(07-26-2017 09:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  As much as I'd like to see more G5 winner vs G5 winner bowls there is more money in sending them to face 6-6 P5s. I wish it weren't the case. I feel like it's a no win scenario when you play those schools. If you lose the G5 looks bad and if you win everyone says the P5 wasn't motivated, was having a down year, etc.

I wish that wasn't the case also. Back in the day, a MW champ vs WAC Champ would be perfect in my opinion.
There would be some great matchups and proven by the attendance and ratings of the Poinsettia and Fiesta Bowls that had Boise St vs TCU.

(07-28-2017 02:22 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 07:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 12:55 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  if I had my druthers, I'd want the Liberty Bowl back in C-USA...

1) C-USA gets the Liberty bowl back. (vs. SEC or ACC)
2) Heart of Dallas (Vs. B12 or B10)
3) New Orleans (Vs. Sun Belt)
4) Boca (Vs. AAC)
5) Independence Bowl (vs. ACC or SEC)
6) Bahamas (vs. MAC or MWC)

Liberty would not ever go back to CUSA. If it stepped down, which is not likely, it would grab AAC. The biggest challenge for CUSA this go round, will be holding on to HOD bowl.

The HOD isn't going anywhere. C-USA is located in Dallas and has several large regional programs that can draw crowds to this game. The only way C-USA loses this game is if the HOD has a chance to make it a P5 vs. P5 bowl.

I know the AAC can't be happy about having to sell their premier bowl to ESPN and move it to a soccer stadium in Frisco, but that is what you have. Make the most of it.

The HOD signed CUSA when Banowsky was commissioner of the conference and was also the head of the Heart of Dallas charity. That incestuous relationship no longer exists.

I wouldnt get too comfortable with that postseason destination. Chances are these are the last 3 years CUSA will have it. I'd also add that Delany and Aresco are close friends. If the Big 10 says they want to play the AAC rather than CUSA----then the AAC will be in that bowl---simple as that. They arent going to risk that Big10 tie.

As for Frisco, maybe CUSA can land that when they lose the HOD. My gut says the bowl is just passing through Dallas and will end up elsewhere---likely someplace with a more suitable venue.

(07-28-2017 11:11 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 08:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 12:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 10:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 11:26 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I'm under no illusion that's ever going to happen, so here's what I'd say for the 'realistic' scenario:
1. Detroit vs Big Ten - A few more games like last year (who wants to see Maryland vs BC in Detroit?) and there's a small chance they'd take us back.
2. Boca vs AAC - It worked out great for us when Toledo played Temple.
3. Mobile vs Sun Belt - Same rationale as above.
4. Hawaii vs MWC - Would be a lot better than Boise.
5. Bahamas vs C-USA - Sure beats the midwest in December.

Let's say Aresco is successful in prying the Sun Bowl from the ACC.

They would likely have to give up an existing arrangement and I'm thinking Hawaii could be a possible for the MAC here. MAC might have to remain in Potato as a favor to get the Hawaii bowl and I'm ok with that.

I heard a rumor the MAC and ACC are working on a bowl in St. Louis. Could be interesting the way that town supports its sports teams. If so, it could be from a higher ACC selection (higher than what they are doing with the AAC).

Boca is a CUSA bowl. The AAC I bet will want to play opposite CUSA in this game with it being in South Florida after the loss of Miami Beach.

With SBC we have Mobile and Montgomery. SBC is in the Arizona Bowl to help out the MWC but I bet would like something in Charleston. MWC is hurting for opponents.

Current:
Hawaii MWC vs. AAC
Boise MWC vs. MAC
Arizona MWC vs. SBC

Future:
Hawaii MWC vs. MAC
Boise MWC vs. CUSA
Arizona MWC vs. MAC
Charleston MAC vs. SBC

That would give the SBC New Orleans, Mobile, Montgomery, Charleston and Orlando for bowl games. A tight lineup for their footprint.

CUSA may be in the position of having to accept the last slots available instead this time. MAC could stay in Boise just as a favor to the MWC though. It's hard to say.

Frisco would be a good place for an AAC vs MW matchup. That pairing is an interesting TV draw as they dont really play all that much---but the logistics arent very good. Play that MW/AAC game in that tiny Frisco stadium, and the AAC team (plus some local fans) will fill up almost all the seats. The MW team just needs to have 2 to 3 thousand show up for a sell out. Its one of the few places where an AAC vs MW game might actually make sense economically.

Those Liberty Bowl years when the CUSA champ vs MWC champ played each other were good. Those bowls were well attended. I think an AAC vs MWC matchup in Ft Worth would work too. Wasn't that where TCU (MWC) vs Houston (CUSA) in 07 or 08 was? Or am I thinking of the Bowl in Houston...That was one of the better attended bowls that year.

Must not have been a big deal. Both conferences walked away and neither has expressed any interest in restarting the match-up. I think the reality is the two conferences don't share a footprint and the matchup simply isnt exciting enough to attract large numbers of fans to travel a long distances to see it. A G5 vs G5 matchup---especially for the AAC---can be had inn the immediate footprint---where it would be far more attractive to AAC fans. Basically, the Liberty location worked fine for the CUSA, but not so much for the MW. Worse yet, CUSA was just as happy with a P5 opponent for their champ (same went for the MW, who got a P5 opponent AND a game in thier footprint).

Yeah, you are right. Moving foward it really doesn't make any sense for an AAC vs MWC bowl matchup...

(07-28-2017 07:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 11:11 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 08:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 12:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 10:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Let's say Aresco is successful in prying the Sun Bowl from the ACC.

They would likely have to give up an existing arrangement and I'm thinking Hawaii could be a possible for the MAC here. MAC might have to remain in Potato as a favor to get the Hawaii bowl and I'm ok with that.

I heard a rumor the MAC and ACC are working on a bowl in St. Louis. Could be interesting the way that town supports its sports teams. If so, it could be from a higher ACC selection (higher than what they are doing with the AAC).

Boca is a CUSA bowl. The AAC I bet will want to play opposite CUSA in this game with it being in South Florida after the loss of Miami Beach.

With SBC we have Mobile and Montgomery. SBC is in the Arizona Bowl to help out the MWC but I bet would like something in Charleston. MWC is hurting for opponents.

Current:
Hawaii MWC vs. AAC
Boise MWC vs. MAC
Arizona MWC vs. SBC

Future:
Hawaii MWC vs. MAC
Boise MWC vs. CUSA
Arizona MWC vs. MAC
Charleston MAC vs. SBC

That would give the SBC New Orleans, Mobile, Montgomery, Charleston and Orlando for bowl games. A tight lineup for their footprint.

CUSA may be in the position of having to accept the last slots available instead this time. MAC could stay in Boise just as a favor to the MWC though. It's hard to say.

Frisco would be a good place for an AAC vs MW matchup. That pairing is an interesting TV draw as they dont really play all that much---but the logistics arent very good. Play that MW/AAC game in that tiny Frisco stadium, and the AAC team (plus some local fans) will fill up almost all the seats. The MW team just needs to have 2 to 3 thousand show up for a sell out. Its one of the few places where an AAC vs MW game might actually make sense economically.

Those Liberty Bowl years when the CUSA champ vs MWC champ played each other were good. Those bowls were well attended. I think an AAC vs MWC matchup in Ft Worth would work too. Wasn't that where TCU (MWC) vs Houston (CUSA) in 07 or 08 was? Or am I thinking of the Bowl in Houston...That was one of the better attended bowls that year.

Must not have been a big deal. Both conferences walked away and neither has expressed any interest in restarting the match-up. I think the reality is the two conferences don't share a footprint and the matchup simply isnt exciting enough to attract large numbers of fans to travel a long distances to see it. A G5 vs G5 matchup---especially for the AAC---can be had inn the immediate footprint---where it would be far more attractive to AAC fans. Basically, the Liberty location worked fine for the CUSA, but not so much for the MW. Worse yet, CUSA was just as happy with a P5 opponent for their champ (same went for the MW, who got a P5 opponent AND a game in thier footprint).

Yeah, you are right. Moving foward it really doesn't make any sense for an AAC vs MWC bowl matchup...

Frisco is the only place that makes sense for a low end MW-AAC bowl. Chiwawa Stadium can be easily sold out by any of the AAC west teams---so it doesnt matter if few MW travelers show up.

(07-28-2017 08:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 07:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 11:11 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 08:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 12:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Frisco would be a good place for an AAC vs MW matchup. That pairing is an interesting TV draw as they dont really play all that much---but the logistics arent very good. Play that MW/AAC game in that tiny Frisco stadium, and the AAC team (plus some local fans) will fill up almost all the seats. The MW team just needs to have 2 to 3 thousand show up for a sell out. Its one of the few places where an AAC vs MW game might actually make sense economically.

Those Liberty Bowl years when the CUSA champ vs MWC champ played each other were good. Those bowls were well attended. I think an AAC vs MWC matchup in Ft Worth would work too. Wasn't that where TCU (MWC) vs Houston (CUSA) in 07 or 08 was? Or am I thinking of the Bowl in Houston...That was one of the better attended bowls that year.

Must not have been a big deal. Both conferences walked away and neither has expressed any interest in restarting the match-up. I think the reality is the two conferences don't share a footprint and the matchup simply isnt exciting enough to attract large numbers of fans to travel a long distances to see it. A G5 vs G5 matchup---especially for the AAC---can be had inn the immediate footprint---where it would be far more attractive to AAC fans. Basically, the Liberty location worked fine for the CUSA, but not so much for the MW. Worse yet, CUSA was just as happy with a P5 opponent for their champ (same went for the MW, who got a P5 opponent AND a game in thier footprint).

Yeah, you are right. Moving foward it really doesn't make any sense for an AAC vs MWC bowl matchup...

Frisco is the only place that makes sense for a low end MW-AAC bowl. Chiwawa Stadium can be easily sold out by any of the AAC west teams---so it doesnt matter if few MW travelers show up.

Yep. Do you think it's a done deal that it'll be BYU vs AAC in Frisco for now?

(07-28-2017 08:14 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 08:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 07:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 11:11 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-26-2017 08:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Those Liberty Bowl years when the CUSA champ vs MWC champ played each other were good. Those bowls were well attended. I think an AAC vs MWC matchup in Ft Worth would work too. Wasn't that where TCU (MWC) vs Houston (CUSA) in 07 or 08 was? Or am I thinking of the Bowl in Houston...That was one of the better attended bowls that year.

Must not have been a big deal. Both conferences walked away and neither has expressed any interest in restarting the match-up. I think the reality is the two conferences don't share a footprint and the matchup simply isnt exciting enough to attract large numbers of fans to travel a long distances to see it. A G5 vs G5 matchup---especially for the AAC---can be had inn the immediate footprint---where it would be far more attractive to AAC fans. Basically, the Liberty location worked fine for the CUSA, but not so much for the MW. Worse yet, CUSA was just as happy with a P5 opponent for their champ (same went for the MW, who got a P5 opponent AND a game in thier footprint).

Yeah, you are right. Moving foward it really doesn't make any sense for an AAC vs MWC bowl matchup...

Frisco is the only place that makes sense for a low end MW-AAC bowl. Chiwawa Stadium can be easily sold out by any of the AAC west teams---so it doesnt matter if few MW travelers show up.

Yep. Do you think it's a done deal that it'll be BYU vs AAC in Frisco for now?

I keep hearing its a good possibility, but common sense tells me BYU will end up in a larger venue. AAC vs MW or AAC vs MAC makes the most sense to me.

(07-28-2017 09:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 08:14 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 08:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 07:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 11:11 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Must not have been a big deal. Both conferences walked away and neither has expressed any interest in restarting the match-up. I think the reality is the two conferences don't share a footprint and the matchup simply isnt exciting enough to attract large numbers of fans to travel a long distances to see it. A G5 vs G5 matchup---especially for the AAC---can be had inn the immediate footprint---where it would be far more attractive to AAC fans. Basically, the Liberty location worked fine for the CUSA, but not so much for the MW. Worse yet, CUSA was just as happy with a P5 opponent for their champ (same went for the MW, who got a P5 opponent AND a game in thier footprint).

Yeah, you are right. Moving foward it really doesn't make any sense for an AAC vs MWC bowl matchup...

Frisco is the only place that makes sense for a low end MW-AAC bowl. Chiwawa Stadium can be easily sold out by any of the AAC west teams---so it doesnt matter if few MW travelers show up.

Yep. Do you think it's a done deal that it'll be BYU vs AAC in Frisco for now?

I keep hearing its a good possibility, but common sense tells me BYU will end up in a larger venue. AAC vs MW or AAC vs MAC makes the most sense to me.

The extension ESPN and BYU guaranteed ESPN would place an eligible BYU team in one of their bowls over the next two years. Since Frisco has "At-Large Bid", it would seem logical BYU would at worse get the Frisco bowl in 2017 or 18 or ESPN moves another G5 to Frisco to open a spot for a BYU eligible team.

ESPN owned bowls
Armed Forces Bowl
Birmingham Bowl
Bahamas Bowl
Boca Raton Bowl
Camellia Bowl
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl
Frisco Bowl
Hawaiʻi Bowl
Heart of Dallas Bowl
Las Vegas Bowl
New Mexico Bowl
St. Petersburg Bowl
Texas

(07-28-2017 07:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 02:22 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-28-2017 07:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 12:55 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  if I had my druthers, I'd want the Liberty Bowl back in C-USA...

1) C-USA gets the Liberty bowl back. (vs. SEC or ACC)
2) Heart of Dallas (Vs. B12 or B10)
3) New Orleans (Vs. Sun Belt)
4) Boca (Vs. AAC)
5) Independence Bowl (vs. ACC or SEC)
6) Bahamas (vs. MAC or MWC)

Liberty would not ever go back to CUSA. If it stepped down, which is not likely, it would grab AAC. The biggest challenge for CUSA this go round, will be holding on to HOD bowl.

The HOD isn't going anywhere. C-USA is located in Dallas and has several large regional programs that can draw crowds to this game. The only way C-USA loses this game is if the HOD has a chance to make it a P5 vs. P5 bowl.

I know the AAC can't be happy about having to sell their premier bowl to ESPN and move it to a soccer stadium in Frisco, but that is what you have. Make the most of it.

The HOD signed CUSA when Banowsky was commissioner of the conference and was also the head of the Heart of Dallas charity. That incestuous relationship no longer exists.

I wouldnt get too comfortable with that postseason destination. Chances are these are the last 3 years CUSA will have it. I'd also add that Delany and Aresco are close friends. If the Big 10 says they want to play the AAC rather than CUSA----then the AAC will be in that bowl---simple as that. They arent going to risk that Big10 tie.

As for Frisco, maybe CUSA can land that when they lose the HOD. My gut says the bowl is just passing through Dallas and will end up elsewhere---likely someplace with a more suitable venue.

CUSA is not losing the HOD Bowl.

(07-28-2017 07:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 12:55 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  if I had my druthers, I'd want the Liberty Bowl back in C-USA...

1) C-USA gets the Liberty bowl back. (vs. SEC or ACC)
2) Heart of Dallas (Vs. B12 or B10)
3) New Orleans (Vs. Sun Belt)
4) Boca (Vs. AAC)
5) Independence Bowl (vs. ACC or SEC)
6) Bahamas (vs. MAC or MWC)

Liberty would not ever go back to CUSA. If it stepped down, which is not likely, it would grab AAC. The biggest challenge for CUSA this go round, will be holding on to HOD bowl.

Knight, I'm not saying it would go back to C-USA, this was just based on what we "wanted".

I don't think CUSA will lose their access to the HOD anytime soon, but even if they did, there's NO way they'd want to go with the 'Frisco bowl... the complaints would match those of the Hawaii Bowl when it was a regular destination for the conference.

If anything they'd make more of a play for the Myrtle Beach one if it had come to fruition.