the arrogance of Notre Dame. Don't get me wrong, Notre Dame IS absolutely as arrogant as hell. However, whenever a fan of Ohio State or Michigan or Penn State is complaining about the pompousness and arrogance of Notre Dame, that sounds a lot to me like your neighbor with the souped up Porsche complaining about how showy and image-conscious your other neighbor is with the souped up Tesla.

It is precisely THAT mentality that fosters things like stealing a name from a previously established University and then turning around and suing them because they have the unmitigated temerity to use their own name.

I don't think I've ever watched a Rose Bowl that wasn't the national Championship. Only one that really stands out to me is there year TCU won, and I think I only caught the 4th quarter.

(07-29-2017 11:45 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 01:09 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I happened to be a student at Ohio University at the time of that dispute in the late 90s and it was completely absurd. Basically, Ohio University, which for a long time went informally by the nicknames "OU" or "Ohio U" decided to brand its apparel as simply "Ohio." It also switched logos from this one...



...or this one...


...to this one...


Ohio State then stepped in and tried to put a stop to it claiming that it was THE Ohio State University and had all rights to the name Ohio in college branding. Ohio U then counter-sued, claiming that Ohio State could not call their famous halftime celebration "Script Ohio" or even call the legendary "Horseshoe" Ohio Stadium.

The problem was before Ohio University adopted that first logo, it had these two - which proved that it was always Ohio after all.





They settled after about a year-and-a-half with both sides essentially dropping their lawsuits towards the other. The side effect was that every Scarlet and Gray yahoo in the world started calling it "THE Ohio State University" out of some sense of defiance/school pride.

Just imagine how arrogant you have to be think that you're the rightful owner of the name of a school that was founded 66yrs before yours. Does Michigan St refer to itself as Michigan, Florida St as Florida.., etc. Its beyond arrogant.

That is why I was so happy that Rufus(Ohio's Mascot) took out Brutus. I showed the Bobcats all the love that week