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Tragic and needing some answers to several obvious questions.
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Maybe we could all wait 24 hours before casting aspersions and making wild claims?
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(07-17-2017 08:25 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Maybe we could all wait 24 hours before casting aspersions and making wild claims?

Well, there's no fun in THAT!
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(07-17-2017 08:25 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Maybe we could all wait 24 hours before casting aspersions and making wild claims?

It really is revolting how quick you are to judge when it suits your agenda but when it doesn't THAT is when you preach "let's wait and see"

Meanwhile.....

*Police were trying to determine whether any video of the incident exists. The body cameras of the officers involved were not activated, according to police.*
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(07-17-2017 07:01 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  https://www.yahoo.com/gma/minneapolis-wo...ories.html

Under Obama police were gunning down vets in Henry County outside Atlanta.

http://www.myajc.com/news/crime--law/rel...GGB8R1fNM/

Powell, according to his mother-in-law, Geraldine Huey, had gone outside to investigate a possible intruder.
“He went to see what the dogs were carrying on about,” said Huey, 85, who lives next door. “He (picked) up his gun and when he got to the gate, they shot him.”
She said she heard a “racket” at about 11:30 p.m. Tuesday. But when she couldn’t see any activity she went back to bed.
She woke up to see numerous police cars surrounding the home in the 600 block of Swan Lake Road.
“Every tree was lit up,” Huey said.
She tried to call her daughter’s house but couldn’t get through. Then she went outside but the police wouldn’t allow her access to her daughter.
[/i[i]]“It’s a big mess,” she said. “Police evidently thought they had the right house.”
Powell is an Air Force veteran with three grown children, according to his mother-in-law....

Wednesday morning’s “wrong address” shooting was the second such incident in less than a year. Last August, a DeKalb County officer shot a fellow officer and a homeowner after police were dispatched to the wrong location on a reported burglary call.
And in 2006, 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston was shot and killed when a group of undercover Atlanta police detectives forced their way into her home and she fired a warning shot at them. The detectives were acting on faulty information that illegal drugs would be found at the home. The officers were sentenced to prison for attempting to cover up the botched raid."
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And then they were shooting people who called 911, even when they were still on the 911 call:

http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb-police-re...FfsmHr3bP/

"They said Davis’ girlfriend, April Edwards, who was at the shooting, contends the officer shot without warning after entering the apartment without identifying himself. Edwards, 37, said she and Davis heard the shots at their dog and believed her attacker had returned. Davis picked up a gun and went to investigate. The officer told investigators he banged on the door and shouted, ‘Police’ before entering.
“The police officer’s story varies dramatically from the girlfriend,” said activist Tim Franzen. “But you have to ask, Why would the girlfriend make it up when they are the ones who called police? ”"
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Shop owners are boarding up windows in anticipation of the wave of protests by #whitelivesmatter and #australianlivesmatter.
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(07-17-2017 10:01 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Shipowners are boarding up windows in anticipation of the wave of protests by #whitelivesmatter and #australianlivesmatter.

Touche
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(07-17-2017 09:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 08:25 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Maybe we could all wait 24 hours before casting aspersions and making wild claims?

It really is revolting how quick you are to judge when it suits your agenda but when it doesn't THAT is when you preach "let's wait and see"

Meanwhile.....

*Police were trying to determine whether any video of the incident exists. The body cameras of the officers involved were not activated, according to police.*

I don't post nor reply on your schedule, john.

But thanks for reinforcing, again, why so many people dislike liberals and their demand that everyone do things the way they want, instead of understanding that people have things like jobs and kids and things to do instead of incessantly posting on a schedule deemed appropriate by internet liberals. 03-lmfao
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(07-17-2017 09:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 08:25 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Maybe we could all wait 24 hours before casting aspersions and making wild claims?

It really is revolting how quick you are to judge when it suits your agenda but when it doesn't THAT is when you preach "let's wait and see"

Meanwhile.....

*Police were trying to determine whether any video of the incident exists. The body cameras of the officers involved were not activated, according to police.*

Yeah, I saw that and it jumped out at me.

However, I don't know the law in Minneapolis. Are they required to have them on? If so, how long has that policy been in place? If not, what conditions dictate turning them on or off?

I might find it plausible if one office forgot to turn the body cam on, but it's statistically more questionable if every officer "forgot".
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(07-17-2017 10:14 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 09:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 08:25 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Maybe we could all wait 24 hours before casting aspersions and making wild claims?

It really is revolting how quick you are to judge when it suits your agenda but when it doesn't THAT is when you preach "let's wait and see"

Meanwhile.....

*Police were trying to determine whether any video of the incident exists. The body cameras of the officers involved were not activated, according to police.*

I don't post nor reply on your schedule, john.

But thanks for reinforcing, again, why so many people dislike liberals and their demand that everyone do things the way they want, instead of understanding that people have things like jobs and kids and things to do instead of incessantly posting on a schedule deemed appropriate by internet liberals. 03-lmfao

what does anything about jobs/life have to do with what I said? all I'm pointing out is that it always seems like you only preach "let's wait and see" when it suits your agenda. what does kids, jobs, etc. have anything to do with that?
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(07-17-2017 10:14 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 09:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 08:25 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Maybe we could all wait 24 hours before casting aspersions and making wild claims?

It really is revolting how quick you are to judge when it suits your agenda but when it doesn't THAT is when you preach "let's wait and see"

Meanwhile.....

*Police were trying to determine whether any video of the incident exists. The body cameras of the officers involved were not activated, according to police.*

Yeah, I saw that and it jumped out at me.

However, I don't know the law in Minneapolis. Are they required to have them on? If so, how long has that policy been in place? If not, what conditions dictate turning them on or off?

I might find it plausible if one office forgot to turn the body cam on, but it's statistically more questionable if every officer "forgot".

Could be for any number of reasons.

Because of the cost of storage and/or the amount of available memory in the cameras and/or the battery life of the cameras some departments requires the officers while on routine patrol to turn them off. This cuts down on the total amount of data they have to store and it doesn't require a supervisor to review an entire shift of video, most of which would be looking out the window of a patrol car. Perhaps they had this policy and the officers simply forgot to turn them on in the heat of the moment. I know several officers, firefighters, and medics who despite doing it every time they got out of the car have forgotten to turn on their handheld radio when getting out at an active scene. Our Battalion Chief with the FD was hopping mad at us one night because we didn't answer him only to find out he hadn't turned on his radio when he got out of his truck.

The batteries could have died in the cameras. Because these things cost so much to purchase and most especially to store the data and typically aren't specifically funded without robbing Peter to pay Paul in the department's budget sometimes corners are cut to save a buck and when you buy replacement batteries you get what you pay for. We suffered through that with the FD and off brand replacement batteries for our handhelds. They could show full charge and wouldn't last an hour on an incident. It got so bad that at my station all three shifts pitched in and bought Motorola batteries for all of our handhelds out of our own pocket.

Most dash cams are now set to only activate when either manually turned on or when the emergency lights are activated to reduce the amount of data to be stored. Typically the camera is recording but not saving beyond a set period of time prior to activation. I know ours would automatically save the previous 240 seconds prior to the camera being activated either manually or by the emergency lights.
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(07-17-2017 10:23 AM)john01992 Wrote:  what does anything about jobs/life have to do with what I said? all I'm pointing out is that it always seems like you only preach "let's wait and see" when it suits your agenda. what does kids, jobs, etc. have anything to do with that?

Because maybe I'd post more along the lines of "let's wait and see" if I was posting within a few hours of the news report of a shooting, like I am with this one?

Considering my job and life preclude me from being dialed in enough that I am commenting within minutes of every shooting your concern that I am not copy and pasting "let's wait and see" to every shooting is ridiculous.

And what agenda is there to "let's wait and see?" You must see conservative babadooks under your bed, john. 03-lmfao
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(07-17-2017 10:34 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Most dash cams are now set to only activate when either manually turned on or when the emergency lights are activated to reduce the amount of data to be stored.

Initial reports say this is the case for this shooting.
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Aussie lives matter.
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(07-17-2017 09:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 08:25 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Maybe we could all wait 24 hours before casting aspersions and making wild claims?

It really is revolting how quick you are to judge when it suits your agenda but when it doesn't THAT is when you preach "let's wait and see"

Meanwhile.....

*Police were trying to determine whether any video of the incident exists. The body cameras of the officers involved were not activated, according to police.*

That's one of the questions needing answered. Why were they not turned on? I agree we need to let the investigation into this play out before reaching any conclusions though.
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(07-17-2017 10:34 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 10:14 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 09:56 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 08:25 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Maybe we could all wait 24 hours before casting aspersions and making wild claims?

It really is revolting how quick you are to judge when it suits your agenda but when it doesn't THAT is when you preach "let's wait and see"

Meanwhile.....

*Police were trying to determine whether any video of the incident exists. The body cameras of the officers involved were not activated, according to police.*

Yeah, I saw that and it jumped out at me.

However, I don't know the law in Minneapolis. Are they required to have them on? If so, how long has that policy been in place? If not, what conditions dictate turning them on or off?

I might find it plausible if one office forgot to turn the body cam on, but it's statistically more questionable if every officer "forgot".

Could be for any number of reasons.

Because of the cost of storage and/or the amount of available memory in the cameras and/or the battery life of the cameras some departments requires the officers while on routine patrol to turn them off. This cuts down on the total amount of data they have to store and it doesn't require a supervisor to review an entire shift of video, most of which would be looking out the window of a patrol car. Perhaps they had this policy and the officers simply forgot to turn them on in the heat of the moment. I know several officers, firefighters, and medics who despite doing it every time they got out of the car have forgotten to turn on their handheld radio when getting out at an active scene. Our Battalion Chief with the FD was hopping mad at us one night because we didn't answer him only to find out he hadn't turned on his radio when he got out of his truck.

The batteries could have died in the cameras. Because these things cost so much to purchase and most especially to store the data and typically aren't specifically funded without robbing Peter to pay Paul in the department's budget sometimes corners are cut to save a buck and when you buy replacement batteries you get what you pay for. We suffered through that with the FD and off brand replacement batteries for our handhelds. They could show full charge and wouldn't last an hour on an incident. It got so bad that at my station all three shifts pitched in and bought Motorola batteries for all of our handhelds out of our own pocket.

Most dash cams are now set to only activate when either manually turned on or when the emergency lights are activated to reduce the amount of data to be stored. Typically the camera is recording but not saving beyond a set period of time prior to activation. I know ours would automatically save the previous 240 seconds prior to the camera being activated either manually or by the emergency lights.

Excellent insights. Thanks.
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These officers were glad they had theirs on. A special type of stupid in Alabama.

http://www.al.com/news/anniston-gadsden/...efute.html
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Why are people so quick to blame cops?
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