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RE: Rivalries
And Tulsa isn't a key game? At least UH is guaranteed to play them. Temple is only every couple years.

You won't see much of an attendance bump for Tulsa because they have very few fans, in and out of Oklahoma. You're either being bullish/stubborn or sarcastic.
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RE: Rivalries
(07-17-2017 03:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 02:49 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  Laugh all you want about Tulsa, but it's a rival and not just in football. Tulsa is a thorn in our side in basketball, softball, track and field (their distance program is a threat to our sprint team in racking up points), and tennis. We are often recruiting the same kids as well.

As for football, we've played Tulsa more than anyone. That matters. We've played Temple about 4 or 5 times and we don't even play them regularly in conference because we're in different divisions.

Someone choosing Temple as a rival and mocking the idea that Tulsa could be has clearly been a UH fan for two seasons.

We essentially don't have any rivals other than maybe Rice. Look at attendance figures. If Tulsa was some big rivalry there would be an attendance bump (like you see for the Rice game). The well attended games are key games for the conference race and games against ranked teams. It is what it is. There is no reason to try to puff a bunch of hot air into something trying to make it something it isn't. Coog fans don't see anything special in the Tulsa game. I don't care if we have played them 1000 times prior to today---Coog fans don't get all revved up for that game over all others. That's what rivalry games bring to the table and this one doesn't do it. Maybe one day in the future---but I kinda feel like if it was going to be a thing it would be by now.

Temple's not really a rival. Temple has been a key game in the conference race of late and that game has taken on a higher profile due to that. If either of us were to drop off in importance--the game would likely lose a lot of its attractiveness. The Tulsa game will be important for the same reason this year.

The Rice game sees an attendance bump because most of Rice's fanbase is in Houston. If Tulsa was a school in Houston, you would see an attendance bump. As it is, it's hard for a school as small as ours to bring large traveling crowds 8 hours away.
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RE: Rivalries
(07-16-2017 11:14 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  Really? We started playing you 22 years before you joined the swc, we have played every year except for short periods at the end of the 80s and 90s. Pretty sure you have more games against us than anyone else. We ruined bowl bids and top ten rankings for you. You were the last team to score a 100 points in a game and you did it against us. Both teams have "ran the score up" in recent history. Essentially the thing that has stayed constant for both football programs has been us playing each other through every conference we have been in.

Not saying we have to be a rival, just saying your points for dismisal seem a bit shakey.

When only one side claims its a rivalry it isn't a rivalry....

The fact that we have played you more than any school (as of 2016) means something but Tulsa doesn't even raise our collective pulse. Of the 41 times we played each other 30 were before 1994 and 25 were before 1976. We played on a consistent basis (save a year here and there) from 1950-1975. After that point we only played 16 times of which 11 have been in conference.

If the "rivalry" with Tulsa mattered as much as Hurricane fan wants it to mean don't you think we would have found out a way to play from 1976-2004 OOC more than 5 times over a 26 year period?

As for costing us rankings I beg to differ.... you have played us 6 times where we were ranked and we lost once (1974).

If we lose to you (which does happen) we lost you didn't win (in the eyes of the fanbase).

What did we do wrong to lose to Tulsa? Would be an accurate depiction of what people are saying from the Houston side. If this was a rivalry we could (on some level....) accept that the better team won that day and use it as motivation for next year. That is what a true rivalry is!
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RE: Rivalries
(07-17-2017 03:56 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 03:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 02:49 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  Laugh all you want about Tulsa, but it's a rival and not just in football. Tulsa is a thorn in our side in basketball, softball, track and field (their distance program is a threat to our sprint team in racking up points), and tennis. We are often recruiting the same kids as well.

As for football, we've played Tulsa more than anyone. That matters. We've played Temple about 4 or 5 times and we don't even play them regularly in conference because we're in different divisions.

Someone choosing Temple as a rival and mocking the idea that Tulsa could be has clearly been a UH fan for two seasons.

We essentially don't have any rivals other than maybe Rice. Look at attendance figures. If Tulsa was some big rivalry there would be an attendance bump (like you see for the Rice game). The well attended games are key games for the conference race and games against ranked teams. It is what it is. There is no reason to try to puff a bunch of hot air into something trying to make it something it isn't. Coog fans don't see anything special in the Tulsa game. I don't care if we have played them 1000 times prior to today---Coog fans don't get all revved up for that game over all others. That's what rivalry games bring to the table and this one doesn't do it. Maybe one day in the future---but I kinda feel like if it was going to be a thing it would be by now.

Temple's not really a rival. Temple has been a key game in the conference race of late and that game has taken on a higher profile due to that. If either of us were to drop off in importance--the game would likely lose a lot of its attractiveness. The Tulsa game will be important for the same reason this year.

The Rice game sees an attendance bump because most of Rice's fanbase is in Houston. If Tulsa was a school in Houston, you would see an attendance bump. As it is, it's hard for a school as small as ours to bring large traveling crowds 8 hours away.

If there was a rivalry we'd see a bump from our own fans. That's my point.
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RE: Rivalries
(07-16-2017 01:44 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  We've played Tulsa more than any other team. We've shared 3 different conferences with the Hurricane. The 100-6 game is pretty damn famous to any UH/TU fan with a sense of history.

It's a rivalry. It's just not a fierce one.

Its a series not a rivalry.

Is Notre Dame-Army a rivalry for the Domers (51 games)
Is SMU a rival of A&M (81 games)
Is Rice a rival of the Texas (94 games)

Is Southern Miss a rival of Alabama (43 games) is Tulane (41 games)

I could go on and on but I think I made my point. All these schools have played their "rivals" as much or more than we have Tulsa but I think we can all agree the "rivalry" if there even is one is heavily one sided when it comes to passion for the series.
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(07-17-2017 03:50 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  And Tulsa isn't a key game? At least UH is guaranteed to play them. Temple is only every couple years.

You won't see much of an attendance bump for Tulsa because they have very few fans, in and out of Oklahoma. You're either being bullish/stubborn or sarcastic.

I just said it was a key game and as such it will likely see an attendance bump this year. That matches EXACTLY what I'm been saying. Our rivals are whoever is ahead of us in the standings. There is no rivalry game on our schedule that would generate an extra high level of excitement even if both teams are 2-8 entering the game. That's what a rivalry game is to me. Like I said. If you have to convince fans it's a rivalry---then it isn't a rivalry. If we ever have that again---you'll know it and so will everyone else. 04-cheers
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RE: Rivalries
(07-17-2017 04:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 03:56 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 03:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 02:49 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  Laugh all you want about Tulsa, but it's a rival and not just in football. Tulsa is a thorn in our side in basketball, softball, track and field (their distance program is a threat to our sprint team in racking up points), and tennis. We are often recruiting the same kids as well.

As for football, we've played Tulsa more than anyone. That matters. We've played Temple about 4 or 5 times and we don't even play them regularly in conference because we're in different divisions.

Someone choosing Temple as a rival and mocking the idea that Tulsa could be has clearly been a UH fan for two seasons.

We essentially don't have any rivals other than maybe Rice. Look at attendance figures. If Tulsa was some big rivalry there would be an attendance bump (like you see for the Rice game). The well attended games are key games for the conference race and games against ranked teams. It is what it is. There is no reason to try to puff a bunch of hot air into something trying to make it something it isn't. Coog fans don't see anything special in the Tulsa game. I don't care if we have played them 1000 times prior to today---Coog fans don't get all revved up for that game over all others. That's what rivalry games bring to the table and this one doesn't do it. Maybe one day in the future---but I kinda feel like if it was going to be a thing it would be by now.

Temple's not really a rival. Temple has been a key game in the conference race of late and that game has taken on a higher profile due to that. If either of us were to drop off in importance--the game would likely lose a lot of its attractiveness. The Tulsa game will be important for the same reason this year.

The Rice game sees an attendance bump because most of Rice's fanbase is in Houston. If Tulsa was a school in Houston, you would see an attendance bump. As it is, it's hard for a school as small as ours to bring large traveling crowds 8 hours away.

If there was a rivalry we'd see a bump from our own fans. That's my point.

This is bologna. Attendance in any game has more to do with how a school's own team is doing and the quality of the opponent than anything else. It doesn't matter who the other school is. When you look at rivalries like Kansas vs. Mizzou or Wyoming vs. Colorado State ... those games won't fill up unless both teams are good. Consistent attendance isn't the best definition for a rivalry.
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RE: Rivalries
LOL at UH fans acting as if the Tulsa rivalry is one-sided.

The truth is that for the second year in a row, Tulsa ended with the best overall athletic program in the American. Every other school in this conference looks UP at Tulsa in the Learfield Cup Standings.

The football series record is 23-18. It's close. Much loser than it should be all things considered. The basketball series is even closer, 24-26 but Tulsa leads that one.

Maybe we'd be a better program if we lived in reality rather than in our dreams in which we still think UT and the Farmers are our rivals...
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(07-17-2017 04:36 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  LOL at UH fans acting as if the Tulsa rivalry is one-sided.

The truth is that for the second year in a row, Tulsa ended with the best overall athletic program in the American. Every other school in this conference looks UP at Tulsa in the Learfield Cup Standings.

The football series record is 23-18. It's close. Much loser than it should be all things considered. The basketball series is even closer, 24-26 but Tulsa leads that one.

Maybe we'd be a better program if we lived in reality rather than in our dreams in which we still think UT and the Farmers are our rivals...

I don't think anyone is denying Tulsa has a strong overall athletic program or that we think Texas or A&M consider us rivals.

Though small Tulsa is very diverse. What we are trying to point out is that a rivalry (depending on how you measure it) get yours blood boiling, it gets your pulse up, and its a game you look forward to.

Anything less is a series and Tulsa is our most played series. For every 1 person you could find to say (from the UH side) that this is a rivalry I could swing a stick and find 100 more that say it isn't.

That is about as simple as I can explain it.

Oh and as for that record we are 8-3 (3-0 in the AAC...) since we started played regularly again in 2005. 10 of those loses happened before 1968.

As for attendance I ran the numbers a few years back and just went to finish it through 2016 (last home game) and Tulsa games in Houston average an 18.26% reduction in attendance compared to our overall season attendance figures. This is over the course of 22 home games versus Tulsa from 1950-2016. One game may be an anomaly. Two games may be a fluke, but 22..... I think a legit historical trend is there. Of those 22 games only 3 games saw the Tulsa game exceed our season average (1952, 1966, and 2006).
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(07-17-2017 04:36 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  LOL at UH fans acting as if the Tulsa rivalry is one-sided.

The truth is that for the second year in a row, Tulsa ended with the best overall athletic program in the American. Every other school in this conference looks UP at Tulsa in the Learfield Cup Standings.

The football series record is 23-18. It's close. Much loser than it should be all things considered. The basketball series is even closer, 24-26 but Tulsa leads that one.

Maybe we'd be a better program if we lived in reality rather than in our dreams in which we still think UT and the Farmers are our rivals...

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At this point the rivals in the AAC are those that are close to moving to p5..

As an AAC fan, I want to see success in those teams, but as a UH fan I don't want to see TOO much success in those teams and I think that echoes both ways which creates salty fans and rivalries.

Sorry Tulsa, until I see your name trying to take our spot in a power conference even if we lose to you I'm angry at our team not about playing you.

When we lose to UCF or Memphis I'm pissed at them.
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(07-17-2017 04:58 PM)vcoog Wrote:  At this point the rivals in the AAC are those that are close to moving to p5..

As an AAC fan, I want to see success in those teams, but as a UH fan I don't want to see TOO much success in those teams and I think that echoes both ways which creates salty fans and rivalries.

Sorry Tulsa, until I see your name trying to take our spot in a power conference even if we lose to you I'm angry at our team not about playing you.

When we lose to UCF or Memphis I'm pissed at them.

Well, maybe you should pay some more attention to us... because there's a good chance we're going to start bringing you back down to earth soon. teh Rivalry. Here. Now. Forever!
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Get your pitchforks ready, Tulsa people. I've got an issue with you referring to your school as TU. We are a conference that spreads across half of the US and Tulane University and Temple University are both nationally known way more than Tulsa University. If you were in a regional conference then I'd get it, but not in the AAC. And I'm curious, do people from Tulane or Temple refer to your school as TU?
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I'll weigh in on this Tulsa-Houston thing. I'd say Houston is a rival of Tulsa but not in the OU-Texas sense of the word. It's something smaller than that, but something more than what we have with other teams in the conference. Any AAC team could be called our "conference rival" but I think there's a little more to the Houston game. Not a whole lot but some. I put more weight on our games against SMU too. And to some degree even UCF, ECU, Navy, and Memphis. Now, as a disclaimer, my perspective on these "rivalries" has been formed over what's occurred over just the last 6 or 7 years with a little help from knowing some of our history before then.

P.S. I think Tulsa-Navy has potential to become something. Especially after last year's game.
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(07-17-2017 05:23 PM)Moody Magic Wrote:  Get your pitchforks ready, Tulsa people. I've got an issue with you referring to your school as TU. We are a conference that spreads across half of the US and Tulane University and Temple University are both nationally known way more than Tulsa University. If you were in a regional conference then I'd get it, but not in the AAC. And I'm curious, do people from Tulane or Temple refer to your school as TU?

Been discussed. None of us are giving it up. Get over it.
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GO Coogs GO!! is spot on... What Houston has going with Tulsa is simply a series... I think Tulsa has better luck creating a rivalry with SMU, proximity is on their side with them and both are almost identical.

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(07-17-2017 04:36 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  LOL at UH fans acting as if the Tulsa rivalry is one-sided.

The truth is that for the second year in a row, Tulsa ended with the best overall athletic program in the American. Every other school in this conference looks UP at Tulsa in the Learfield Cup Standings.

The football series record is 23-18. It's close. Much loser than it should be all things considered. The basketball series is even closer, 24-26 but Tulsa leads that one.

Maybe we'd be a better program if we lived in reality rather than in our dreams in which we still think UT and the Farmers are our rivals...

Tulsa has a fantastic athletic program and is a good conference member. I could say the same about virtually all our conference brethren. The question isn't are they a peer program. The question is do the fans see Tulsa as a special rivalry game. They don't. You can get mad at the fans because they don't view that game as being bigger than other games---but I don't know why. It's a waste of time. Just be glad the fan base is growing and be content that the program is progressing. Frankly a lot fans have always viewed Aggie and UT as thier rivals. It's the same situation---lol, those schools probably never saw us as rivals the way we viewed them as rivals. It is what it is. That 100-6 game probably got Tulsa fans angry....but thats not a reason for Coog fans to get all lathered up---it was also ages ago.
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(07-17-2017 06:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 04:36 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  LOL at UH fans acting as if the Tulsa rivalry is one-sided.

The truth is that for the second year in a row, Tulsa ended with the best overall athletic program in the American. Every other school in this conference looks UP at Tulsa in the Learfield Cup Standings.

The football series record is 23-18. It's close. Much loser than it should be all things considered. The basketball series is even closer, 24-26 but Tulsa leads that one.

Maybe we'd be a better program if we lived in reality rather than in our dreams in which we still think UT and the Farmers are our rivals...

Tulsa has a fantastic athletic program and is a good conference member. I could say the same about virtually all our conference brethren. The question isn't are they a peer program. The question is do the fans see Tulsa as a special rivalry game. They don't. You can get mad at the fans because they don't view that game as being bigger than other games---but I don't know why. It's a waste of time. Just be glad the fan base is growing and be content that the program is progressing. Frankly a lot fans have always viewed Aggie and UT as thier rivals. It's the same situation---lol, those schools probably never saw us as rivals the way we viewed them as rivals. It is what it is. That 100-6 game probably got Tulsa fans angry....but thats not a reason for Coog fans to get all lathered up---it was also ages ago.


Just on this thread some fans do some fans dont. . . But historically yes, maybe not you but most people with historic perspective view this as a rivalry, helped along by both teams running up the score.

Is it Texas/OU, michigan/theOSU, or alabama/auburn? No, but i would say its michigan st/notre dame or arkansas/lsu.

If both programs are good its intense, we generally dont care for the other and if one team is good and one bad a lopsided score and a little more bad blood will follow.

Could it be more? Sure if it goes back to what is was 5-10 years ago when graham was our coach and both teams were very good at the same time. I doubt it will ever reach the three i mentioned but it could be good.


I also think memphis and smu are schools we are developing a rivalry with, but they lack some of the long term historic issues.

For God's sake, you food poisoned us!

We ruined a top ten ranking for you the year before (maybe two).
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LOL at people comparing anything in the AAC with Bama-Auburn or OU-Texas. Those schools had played each other 50+ times before we even fielded a team. We're not going to have a rival like that.

Here's who I'd rank as rivals for UH.

Rice- based solely on sharing the same city and our history with the Owls screwing us out of what was supposed to be "Houston Stadium" shared by both schools. Bayou Bucket and Silver Glove get the students fired up.

A&M- While we don't play these days, we did during and before the SWC. The series was super close too until their run as the SWC died out. City vs. Pretend Rednecks.

Texas- No SWC school had a better winning % vs. the Horns than we did and it pissed those entitled b$tches off. We've had several classic games and each of us has blown up the other's chance at undefeated seasons. We've got bleacher gate, the cheating tie game in the 60s, the multiple pick six game in the Dome, and 30-0 (the worst defeat at DKR at the time). The fact the Horns refuse to play us in nearly every sport just fuels the hate on.

SMU- This was never a big game but we do play each other every year and you have Houston vs. Dallas, Public vs. Private, Bud Light vs. Gutter Glitter, etc...

Tulsa- We've played nobody more than the Golden Showers. The football and basketball series is basically a tie. There's bad blood (TU fans, especially old ones, hate us) and the games usually have meaning.

Texas Tech- There's no former SWC-Big 12 school we've played more and the Red Raiders have actually scheduled us unlike those other rat bastards. The fan bases seem to actually get along, but there was no more exciting game at Robertson than the Tech one and I figure the TDECU game this year will rival any home game we've played so far in the new venue.
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(07-17-2017 09:33 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  LOL at people comparing anything in the AAC with Bama-Auburn or OU-Texas. Those schools had played each other 50+ times before we even fielded a team. We're not going to have a rival like that.

Here's who I'd rank as rivals for UH.

Rice- based solely on sharing the same city and our history with the Owls screwing us out of what was supposed to be "Houston Stadium" shared by both schools. Bayou Bucket and Silver Glove get the students fired up.

A&M- While we don't play these days, we did during and before the SWC. The series was super close too until their run as the SWC died out. City vs. Pretend Rednecks.

Texas- No SWC school had a better winning % vs. the Horns than we did and it pissed those entitled b$tches off. We've had several classic games and each of us has blown up the other's chance at undefeated seasons. We've got bleacher gate, the cheating tie game in the 60s, the multiple pick six game in the Dome, and 30-0 (the worst defeat at DKR at the time). The fact the Horns refuse to play us in nearly every sport just fuels the hate on.

SMU- This was never a big game but we do play each other every year and you have Houston vs. Dallas, Public vs. Private, Bud Light vs. Gutter Glitter, etc...

Tulsa- We've played nobody more than the Golden Showers. The football and basketball series is basically a tie. There's bad blood (TU fans, especially old ones, hate us) and the games usually have meaning.

Texas Tech- There's no former SWC-Big 12 school we've played more and the Red Raiders have actually scheduled us unlike those other rat bastards. The fan bases seem to actually get along, but there was no more exciting game at Robertson than the Tech one and I figure the TDECU game this year will rival any home game we've played so far in the new venue.


First I didnt compare us i said we're not those kind of rivals. And speak for coog high if you'd like but TU was playing ball in 1895. We already had an orange bowl appearence and two sugar bowl appearences, and were in the discussion as a national champion, by the time you all started your program.

This is why we dont get along . . .
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