(07-24-2017 11:12 AM)7 Wrote:  Good Christ

I hope one day we can look back on all this Maction crap and laugh. That's my hope, probably won't happen though

(07-24-2017 11:20 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 11:12 AM)7 Wrote:  Good Christ

I hope one day we can look back on all this Maction crap and laugh. That's my hope, probably won't happen though

Only if/when we get out of the MAC. Until then, it will probably get worse. Soon we will have one or no games on Saturdays.

(07-24-2017 11:20 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 11:12 AM)7 Wrote:  Good Christ

I hope one day we can look back on all this Maction crap and laugh. That's my hope, probably won't happen though

This is one thing we agree on, the TV contract has almost entirely eliminated MAC fansbases

(07-24-2017 09:58 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 09:29 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 08:35 AM)7 Wrote:  Unless this is totally a bit, which is possible coming from you MD, I don't see how anyone could sit here and thinking Frazier is good with mediocrity. I'm not saying he's a perfect AD, but if anything he's too optimistic/unrealistic about how good NIU can be.

Yeah because I'm known on here for doing bits, give me a break. I just meant Frazier is not comfortable with letting Carey go. Carey is the alpha male in the that relationship. Now fans are another story, if Frazier could fire fans we would be long gone by now

To put the fan base into terms like the coach or team, the fan base went 2-10 last year. They should be fired. Tell me all about how it's maction and then explain why Toledo still draws 17k/weeknight game. WMU 20+k/weeknight game. I'm not sure either teams coaches or ADs would be an upgrade, but either of those fan bases would be a huge upgrade over NIUs fan base.

Because their alumni are unemployed thus making the day of the week irrelevant.

(07-24-2017 11:36 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 11:20 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 11:12 AM)7 Wrote:  Good Christ

I hope one day we can look back on all this Maction crap and laugh. That's my hope, probably won't happen though

Only if/when we get out of the MAC. Until then, it will probably get worse. Soon we will have one or no games on Saturdays.

Unless your WMU.
I hope they pay for the bias now that PJ left.

Also there are probably a lot of Toledo fans that actually live in Toledo, so don't have a long commute to the game. We have people mostly coming from Chicago or suburbs which is a bit tougher.

(07-24-2017 12:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Also there are probably a lot of Toledo fans that actually live in Toledo, so don't have a long commute to the game. We have people mostly coming from Chicago or suburbs which is a bit tougher.

Toledo Population ~ 279,000
DeKalb Population ~ 43,000

The real reason is that there is just nothing to do in Toledo. It's definitely not like DeKalb/Sycamore that offers a plethora of opportunities for entertainment and even self-amusement. In Toledo, it's either go to a football game or watch sewage flow down the curbs.

I hear they're opening up a Grotto in Toledo.

I didn't see much of the spring ball but just based on HS film I have no idea how Childers is not the run away best option

(07-24-2017 01:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I hear they're opening up a Grotto in Toledo.

That's it. Now watch Toledo's football attendance plummet. When you have a choice of watching the Rockets or have a hands-on experience at an establishment of self-amusement, is there really a choice?

(07-23-2017 08:28 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 08:21 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 07:54 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 07:11 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 03:59 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Yeah every first down will be a struggle, NIU is going to have to rely on BC errors or the defense putting them into good field position situations to score points. BC will be able to completely commit to stopping the run in this game

How are you sure of this? Every year is different. New players, new identity. We know BC is known for their defense, so I'm not expecting a high scoring game. But I'm also not expecting the offense to be totally flat at HUSKIE stadium. The environment matters. I think playing at home gives us a edge.

Well 2 big reasons I feel this way, first and foremost is the head coach is the same, I have no confidence in the future until Carey is gone. Second, NIU has no playmakers on offense, probably the first time since midway through the injury riddled year of Novak's last season. Having said that, the only small thing that could give some tiny tiny ray of hope is if Childers gets a chance to start. If Graham starts vs BC , I am not even sure I can watch one game this year, we know the outcome already. At least lets learn what we have instead of confirming what we already know we don't have with Graham. Graham is a GREAT person to have as backup, but its time to give someone else a chance.

You're still pouting about the Ohio state and BC games of 2015. You think somehow Carey "sabotaged" the offenses in those games. Do you bother to look at things like the top team in total defense in 2015 was BC. And Ohio state was #9? Hare was a decent MAC QB, but not a guy who could sit back and carve up top 10 defenses. NIU averaged 31 pts a game last year with 4 different qbs. No playmakers? Huff has a career ypc 6.9. That's a full yard more than Turner and a half yard more than Wolfe. The offense will be fine. It will sputter a little vs BC, and struggle at Nebraska. That happens when you face more talented teams. Remember to always wear your MAC glasses when you look at this team.

The BC and Ohio St games were wake up calls to me about Carey. It was funny to see how a usually opinionless broadcast team for that OSU game was in disbelief on how NIU approached that game offensively. I don't think Carey is comfortable with success because it brings high expectations which are hard for a coach to live up to. I honestly believe he is much more comfortable in the swamp of mediocrity NIU football has descended to. That is not a winning formula going forward.

One announcer kept saying Carey should go for it, but the other guy disagreed. In most cases I agreed with Carey actually. It's one thing to throw out stats for all of college football saying when to go for it on 4th and 2 from your own territory, it's another to try that against one of the best defenses in the country. You can kinda throw out the stats in that scenario.

(07-24-2017 02:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 08:28 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 08:21 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 07:54 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 07:11 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  How are you sure of this? Every year is different. New players, new identity. We know BC is known for their defense, so I'm not expecting a high scoring game. But I'm also not expecting the offense to be totally flat at HUSKIE stadium. The environment matters. I think playing at home gives us a edge.

Well 2 big reasons I feel this way, first and foremost is the head coach is the same, I have no confidence in the future until Carey is gone. Second, NIU has no playmakers on offense, probably the first time since midway through the injury riddled year of Novak's last season. Having said that, the only small thing that could give some tiny tiny ray of hope is if Childers gets a chance to start. If Graham starts vs BC , I am not even sure I can watch one game this year, we know the outcome already. At least lets learn what we have instead of confirming what we already know we don't have with Graham. Graham is a GREAT person to have as backup, but its time to give someone else a chance.

You're still pouting about the Ohio state and BC games of 2015. You think somehow Carey "sabotaged" the offenses in those games. Do you bother to look at things like the top team in total defense in 2015 was BC. And Ohio state was #9? Hare was a decent MAC QB, but not a guy who could sit back and carve up top 10 defenses. NIU averaged 31 pts a game last year with 4 different qbs. No playmakers? Huff has a career ypc 6.9. That's a full yard more than Turner and a half yard more than Wolfe. The offense will be fine. It will sputter a little vs BC, and struggle at Nebraska. That happens when you face more talented teams. Remember to always wear your MAC glasses when you look at this team.

The BC and Ohio St games were wake up calls to me about Carey. It was funny to see how a usually opinionless broadcast team for that OSU game was in disbelief on how NIU approached that game offensively. I don't think Carey is comfortable with success because it brings high expectations which are hard for a coach to live up to. I honestly believe he is much more comfortable in the swamp of mediocrity NIU football has descended to. That is not a winning formula going forward.

One announcer kept saying Carey should go for it, but the other guy disagreed. In most cases I agreed with Carey actually. It's one thing to throw out stats for all of college football saying when to go for it on 4th and 2 from your own territory, it's another to try that against one of the best defenses in the country. You can kinda throw out the stats in that scenario.

Hare does not complete passes rolling out, and that seemed to be the strategy, roll Hare out to either throw it into the ground or take a 2 yard loss to prevent injury. I had no issue with that going into the game, but when it became clear the players were competing that is where you throw out your original white flag plan and compete. The players competed, coaching did not. It was very hard to watch.

(07-24-2017 03:29 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 02:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 08:28 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 08:21 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 07:54 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Well 2 big reasons I feel this way, first and foremost is the head coach is the same, I have no confidence in the future until Carey is gone. Second, NIU has no playmakers on offense, probably the first time since midway through the injury riddled year of Novak's last season. Having said that, the only small thing that could give some tiny tiny ray of hope is if Childers gets a chance to start. If Graham starts vs BC , I am not even sure I can watch one game this year, we know the outcome already. At least lets learn what we have instead of confirming what we already know we don't have with Graham. Graham is a GREAT person to have as backup, but its time to give someone else a chance.

You're still pouting about the Ohio state and BC games of 2015. You think somehow Carey "sabotaged" the offenses in those games. Do you bother to look at things like the top team in total defense in 2015 was BC. And Ohio state was #9? Hare was a decent MAC QB, but not a guy who could sit back and carve up top 10 defenses. NIU averaged 31 pts a game last year with 4 different qbs. No playmakers? Huff has a career ypc 6.9. That's a full yard more than Turner and a half yard more than Wolfe. The offense will be fine. It will sputter a little vs BC, and struggle at Nebraska. That happens when you face more talented teams. Remember to always wear your MAC glasses when you look at this team.

The BC and Ohio St games were wake up calls to me about Carey. It was funny to see how a usually opinionless broadcast team for that OSU game was in disbelief on how NIU approached that game offensively. I don't think Carey is comfortable with success because it brings high expectations which are hard for a coach to live up to. I honestly believe he is much more comfortable in the swamp of mediocrity NIU football has descended to. That is not a winning formula going forward.

One announcer kept saying Carey should go for it, but the other guy disagreed. In most cases I agreed with Carey actually. It's one thing to throw out stats for all of college football saying when to go for it on 4th and 2 from your own territory, it's another to try that against one of the best defenses in the country. You can kinda throw out the stats in that scenario.

Hare does not complete passes rolling out, and that seemed to be the strategy, roll Hare out to either throw it into the ground or take a 2 yard loss to prevent injury. I had no issue with that going into the game, but when it became clear the players were competing that is where you throw out your original white flag plan and compete. The players competed, coaching did not. It was very hard to watch.

When MD says something:

(07-24-2017 03:29 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 02:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 08:28 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 08:21 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 07:54 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Well 2 big reasons I feel this way, first and foremost is the head coach is the same, I have no confidence in the future until Carey is gone. Second, NIU has no playmakers on offense, probably the first time since midway through the injury riddled year of Novak's last season. Having said that, the only small thing that could give some tiny tiny ray of hope is if Childers gets a chance to start. If Graham starts vs BC , I am not even sure I can watch one game this year, we know the outcome already. At least lets learn what we have instead of confirming what we already know we don't have with Graham. Graham is a GREAT person to have as backup, but its time to give someone else a chance.

You're still pouting about the Ohio state and BC games of 2015. You think somehow Carey "sabotaged" the offenses in those games. Do you bother to look at things like the top team in total defense in 2015 was BC. And Ohio state was #9? Hare was a decent MAC QB, but not a guy who could sit back and carve up top 10 defenses. NIU averaged 31 pts a game last year with 4 different qbs. No playmakers? Huff has a career ypc 6.9. That's a full yard more than Turner and a half yard more than Wolfe. The offense will be fine. It will sputter a little vs BC, and struggle at Nebraska. That happens when you face more talented teams. Remember to always wear your MAC glasses when you look at this team.

The BC and Ohio St games were wake up calls to me about Carey. It was funny to see how a usually opinionless broadcast team for that OSU game was in disbelief on how NIU approached that game offensively. I don't think Carey is comfortable with success because it brings high expectations which are hard for a coach to live up to. I honestly believe he is much more comfortable in the swamp of mediocrity NIU football has descended to. That is not a winning formula going forward.

One announcer kept saying Carey should go for it, but the other guy disagreed. In most cases I agreed with Carey actually. It's one thing to throw out stats for all of college football saying when to go for it on 4th and 2 from your own territory, it's another to try that against one of the best defenses in the country. You can kinda throw out the stats in that scenario.

Hare does not complete passes rolling out, and that seemed to be the strategy, roll Hare out to either throw it into the ground or take a 2 yard loss to prevent injury. I had no issue with that going into the game, but when it became clear the players were competing that is where you throw out your original white flag plan and compete. The players competed, coaching did not. It was very hard to watch.

Hare still threw 2 picks and a pick six in that one. Maybe carey wasn't conservative enough lol

(07-24-2017 04:55 PM)7 Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 03:29 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 02:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 08:28 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 08:21 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  You're still pouting about the Ohio state and BC games of 2015. You think somehow Carey "sabotaged" the offenses in those games. Do you bother to look at things like the top team in total defense in 2015 was BC. And Ohio state was #9? Hare was a decent MAC QB, but not a guy who could sit back and carve up top 10 defenses. NIU averaged 31 pts a game last year with 4 different qbs. No playmakers? Huff has a career ypc 6.9. That's a full yard more than Turner and a half yard more than Wolfe. The offense will be fine. It will sputter a little vs BC, and struggle at Nebraska. That happens when you face more talented teams. Remember to always wear your MAC glasses when you look at this team.

The BC and Ohio St games were wake up calls to me about Carey. It was funny to see how a usually opinionless broadcast team for that OSU game was in disbelief on how NIU approached that game offensively. I don't think Carey is comfortable with success because it brings high expectations which are hard for a coach to live up to. I honestly believe he is much more comfortable in the swamp of mediocrity NIU football has descended to. That is not a winning formula going forward.

One announcer kept saying Carey should go for it, but the other guy disagreed. In most cases I agreed with Carey actually. It's one thing to throw out stats for all of college football saying when to go for it on 4th and 2 from your own territory, it's another to try that against one of the best defenses in the country. You can kinda throw out the stats in that scenario.

Hare does not complete passes rolling out, and that seemed to be the strategy, roll Hare out to either throw it into the ground or take a 2 yard loss to prevent injury. I had no issue with that going into the game, but when it became clear the players were competing that is where you throw out your original white flag plan and compete. The players competed, coaching did not. It was very hard to watch.

Hare still threw 2 picks and a pick six in that one. Maybe carey wasn't conservative enough lol

If you recall the Lee pick 6 essentially was jumping the play before it was even run because it was the same damn extension of a running play that NIU always predictably conservatively runs. NIU should have beaten Ohio State by 10. Coaching prevented that