...football soon to be a thing of the past....better learn to love Soccer.

http://www.sunherald.com/sports/article1...8.html#fmp

(07-25-2017 05:06 PM)Nuggets Ghost Wrote:  ...football soon to be a thing of the past....

Thank God.

(07-25-2017 05:06 PM)Nuggets Ghost Wrote:  ...football soon to be a thing of the past....better learn to love Soccer.

http://www.sunherald.com/sports/article1...8.html#fmp

you weren't in the banned cave that long.....

it's gonna be interesting when the penultimate folk break off and how the leftovers realign.....

some schools are chomping at those footsy scholly dollars if they drop foosball....then you can kiss tittie IX in the crotch with conviction....

hell, I got to practice with the club team in my teens......it was a fk'n blast.....great guys, great times those were....

'course there is now a ****-brain mausoleum where that once occurred.....

what a sell0ut for prime real estate.....

watch it happen.....we can't compete in this arena long term.....

(07-25-2017 05:15 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 05:06 PM)Nuggets Ghost Wrote:  ...football soon to be a thing of the past....

Thank God.

(07-25-2017 05:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 05:06 PM)Nuggets Ghost Wrote:  ...football soon to be a thing of the past....better learn to love Soccer.

http://www.sunherald.com/sports/article1...8.html#fmp

you weren't in the banned cave that long.....

it's gonna be interesting when the penultimate folk break off and how the leftovers realign.....

some schools are chomping at those footsy scholly dollars if they drop foosball....then you can kiss tittie IX in the crotch with conviction....

hell, I got to practice with the club team in my teens......it was a fk'n blast.....great guys, great times those were....

'course there is now a ****-brain mausoleum where that once occurred.....

what a sell0ut for prime real estate.....

watch it happen.....we can't compete in this arena long term.....

...there's a possibility that I agree with whatever it is you just said.

OK, Football at least has some great moments.

(07-25-2017 05:53 PM)Nuggets Ghost Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 05:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 05:06 PM)Nuggets Ghost Wrote:  ...football soon to be a thing of the past....better learn to love Soccer.

http://www.sunherald.com/sports/article1...8.html#fmp

you weren't in the banned cave that long.....

it's gonna be interesting when the penultimate folk break off and how the leftovers realign.....

some schools are chomping at those footsy scholly dollars if they drop foosball....then you can kiss tittie IX in the crotch with conviction....

hell, I got to practice with the club team in my teens......it was a fk'n blast.....great guys, great times those were....

'course there is now a ****-brain mausoleum where that once occurred.....

what a sell0ut for prime real estate.....

watch it happen.....we can't compete in this arena long term.....

...there's a possibility that I agree with whatever it is you just said.

wrote it just fo' yo' sanskrit

Quote:McKee cautions that the study has some limitations and doesn’t attempt to pinpoint a CTE rate. The brains studied were mostly donated by concerned families, which means they weren’t random and not necessarily representative of all men who have played football.

“A family is much more likely to donate if they’re concerned about their loved one - if they’re exhibiting symptoms or signs that are concerning them, or if they died accidentally or especially if they committed suicide,” she said. “It skews for accidental deaths, suicide and individuals with disabling or discomforting symptoms."

This is a major flaw in every CTE & football study since the first time Dr. Omalu put a slide of Mike Webster's brain tissue under a microscope. They're all working backwards from a conclusion instead of isolating variables to prove legitimate causality. Webster himself was a known drug addict with a deep family history of neuropsychological issues. A sh*tload of the football players who have been the subjects of these studies were also on steroids for long periods of time and/or had substance abuse issues. That could be what screwed their brains up for all we know considering none of these post-mortem "Yes or no: do they have it?" studies ever account for such things. More recent and scientifically sound studies by the likes of the Mayo Clinic and WHO trying to establish a significant, definite link between concussion--regardless of the cause--and long-term degenerative effects are painting a much different picture.

A very recent article in the Journal of Neurology, Nuerosurgery, and Psychiatry came down hard on the conclusions being drawn and publicized over the past few years. One oft-quoted study it noted professed that of 3349 retired NFL players studied, those having died from Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and ALS amounted to 3 times that of the general population. Granted, that meant a whopping 17 people out of 3349 as opposed to 6 people out of 3349, and among those same 3349, the overall death rate of the retired pro players, adjusted for age, was half that of the general population (296 had already outlived their non-NFL-playing peers at the time of the research), but, hey, good luck getting Junior's mom to tune into or click on some boring headline about NFL players living longer than everybody else.

You can read the article in Medscape if you're willing to create a login & password. The title is "Concussion, Dementia and CTE: Are We Getting It Very Wrong?"

Even besides that, times have changed. Assessment & treatment are vastly different now that they were when these skulls on the autopsy table played. There's literally no comparison yet between the guy 30 years ago who blacked out for 15 seconds, answered correctly to "Do you see fingers?" when he woke up, and didn't miss another play the rest of the season and somebody who gets knocked a little loopy then sits out of contact until he passes numerous benchmarks confirming full recovery, as is the case today.

(07-25-2017 11:10 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

Quote:McKee cautions that the study has some limitations and doesn’t attempt to pinpoint a CTE rate. The brains studied were mostly donated by concerned families, which means they weren’t random and not necessarily representative of all men who have played football.

“A family is much more likely to donate if they’re concerned about their loved one - if they’re exhibiting symptoms or signs that are concerning them, or if they died accidentally or especially if they committed suicide,” she said. “It skews for accidental deaths, suicide and individuals with disabling or discomforting symptoms."

This is a major flaw in every CTE & football study since the first time Dr. Omalu put a slide of Mike Webster's brain tissue under a microscope. They're all working backwards from a conclusion instead of isolating variables to prove legitimate causality. Webster himself was a known drug addict with a deep family history of neuropsychological issues. A sh*tload of the football players who have been the subjects of these studies were also on steroids for long periods of time and/or had substance abuse issues. That could be what screwed their brains up for all we know considering none of these post-mortem "Yes or no: do they have it?" studies ever account for such things. More recent and scientifically sound studies by the likes of the Mayo Clinic and WHO trying to establish a significant, definite link between concussion--regardless of the cause--and long-term degenerative effects are painting a much different picture.

A very recent article in the Journal of Neurology, Nuerosurgery, and Psychiatry came down hard on the conclusions being drawn and publicized over the past few years. One oft-quoted study it noted professed that of 3349 retired NFL players studied, those having died from Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and ALS amounted to 3 times that of the general population. Granted, that meant a whopping 17 people out of 3349 as opposed to 6 people out of 3349, and among those same 3349, the overall death rate of the retired pro players, adjusted for age, was half that of the general population (296 had already outlived their non-NFL-playing peers at the time of the research), but, hey, good luck getting Junior's mom to tune into or click on some boring headline about NFL players living longer than everybody else.

You can read the article in Medscape if you're willing to create a login & password. The title is "Concussion, Dementia and CTE: Are We Getting It Very Wrong?"

Even besides that, times have changed. Assessment & treatment are vastly different now that they were when these skulls on the autopsy table played. There's literally no comparison yet between the guy 30 years ago who blacked out for 15 seconds, answered correctly to "Do you see fingers?" when he woke up, and didn't miss another play the rest of the season and somebody who gets knocked a little loopy then sits out of contact until he passes numerous benchmarks confirming full recovery, as is the case today.

another solid post HP.....thank you!

You could prove it caused it 100% and people wouldn't stop playing. They'd continue to try to make the game safer, but every player knows the risks they take when they step on that field.

Limit them to 5 year careers.

Problem solved.

(07-26-2017 12:42 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Limit them to 5 year careers.

Problem solved.

ranks right up there thinking pabst is award winning and this guy....

These players can either ***** about their headaches yet at the same time refuse to retire until they're almost dead OR

the league makes them quit after 5 years to avoid having to pay them out decades later

What is the prevalence of CTE for men in general? I mean did they do a study on men that did not play football? Not a scientist but I think that is called a control.

(07-26-2017 07:00 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  What is the prevalence of CTE for men in general? I mean did they do a study on men that did not play football?

...they can start with these cabbage brained ediots on here.

(07-26-2017 07:11 PM)Nuggets Ghost Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 07:00 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  What is the prevalence of CTE for men in general? I mean did they do a study on men that did not play football?

...they can start with these cabbage brained ediots on here.

HEEEYYYY!! That's MISTER Cabbage Brained Idiot to you, tough guy!

(07-26-2017 07:00 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  What is the prevalence of CTE for men in general? I mean did they do a study on men that did not play football? Not a scientist but I think that is called a control.

As a rule, the studies that get all the publicity don't control for jack. Like the researcher said, thus far, they've largely only done post-mortems on the handful of guys who were known to have been fudged up in the head. The thousands of others who were exposed to the same environment and died in their sleep in their 80s and the people with the same ailment despite never having played a contact sport? Eh, they're not important. It's like saying "1/3 of drivers killed in car accidents had drugs in their system, so driving must contribute to drug use."

The reasearch is beyond FUBARed. One group even did a study where they had neuropathologists identify CTE in brain images of patients about whom they were given no other information (including the average age of the patients being 70), and a fair number of the neuropathologists misdiagnosed patients with run-of-the-mill Alzheimer's as having CTE apparently simply because that's for what they were asked to look.

Is getting your brain scrambled repeatedly for years at a time bad for you? Intuitively, probably so, but it's a hell of big leap from that to "don't let your kid play football or hockey because he'll commit a murder-suicide when he's 40."

(07-27-2017 01:53 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 07:00 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  What is the prevalence of CTE for men in general? I mean did they do a study on men that did not play football? Not a scientist but I think that is called a control.

As a rule, the studies that get all the publicity don't control for jack. Like the researcher said, thus far, they've largely only done post-mortems on the handful of guys who were known to have been fudged up in the head. The thousands of others who were exposed to the same environment and died in their sleep in their 80s and the people with the same ailment despite never having played a contact sport? Eh, they're not important. It's like saying "1/3 of drivers killed in car accidents had drugs in their system, so driving must contribute to drug use."

The reasearch is beyond FUBARed. One group even did a study where they had neuropathologists identify CTE in brain images of patients about whom they were given no other information (including the average age of the patients being 70), and a fair number of the neuropathologists misdiagnosed patients with run-of-the-mill Alzheimer's as having CTE apparently simply because that's for what they were asked to look.

Is getting your brain scrambled repeatedly for years at a time bad for you? Intuitively, probably so, but it's a hell of big leap from that to "don't let your kid play football or hockey because he'll commit a murder-suicide when he's 40."

#tainted .......... @constipated