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Air Force Coach Troy Calhoun Floats G5 Playoff Idea
But "playoff creep" has never been a topic involving Group of Five teams. Air Force coach Troy Calhoun has an idea that would change that. In essence, he wants a four-team Group of Five playoff, the winner of which would then move on to an eight-team College Football Playoff featuring the five Power Five conference champs plus two wild card teams. The Colorado Springs Gazette explained Calhoun's theory ...

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-overkill/
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Air Force Coach Troy Calhoun Floats G5 Playoff Idea
The P5 has no intention of expanding the playoff in order to provide G5 guaranteed access
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Make no mistake, any expansion of the playoff will be about money.
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(07-15-2017 05:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  But "playoff creep" has never been a topic involving Group of Five teams. Air Force coach Troy Calhoun has an idea that would change that. In essence, he wants a four-team Group of Five playoff, the winner of which would then move on to an eight-team College Football Playoff featuring the five Power Five conference champs plus two wild card teams. The Colorado Springs Gazette explained Calhoun's theory ...

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-overkill/

It would be a fun event...IF it didn't lead to any sort of situation, or a hypothetical possibility of a Boise run or Utah or TCU run of past dozen or so seasons allowing for those teams get into the current 4 team playoff. Non power teams who would likely have played in the 4 team playoff if it had existed:

2004 Utah team--12-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2008 Utah team--13-0 Sugar Bowl champs
2009 Boise team--14-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2010 TCU team--13-0 Rose Bowl champs
Those teams do don't belong in any 4 team G5 playoff, they belonged with the big boys in the Big Boy Playoff.
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Top two G5 play for the Access spot could happen.

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Just take the top G5 Champ like they do now for the access to a playoff.

NO NEED to have a separate G5 Playoff and get 1 or 2 games of getting beat up before playing in the 8 team playoff.
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(07-15-2017 05:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Just take the top G5 Champ like they do now for the access to a playoff.

NO NEED to have a separate G5 Playoff and get 1 or 2 games of getting beat up before playing in the 8 team playoff.

Thats where I think we are basically headed. Eight team playoff. All 5 P5 champs AQ. Top G5 champ AQ. Two wild cards. First round on the home campus stadium of the higher seeded team of each match-up. First round played the week after Championship Saturday. That extra round basically just snaps onto the existing structure.
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(07-15-2017 05:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Just take the top G5 Champ like they do now for the access to a playoff.

NO NEED to have a separate G5 Playoff and get 1 or 2 games of getting beat up before playing in the 8 team playoff.

Thats where I think we are basically headed. Eight team playoff. All 5 P5 champs AQ. Top G5 champ AQ. Two wild cards.

I hope so. You wouldn't get any argument from me about that setup.
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(07-15-2017 05:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  But "playoff creep" has never been a topic involving Group of Five teams. Air Force coach Troy Calhoun has an idea that would change that. In essence, he wants a four-team Group of Five playoff, the winner of which would then move on to an eight-team College Football Playoff featuring the five Power Five conference champs plus two wild card teams. The Colorado Springs Gazette explained Calhoun's theory ...

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-overkill/

It would be a fun event...IF it didn't lead to any sort of situation, or a hypothetical possibility of a Boise run or Utah or TCU run of past dozen or so seasons allowing for those teams get into the current 4 team playoff. Non power teams who would likely have played in the 4 team playoff if it had existed:

2004 Utah team--12-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2008 Utah team--13-0 Sugar Bowl champs
2009 Boise team--14-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2010 TCU team--13-0 Rose Bowl champs
Those teams do don't belong in any 4 team G5 playoff, they belonged with the big boys in the Big Boy Playoff.

Couldn't disagree more. Only 2010 TCU team would have had any shot of beating top 4 team.
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I'm not sure walling yourself off is a good thing coach.
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(07-15-2017 05:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Just take the top G5 Champ like they do now for the access to a playoff.

NO NEED to have a separate G5 Playoff and get 1 or 2 games of getting beat up before playing in the 8 team playoff.

Maybe that's the point. Since G5 schedules are so thin, "getting beat up" helps level the playing field and avoids giving the G5 a bye into the playoffs.
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(07-15-2017 06:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  But "playoff creep" has never been a topic involving Group of Five teams. Air Force coach Troy Calhoun has an idea that would change that. In essence, he wants a four-team Group of Five playoff, the winner of which would then move on to an eight-team College Football Playoff featuring the five Power Five conference champs plus two wild card teams. The Colorado Springs Gazette explained Calhoun's theory ...

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-overkill/

It would be a fun event...IF it didn't lead to any sort of situation, or a hypothetical possibility of a Boise run or Utah or TCU run of past dozen or so seasons allowing for those teams get into the current 4 team playoff. Non power teams who would likely have played in the 4 team playoff if it had existed:

2004 Utah team--12-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2008 Utah team--13-0 Sugar Bowl champs
2009 Boise team--14-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2010 TCU team--13-0 Rose Bowl champs
Those teams do don't belong in any 4 team G5 playoff, they belonged with the big boys in the Big Boy Playoff.

Couldn't disagree more. Only 2010 TCU team would have had any shot of beating top 4 team.

Then they would have lost. Lots of teams have fared poorly in the playoffs. The fact is, the G5's have pretty consistently done well in their bowl game vs teams they "had no chance" to beat. Let it play out on the field. If they are outclassed---they are outclassed. If the G5 wins---they advance.
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(07-15-2017 06:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  But "playoff creep" has never been a topic involving Group of Five teams. Air Force coach Troy Calhoun has an idea that would change that. In essence, he wants a four-team Group of Five playoff, the winner of which would then move on to an eight-team College Football Playoff featuring the five Power Five conference champs plus two wild card teams. The Colorado Springs Gazette explained Calhoun's theory ...

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-overkill/

It would be a fun event...IF it didn't lead to any sort of situation, or a hypothetical possibility of a Boise run or Utah or TCU run of past dozen or so seasons allowing for those teams get into the current 4 team playoff. Non power teams who would likely have played in the 4 team playoff if it had existed:

2004 Utah team--12-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2008 Utah team--13-0 Sugar Bowl champs
2009 Boise team--14-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2010 TCU team--13-0 Rose Bowl champs
Those teams do don't belong in any 4 team G5 playoff, they belonged with the big boys in the Big Boy Playoff.

Couldn't disagree more. Only 2010 TCU team would have had any shot of beating top 4 team.

Then they would have lost. Lots of teams have fared poorly in the playoffs. The fact is, the G5's have pretty consistently done well in their bowl game vs teams they "had no chance" to beat. Let it play out on the field. If they are outclassed---they are outclassed. If the G5 wins---they advance.

He's made 14 posts and he has "P4" in his handle....I suspect he wants 0 access for any school outside the 4 conferences he roots for, no matter how good they are.
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(07-15-2017 06:06 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Just take the top G5 Champ like they do now for the access to a playoff.

NO NEED to have a separate G5 Playoff and get 1 or 2 games of getting beat up before playing in the 8 team playoff.

Maybe that's the point. Since G5 schedules are so thin, "getting beat up" helps level the playing field and avoids giving the G5 a bye into the playoffs.

Not really necessary since the G5's arent as deep anyway.
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(07-15-2017 06:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  But "playoff creep" has never been a topic involving Group of Five teams. Air Force coach Troy Calhoun has an idea that would change that. In essence, he wants a four-team Group of Five playoff, the winner of which would then move on to an eight-team College Football Playoff featuring the five Power Five conference champs plus two wild card teams. The Colorado Springs Gazette explained Calhoun's theory ...

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-overkill/

It would be a fun event...IF it didn't lead to any sort of situation, or a hypothetical possibility of a Boise run or Utah or TCU run of past dozen or so seasons allowing for those teams get into the current 4 team playoff. Non power teams who would likely have played in the 4 team playoff if it had existed:

2004 Utah team--12-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2008 Utah team--13-0 Sugar Bowl champs
2009 Boise team--14-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2010 TCU team--13-0 Rose Bowl champs
Those teams do don't belong in any 4 team G5 playoff, they belonged with the big boys in the Big Boy Playoff.

Couldn't disagree more. Only 2010 TCU team would have had any shot of beating top 4 team.

Then they would have lost. Lots of teams have fared poorly in the playoffs. The fact is, the G5's have pretty consistently done well in their bowl game vs teams they "had no chance" to beat. Let it play out on the field. If they are outclassed---they are outclassed. If the G5 wins---they advance.

That sounds nice in theory but it doesn't work.

We know these teams are outclassed. We don't need blowouts to prove it.
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(07-15-2017 06:45 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  But "playoff creep" has never been a topic involving Group of Five teams. Air Force coach Troy Calhoun has an idea that would change that. In essence, he wants a four-team Group of Five playoff, the winner of which would then move on to an eight-team College Football Playoff featuring the five Power Five conference champs plus two wild card teams. The Colorado Springs Gazette explained Calhoun's theory ...

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...-overkill/

It would be a fun event...IF it didn't lead to any sort of situation, or a hypothetical possibility of a Boise run or Utah or TCU run of past dozen or so seasons allowing for those teams get into the current 4 team playoff. Non power teams who would likely have played in the 4 team playoff if it had existed:

2004 Utah team--12-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2008 Utah team--13-0 Sugar Bowl champs
2009 Boise team--14-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2010 TCU team--13-0 Rose Bowl champs
Those teams do don't belong in any 4 team G5 playoff, they belonged with the big boys in the Big Boy Playoff.

Couldn't disagree more. Only 2010 TCU team would have had any shot of beating top 4 team.

Then they would have lost. Lots of teams have fared poorly in the playoffs. The fact is, the G5's have pretty consistently done well in their bowl game vs teams they "had no chance" to beat. Let it play out on the field. If they are outclassed---they are outclassed. If the G5 wins---they advance.

That sounds nice in theory but it doesn't work.

We know these teams are outclassed. We don't need blowouts to prove it.

I remember watching the 2009 Sugar Bowl when Barry Switzer working for Fox for the game said "Alabama is going to crush Utah" He basically said the game wasn't worth playing. He was right. Utah outclassed Alabama. I know we didn't need to watch Alabama get outclassed by Utah that night to prove who the better team was...but it was fun to watch a lowly MWC scrub team crush a mighty sec team.
The 2 games Ive made the most money on betting was that Sugar Bowl and the Rose Bowl when TCU beat Whiskey....
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(07-15-2017 06:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:45 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:33 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It would be a fun event...IF it didn't lead to any sort of situation, or a hypothetical possibility of a Boise run or Utah or TCU run of past dozen or so seasons allowing for those teams get into the current 4 team playoff. Non power teams who would likely have played in the 4 team playoff if it had existed:

2004 Utah team--12-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2008 Utah team--13-0 Sugar Bowl champs
2009 Boise team--14-0 Fiesta Bowl champs
2010 TCU team--13-0 Rose Bowl champs
Those teams do don't belong in any 4 team G5 playoff, they belonged with the big boys in the Big Boy Playoff.

Couldn't disagree more. Only 2010 TCU team would have had any shot of beating top 4 team.

Then they would have lost. Lots of teams have fared poorly in the playoffs. The fact is, the G5's have pretty consistently done well in their bowl game vs teams they "had no chance" to beat. Let it play out on the field. If they are outclassed---they are outclassed. If the G5 wins---they advance.

That sounds nice in theory but it doesn't work.

We know these teams are outclassed. We don't need blowouts to prove it.

I remember watching the 2009 Sugar Bowl when Barry Switzer working for Fox for the game said "Alabama is going to crush Utah" He basically said the game wasn't worth playing. He was right. Utah outclassed Alabama. I know we didn't need to watch Alabama get outclassed by Utah that night to prove who the better team was...but it was fun to watch a lowly MWC scrub team crush a mighty sec team.
The 2 games Ive made the most money on betting was that Sugar Bowl and the Rose Bowl when TCU beat Whiskey....

"Remember that one time!"

That's all you have. It's a tired argument.

Exceptions do not make rules.
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(07-15-2017 05:42 PM)MJG Wrote:  Top two G5 play for the Access spot could happen.

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I'd rather have the G5 play-in for 2 access spots.

-8 team playoff.
-8 CFP bowls (add Las Vegas & Tampa)
-Two highest G5 champions earn CFP slots.

That would add drama (interest) to championship week for the G5 with a champ from CUSA/SBC potentially getting in through the back door.

Networks can put up a G5 bracket with the 5 championship games showing the 2 highest rated get in during the conference races in November for some nice publicity.
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(07-15-2017 07:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:45 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  Couldn't disagree more. Only 2010 TCU team would have had any shot of beating top 4 team.

Then they would have lost. Lots of teams have fared poorly in the playoffs. The fact is, the G5's have pretty consistently done well in their bowl game vs teams they "had no chance" to beat. Let it play out on the field. If they are outclassed---they are outclassed. If the G5 wins---they advance.

That sounds nice in theory but it doesn't work.

We know these teams are outclassed. We don't need blowouts to prove it.

I remember watching the 2009 Sugar Bowl when Barry Switzer working for Fox for the game said "Alabama is going to crush Utah" He basically said the game wasn't worth playing. He was right. Utah outclassed Alabama. I know we didn't need to watch Alabama get outclassed by Utah that night to prove who the better team was...but it was fun to watch a lowly MWC scrub team crush a mighty sec team.
The 2 games Ive made the most money on betting was that Sugar Bowl and the Rose Bowl when TCU beat Whiskey....

"Remember that one time!"

That's all you have. It's a tired argument.

Exceptions do not make rules.

Saban is the ultimate exception though when you think about it.

They've pushed the Florida schools around on the recruiting trail in a way few could have predicted possible in this day and age.

He's running an exceptional program more so than riding an exceptional brand.
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(07-15-2017 06:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:06 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 05:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Just take the top G5 Champ like they do now for the access to a playoff.

NO NEED to have a separate G5 Playoff and get 1 or 2 games of getting beat up before playing in the 8 team playoff.

Maybe that's the point. Since G5 schedules are so thin, "getting beat up" helps level the playing field and avoids giving the G5 a bye into the playoffs.

Not really necessary since the G5's arent as deep anyway.

If the playoff moves to Top 8 it automatically makes it more realistic for a G5 to qualify.

Autobids to the playoff or any system which leads to it is what the G5 should avoid at all costs.
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