(07-23-2017 02:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  No it should not be played. The Big Ten has no business playing the MAC in a bowl game.

As is, the Quick Lane bowl should be discontinued and moved to Chicago Wrigley Field. I wouldn't mind keeping it vs the ACC, though.

Why? The SEC plays the AAC in Birmingham. Pac-12 plays MWC in Vegas. ACC plays AAC for the Military Bowl. The Big Ten and Big 12 switch off for Heart of Dallas if they get enough eligible teams. All three MAC-B1G matchups were close and drew no less than 46K fans (34K if you include the Minnesota-CMU Quick Lane game), and shorter travel distance keeps costs down for the bowl and colleges all around.

And who the hell wants to sit outside at Wrigley for three hours in December? I've lived in Chicago, there aren't many hotels in Lakeview and parking is generally a nightmare, at least everything in Detroit is downtown. If you thought Maryland-BC was bad indoors (19K announced) just wait until something like Rutgers-Wake Forest comes around.

(07-23-2017 05:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 04:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  A significant improvement in the AAC bowl line up would require something out of the box. I think their best chance is to work directly with a network to create a new bowl for thier champ with an unbalanced 4-5 million dollar payout. The P5 would get 4 million and the AAC 1 million--a new bowl offering something like that might gain traction with a P5.

Otherwise, about all the AAC can do is incremental improvement. Try to land a few more full time ties in bowls with P5 opponents (like Ft Worth and the Heart of Dallas). Maybe use the unbalanced payout strategy to get the ACC to play in St Pete every year. Dump Hawaii and Boca. Add NOLA as one of their G5 vs G5 bowls. Its closer destination for more schools. Make a play for the Indy Bowl...maybe Aresco gets lucky there. If all else fails, I do think a series of bowls pitting G5 champs would be attractive to some network (the UH vs SDSU game in Vegas got great ratings). A G5 bowl for the AAC champ would represent a major failure for Aresco (even if it paid well), but it could feasibly be the only move left on the table if nothing falls his way. Like I said, I see some opportunities for some incremental improvement---but I dont see any Liberty/Belk level bowls without some sort of direct involvement with a network (which is fairly unlikley).

I don't know how accommodating the P5s are going to be towards Aresco when time comes to resign bowl agreements. I don't think they have been amused by the AAC's "P6" campaign.

I have my doubts that the AAC is going to get better bowls but I can assure you the P5 commissioners, presidents, etc could care less what the AAC is saying. The only people it really seems to bother are the G4 schools/fans and a group of P5 fans on this board. Why that is I have no idea but certainly funny to read.

(07-23-2017 06:16 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 02:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  No it should not be played. The Big Ten has no business playing the MAC in a bowl game.

As is, the Quick Lane bowl should be discontinued and moved to Chicago Wrigley Field. I wouldn't mind keeping it vs the ACC, though.

Why? The SEC plays the AAC in Birmingham. Pac-12 plays MWC in Vegas. ACC plays AAC for the Military Bowl. The Big Ten and Big 12 switch off for Heart of Dallas if they get enough eligible teams. All three MAC-B1G matchups were close and drew no less than 46K fans (34K if you include the Minnesota-CMU Quick Lane game), and shorter travel distance keeps costs down for the bowl and colleges all around.

And who the hell wants to sit outside at Wrigley for three hours in December? I've lived in Chicago, there aren't many hotels in Lakeview and parking is generally a nightmare, at least everything in Detroit is downtown. If you thought Maryland-BC was bad indoors (19K announced) just wait until something like Rutgers-Wake Forest comes around.

As you see with my original 2020 list below, I think Detroit or teams may move. I could see SC also make a play for this bowl or teams as well as St. Pete. I do agree MAC makes perfect sense to be one of the Detroit bowl teams. I think MWC would be a good opponent. Even if this bowl went to Chicago, I would say MWC and MAC fans are better suited for the cold than ACC fans.
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Tier 1 1-3
(Locked in until 2019-2020)
1. Orange - ACC Champ vs SEC, B10, ND (No Change)
1B. BWW FKA Citrus if B10 goest to Orange vs ACC (No Change)

Proposed change to Tier 1
2. Tampa/Jax vs SEC (B10 and SEC agree to 3 years at each bowl. Jax will need to up payout to me Tampa)
3. CW Orlando/Liberty bowl vs B12 -(SEC and ACC agree to 3 years at each bowl)

Mid-Tier 4-7
- Belk vs SEC
- Sun vs P12
- Pinstripe vs B10
- Nashville vs (SEC or B10)
Bottom-Tier 8-10
8. Liberty/HOD vs B12 (SEC and ACC appear every 3 years
9. Detroit vs B10 (Think this may move locations, St. Pete? )
10. Indy/Military vs AAC (SEC and ACC appear every 3 years)

(07-23-2017 05:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 04:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  A significant improvement in the AAC bowl line up would require something out of the box. I think their best chance is to work directly with a network to create a new bowl for thier champ with an unbalanced 4-5 million dollar payout. The P5 would get 4 million and the AAC 1 million--a new bowl offering something like that might gain traction with a P5.

Otherwise, about all the AAC can do is incremental improvement. Try to land a few more full time ties in bowls with P5 opponents (like Ft Worth and the Heart of Dallas). Maybe use the unbalanced payout strategy to get the ACC to play in St Pete every year. Dump Hawaii and Boca. Add NOLA as one of their G5 vs G5 bowls. Its closer destination for more schools. Make a play for the Indy Bowl...maybe Aresco gets lucky there. If all else fails, I do think a series of bowls pitting G5 champs would be attractive to some network (the UH vs SDSU game in Vegas got great ratings). A G5 bowl for the AAC champ would represent a major failure for Aresco (even if it paid well), but it could feasibly be the only move left on the table if nothing falls his way. Like I said, I see some opportunities for some incremental improvement---but I dont see any Liberty/Belk level bowls without some sort of direct involvement with a network (which is fairly unlikley).

I don't know how accommodating the P5s are going to be towards Aresco when time comes to resign bowl agreements. I don't think they have been amused by the AAC's "P6" campaign.

I doubt the AAC will have much success upgrading to a mid-level bowl against a P5 either---but the P5 angst over the "P6" campaign will have zero to do with it. The P5 likely haven't spent 2 seconds thinking about the AAC's marketing campaign. Do you think the Game of Thrones producers spend much time worrying about the marketing campaign for "Bloodline"? I doubt it.

MAC bowl lineup. I say go the Aresco route and try to pry a spot from the P5 for the champion.

1. Independence vs. ACC (ACC willing to go MAC as a counterweight to AAC)
2. Mobile vs. SBC (Bowl has been good to the MAC)
3. Bahamas vs. CUSA (Cool destination)
4. Hawaii vs. MWC (Cooler destination)
5. Charleston vs. SBC (Nice start up opportunity)

The Independence selection from the ACC up to #7 ahead of Pinstripe and Military Bowls since the MAC would be sending its non-CFP conference champion to this game.

Keep the lineup at 5 bowls to have the ability to move an 11 or 12 win champion into an at-large slot in another game.

I suspect to P5 will create some new bowl games which will put existing contracts at the lower end at doubt. Also tighter certification rules will force the P5 to pull back its total number of contracts somewhat.

(07-23-2017 11:26 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I'm under no illusion that's ever going to happen, so here's what I'd say for the 'realistic' scenario:
1. Detroit vs Big Ten - A few more games like last year (who wants to see Maryland vs BC in Detroit?) and there's a small chance they'd take us back.
2. Boca vs AAC - It worked out great for us when Toledo played Temple.
3. Mobile vs Sun Belt - Same rationale as above.
4. Hawaii vs MWC - Would be a lot better than Boise.
5. Bahamas vs C-USA - Sure beats the midwest in December.

Let's say Aresco is successful in prying the Sun Bowl from the ACC.

They would likely have to give up an existing arrangement and I'm thinking Hawaii could be a possible for the MAC here. MAC might have to remain in Potato as a favor to get the Hawaii bowl and I'm ok with that.

I heard a rumor the MAC and ACC are working on a bowl in St. Louis. Could be interesting the way that town supports its sports teams. If so, it could be from a higher ACC selection (higher than what they are doing with the AAC).

Boca is a CUSA bowl. The AAC I bet will want to play opposite CUSA in this game with it being in South Florida after the loss of Miami Beach.

With SBC we have Mobile and Montgomery. SBC is in the Arizona Bowl to help out the MWC but I bet would like something in Charleston. MWC is hurting for opponents.

Current:
Hawaii MWC vs. AAC
Boise MWC vs. MAC
Arizona MWC vs. SBC

Future:
Hawaii MWC vs. MAC
Boise MWC vs. CUSA
Arizona MWC vs. MAC
Charleston MAC vs. SBC

That would give the SBC New Orleans, Mobile, Montgomery, Charleston and Orlando for bowl games. A tight lineup for their footprint.

CUSA may be in the position of having to accept the last slots available instead this time. MAC could stay in Boise just as a favor to the MWC though. It's hard to say.

(07-23-2017 10:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 11:26 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I'm under no illusion that's ever going to happen, so here's what I'd say for the 'realistic' scenario:
1. Detroit vs Big Ten - A few more games like last year (who wants to see Maryland vs BC in Detroit?) and there's a small chance they'd take us back.
2. Boca vs AAC - It worked out great for us when Toledo played Temple.
3. Mobile vs Sun Belt - Same rationale as above.
4. Hawaii vs MWC - Would be a lot better than Boise.
5. Bahamas vs C-USA - Sure beats the midwest in December.

Let's say Aresco is successful in prying the Sun Bowl from the ACC.

They would likely have to give up an existing arrangement and I'm thinking Hawaii could be a possible for the MAC here. MAC might have to remain in Potato as a favor to get the Hawaii bowl and I'm ok with that.

I heard a rumor the MAC and ACC are working on a bowl in St. Louis. Could be interesting the way that town supports its sports teams. If so, it could be from a higher ACC selection (higher than what they are doing with the AAC).

Boca is a CUSA bowl. The AAC I bet will want to play opposite CUSA in this game with it being in South Florida after the loss of Miami Beach.

With SBC we have Mobile and Montgomery. SBC is in the Arizona Bowl to help out the MWC but I bet would like something in Charleston. MWC is hurting for opponents.

Current:
Hawaii MWC vs. AAC
Boise MWC vs. MAC
Arizona MWC vs. SBC

Future:
Hawaii MWC vs. MAC
Boise MWC vs. CUSA
Arizona MWC vs. MAC
Charleston MAC vs. SBC

That would give the SBC New Orleans, Mobile, Montgomery, Charleston and Orlando for bowl games. A tight lineup for their footprint.

CUSA may be in the position of having to accept the last slots available instead this time. MAC could stay in Boise just as a favor to the MWC though. It's hard to say.

Frisco would be a good place for an AAC vs MW matchup. That pairing is an interesting TV draw as they dont really play all that much---but the logistics arent very good. Play that MW/AAC game in that tiny Frisco stadium, and the AAC team (plus some local fans) will fill up almost all the seats. The MW team just needs to have 2 to 3 thousand show up for a sell out. Its one of the few places where an AAC vs MW game might actually make sense economically.

Kit Cat
Mac has to get back in Detriot, B-10 ruined that game
Hawaii would be nice pick up for MAC vs MWC
I like MAC in Moble, Montgomery & Boise

We will not get a guaranteed access bowl, Not going to happen this go round.

We won't get a cream of the top outside of access either.

Best hope is we snatch one from the next group, ideally with a 2 mil pay out to each school. We can always agree to take 1.25 to 1.5 mil, and thus increase the payout to 2.5 to 2.75 mil for the P5 school. The perfect deal would be 2 or 3 bowls signing on where the AAC, SEC, and another play 2 or 3 years in each bowl. Bowls at this level, Liberty, Orlando #2 bowl, Sun bowl, Would need a 4-6 seed from P5.

U pull that off, for champ/#2 every year, along with shared access bowl, Keeping St Pete, Navy bowl, Birmingham, pull off a switch of the new tex bowl, for HOD, then just fill in the holes below, 3-5 P5 schools every year, and further remove yourself from G-4.
We will not make any giant leaps from one deal to the next, but it is very possible to keep G4 flat, while we step up TV deal a rung and bowl deals up a rung.

(07-24-2017 12:33 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Kit Cat
Mac has to get back in Detriot, B-10 ruined that game
Hawaii would be nice pick up for MAC vs MWC
I like MAC in Moble, Montgomery & Boise

MAC is already in Detroit of the MAC Championship. Last year 45,000 were in attendance.

I wouldnt be surprised to see the Montgomery Bowl move to Charleston now that South Carolina is permitted to host NCAA championships.

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(07-24-2017 10:31 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 12:33 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Kit Cat
Mac has to get back in Detriot, B-10 ruined that game
Hawaii would be nice pick up for MAC vs MWC
I like MAC in Moble, Montgomery & Boise

MAC is already in Detroit of the MAC Championship. Last year 45,000 were in attendance.

I wouldnt be surprised to see the Montgomery Bowl move to Charleston now that South Carolina is permitted to host NCAA championships.

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Frisco would also be a good landing spot for the MAC vs CUSA or AAC. Good TV matchup that doesnt take too many people to fill (and its not ridiculously far from some MAC schools).

if I had my druthers, I'd want the Liberty Bowl back in C-USA...

1) C-USA gets the Liberty bowl back. (vs. SEC or ACC)
2) Heart of Dallas (Vs. B12 or B10)
3) New Orleans (Vs. Sun Belt)
4) Boca (Vs. AAC)
5) Independence Bowl (vs. ACC or SEC)
6) Bahamas (vs. MAC or MWC)

What I wish?

New Orleans vs SEC/B12
Mobile vs MAC #1 (or #2 if MAC gets Access bid)
Montgomery vs CUSA #3/4
Orlando vs AAC
Frisco vs MWC #4/5/6


If Myrtle Beach gets a bowl, make that the bowl vs CUSA #2/3/4

(07-24-2017 12:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 10:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 11:26 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I'm under no illusion that's ever going to happen, so here's what I'd say for the 'realistic' scenario:
1. Detroit vs Big Ten - A few more games like last year (who wants to see Maryland vs BC in Detroit?) and there's a small chance they'd take us back.
2. Boca vs AAC - It worked out great for us when Toledo played Temple.
3. Mobile vs Sun Belt - Same rationale as above.
4. Hawaii vs MWC - Would be a lot better than Boise.
5. Bahamas vs C-USA - Sure beats the midwest in December.

Let's say Aresco is successful in prying the Sun Bowl from the ACC.

They would likely have to give up an existing arrangement and I'm thinking Hawaii could be a possible for the MAC here. MAC might have to remain in Potato as a favor to get the Hawaii bowl and I'm ok with that.

I heard a rumor the MAC and ACC are working on a bowl in St. Louis. Could be interesting the way that town supports its sports teams. If so, it could be from a higher ACC selection (higher than what they are doing with the AAC).

Boca is a CUSA bowl. The AAC I bet will want to play opposite CUSA in this game with it being in South Florida after the loss of Miami Beach.

With SBC we have Mobile and Montgomery. SBC is in the Arizona Bowl to help out the MWC but I bet would like something in Charleston. MWC is hurting for opponents.

Current:
Hawaii MWC vs. AAC
Boise MWC vs. MAC
Arizona MWC vs. SBC

Future:
Hawaii MWC vs. MAC
Boise MWC vs. CUSA
Arizona MWC vs. MAC
Charleston MAC vs. SBC

That would give the SBC New Orleans, Mobile, Montgomery, Charleston and Orlando for bowl games. A tight lineup for their footprint.

CUSA may be in the position of having to accept the last slots available instead this time. MAC could stay in Boise just as a favor to the MWC though. It's hard to say.

Frisco would be a good place for an AAC vs MW matchup. That pairing is an interesting TV draw as they dont really play all that much---but the logistics arent very good. Play that MW/AAC game in that tiny Frisco stadium, and the AAC team (plus some local fans) will fill up almost all the seats. The MW team just needs to have 2 to 3 thousand show up for a sell out. Its one of the few places where an AAC vs MW game might actually make sense economically.

Those Liberty Bowl years when the CUSA champ vs MWC champ played each other were good. Those bowls were well attended. I think an AAC vs MWC matchup in Ft Worth would work too. Wasn't that where TCU (MWC) vs Houston (CUSA) in 07 or 08 was? Or am I thinking of the Bowl in Houston...That was one of the better attended bowls that year.

As much as I'd like to see more G5 winner vs G5 winner bowls there is more money in sending them to face 6-6 P5s. I wish it weren't the case. I feel like it's a no win scenario when you play those schools. If you lose the G5 looks bad and if you win everyone says the P5 wasn't motivated, was having a down year, etc.

For the MW.
Fiesta: MW #1 vs P5 #2 or #3
Arizona: MW#2 vs P5 #4 or #5
Frisco: MW vs AAC
NM: MW vs CUSA
Las Vegas: MW vs B1G (Lv moves up if becomes major bowl or moves closer to NYD)
Hawaii: Haw vs at large (HI is default unless they are #1)

Since Fiesta is not available till next CFP contract.
CFP Bowl: MW Champ.
Arizona: MW #1 vs P5 #2 or #3
Frisco: MW vs AAC
New Mex: MW vs CUSA
Las Vegas: MW vs B1G (LV moves up if they change date to after Christmas)
Hawaii: Haw vs at large ( HI is default unless they are the champ)
Sun or Holiday Bowl: MW vs Big 12

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(07-24-2017 12:55 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  if I had my druthers, I'd want the Liberty Bowl back in C-USA...

1) C-USA gets the Liberty bowl back. (vs. SEC or ACC)
2) Heart of Dallas (Vs. B12 or B10)
3) New Orleans (Vs. Sun Belt)
4) Boca (Vs. AAC)
5) Independence Bowl (vs. ACC or SEC)
6) Bahamas (vs. MAC or MWC)

Liberty would not ever go back to CUSA. If it stepped down, which is not likely, it would grab AAC. The biggest challenge for CUSA this go round, will be holding on to HOD bowl.

(07-26-2017 08:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 12:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 10:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 11:26 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I'm under no illusion that's ever going to happen, so here's what I'd say for the 'realistic' scenario:
1. Detroit vs Big Ten - A few more games like last year (who wants to see Maryland vs BC in Detroit?) and there's a small chance they'd take us back.
2. Boca vs AAC - It worked out great for us when Toledo played Temple.
3. Mobile vs Sun Belt - Same rationale as above.
4. Hawaii vs MWC - Would be a lot better than Boise.
5. Bahamas vs C-USA - Sure beats the midwest in December.

Let's say Aresco is successful in prying the Sun Bowl from the ACC.

They would likely have to give up an existing arrangement and I'm thinking Hawaii could be a possible for the MAC here. MAC might have to remain in Potato as a favor to get the Hawaii bowl and I'm ok with that.

I heard a rumor the MAC and ACC are working on a bowl in St. Louis. Could be interesting the way that town supports its sports teams. If so, it could be from a higher ACC selection (higher than what they are doing with the AAC).

Boca is a CUSA bowl. The AAC I bet will want to play opposite CUSA in this game with it being in South Florida after the loss of Miami Beach.

With SBC we have Mobile and Montgomery. SBC is in the Arizona Bowl to help out the MWC but I bet would like something in Charleston. MWC is hurting for opponents.

Current:
Hawaii MWC vs. AAC
Boise MWC vs. MAC
Arizona MWC vs. SBC

Future:
Hawaii MWC vs. MAC
Boise MWC vs. CUSA
Arizona MWC vs. MAC
Charleston MAC vs. SBC

That would give the SBC New Orleans, Mobile, Montgomery, Charleston and Orlando for bowl games. A tight lineup for their footprint.

CUSA may be in the position of having to accept the last slots available instead this time. MAC could stay in Boise just as a favor to the MWC though. It's hard to say.

Frisco would be a good place for an AAC vs MW matchup. That pairing is an interesting TV draw as they dont really play all that much---but the logistics arent very good. Play that MW/AAC game in that tiny Frisco stadium, and the AAC team (plus some local fans) will fill up almost all the seats. The MW team just needs to have 2 to 3 thousand show up for a sell out. Its one of the few places where an AAC vs MW game might actually make sense economically.

Those Liberty Bowl years when the CUSA champ vs MWC champ played each other were good. Those bowls were well attended. I think an AAC vs MWC matchup in Ft Worth would work too. Wasn't that where TCU (MWC) vs Houston (CUSA) in 07 or 08 was? Or am I thinking of the Bowl in Houston...That was one of the better attended bowls that year.

Must not have been a big deal. Both conferences walked away and neither has expressed any interest in restarting the match-up. I think the reality is the two conferences don't share a footprint and the matchup simply isnt exciting enough to attract large numbers of fans to travel a long distances to see it. A G5 vs G5 matchup---especially for the AAC---can be had inn the immediate footprint---where it would be far more attractive to AAC fans. Basically, the Liberty location worked fine for the CUSA, but not so much for the MW. Worse yet, CUSA was just as happy with a P5 opponent for their champ (same went for the MW, who got a P5 opponent AND a game in thier footprint).

(07-28-2017 07:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 12:55 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  if I had my druthers, I'd want the Liberty Bowl back in C-USA...

1) C-USA gets the Liberty bowl back. (vs. SEC or ACC)
2) Heart of Dallas (Vs. B12 or B10)
3) New Orleans (Vs. Sun Belt)
4) Boca (Vs. AAC)
5) Independence Bowl (vs. ACC or SEC)
6) Bahamas (vs. MAC or MWC)

Liberty would not ever go back to CUSA. If it stepped down, which is not likely, it would grab AAC. The biggest challenge for CUSA this go round, will be holding on to HOD bowl.

The HOD isn't going anywhere. C-USA is located in Dallas and has several large regional programs that can draw crowds to this game. The only way C-USA loses this game is if the HOD has a chance to make it a P5 vs. P5 bowl.

I know the AAC can't be happy about having to sell their premier bowl to ESPN and move it to a soccer stadium in Frisco, but that is what you have. Make the most of it.