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FTR, UConn's women made the Final Four last year.
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(07-17-2017 08:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(07-15-2017 09:36 AM)ctx48c Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 09:11 AM)westwolf Wrote:  UConn is not wanted by any P5 conference

UCONN is not AAU
UCONN has a poor football program
UCONN does not have a great market.

You could argue UConn has a market that stretches from New Jersey to Boston. I'd say that's a solid market. Even if exaggerated, they have all of Connecticut and an inroads to NYC, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. You can dock many things but they have a solid market.

Markets don't matter. Fans matter. Random people living in an arbitrarily-defined geographic area doesn't create value.

I agree with that, except that Rutgers got a Big 10 invite seemingly on the NYC market potential given the nature of the BTN's revenue mechanism. I don't think it was because of existing fan interest, but could be wrong.

Well, fan interest is there and it wasn't for many years. Rutgers wouldn't have gotten an invite in 1998 when we drew about 25K / game.

We're also not the Giants, who will always be the most popular football team in New Jersey.

There's enough interest and subscribers to support the Big 10 network revenue model. So we got an invite.
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Geno Auriemma's run at UConn is nothing short of amazing.

But can UConn maintain that level whenever he hangs it up? He's 63 now, so he has another decade, to decade and a half, if he wants it. Which for him, could be another 7,8,9 national championships.

However, honestly, I think this type of dominance CRUSHES the sport. It doesn't enhance it. Men's college basketball took off well after the UCLA dynasty ended. It wasn't until Magic-Bird in 1979 that the ratings really started taking off.

So, while it is BEYOND impressive, what Auriemma has done at UConn ... as others have pointed out, it really is irrelevant when it comes to conference realignment. Women's Hoops just doesn't move the needle. Maybe it will in the future. Who knows.
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(07-17-2017 03:28 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  FTR, UConn's women made the Final Four last year.

So what...... nobody cares.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?


Uconn has value of some sort, but clearly not enough for the P5 to give a schidt or they would have been invited a long time ago. Just like the dumb statement about them being a "Blue Blood" - if they were really that special, the P5 would have been falling all over itself to sign them up.
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(07-18-2017 06:30 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 03:28 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  FTR, UConn's women made the Final Four last year.

So what...... nobody cares.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?


Uconn has value of some sort, but clearly not enough for the P5 to give a schidt or they would have been invited a long time ago. Just like the dumb statement about them being a "Blue Blood" - if they were really that special, the P5 would have been falling all over itself to sign them up.

Obviously, you care. You care a lot. Just the mere mention of UCONN sets you off.
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(07-18-2017 08:43 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 06:30 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 03:28 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  FTR, UConn's women made the Final Four last year.

So what...... nobody cares.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?


Uconn has value of some sort, but clearly not enough for the P5 to give a schidt or they would have been invited a long time ago. Just like the dumb statement about them being a "Blue Blood" - if they were really that special, the P5 would have been falling all over itself to sign them up.

Obviously, you care. You care a lot. Just the mere mention of UCONN sets you off.

While this may be true - it is more in the sense of a car crash. I should avert my eyes, but I just can't help but to look at the carnage....
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YO MAN, AT LEAST U GET GOOD SEATS
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(07-18-2017 06:30 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 03:28 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  FTR, UConn's women made the Final Four last year.

So what...... nobody cares.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?


Uconn has value of some sort, but clearly not enough for the P5 to give a schidt or they would have been invited a long time ago. Just like the dumb statement about them being a "Blue Blood" - if they were really that special, the P5 would have been falling all over itself to sign them up.

The guy said they made the Sweet 16, they made the Final Four this year.
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Outside of Storrs, UConn women's basketball just doesn't bring much to the table. People don't care about women's basketball and I say that as a fan of the school that is the reigning national champs.
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(07-18-2017 04:44 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 06:30 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 03:28 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  FTR, UConn's women made the Final Four last year.

So what...... nobody cares.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?


Uconn has value of some sort, but clearly not enough for the P5 to give a schidt or they would have been invited a long time ago. Just like the dumb statement about them being a "Blue Blood" - if they were really that special, the P5 would have been falling all over itself to sign them up.

The guy said they made the Sweet 16, they made the Final Four this year.

I'll step up and say I'm the guy. My bad, I don't follow WBB at all. I know Uconn was undefeated and lost 1 game. I thought it was in the sweet 16. It was the final 4. I stand corrected.
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(07-17-2017 03:53 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 10:26 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  concerning OP

WBB helps some, but it's not necessarily decisive. Where it helps is putting UConn on the map for most people. While you forget about Boston College or Virginia when the Football and MBB are down, you still remember UConn because it's something special. If the B1G or ACC were looking at UConn, on a 100 point scale their WBB would give them a +5 points. Being a flagship is a +15, to put it in perspective. Football, eyeballs (TV or whatever media), recruiting, and infrastructure will still be the deciding factors.

WBB isn't much of the equation, but it isn't zero. Consider how the P12 advertises that it's the conference of champions by all the obscure events won by Stanford; The B1G or ACC would gladly proclaim WBB dominance with UConn. Again not the top priority, but a "nice" extra.

Being a flagship vs. not being a flagship matters exactly as much as "having a market," which almost matter as much as having a solid WBB program.

The first two are arbitrary and literally have no value, and the 3rd has no material value. "Market" and flagship status are made up, and, at best, poor proxy's for something that's easily measurable.

Penn State, Alabama, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Auburn, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc. aren't less valuable because they're located in the middle of nowhere. Similarly, Rutgers, Northwestern, BC, Rice, Houston, Temple, Vanderbilt, Tulane, UNLV, UCSD, etc. aren't super valuable because they're located in big/huge cities. Their media value is determined by A) the number of people willing to pay for access to the content, and B) the number of people willing to watch their content and then go out and buy the stuff that's being advertised, and neither of those two factors are driven by a school's "market."

Also, flagship vs. no flagship doesn't make sense on its face because not every state designates a flagship, and zero private schools are flagships. At best, flagship status is a proxy for fan support (there's probably a loose correlation between being a flagship and having more fan support) and academic standing (there's probably also a loose correlation between being a flagship and being higher-ranked), but both fan support and academic prestige can be measured far more directly and far more accurately.

Given virtually nobody watches WBB, and even fewer people would be willing to pay for it (see WBB revenues), I have a hard time seeing WBB any higher than a 1 on a scale of 0-100. The other two factors that you listed are obvious 0's.

Agree with you that WBB means a 1 on a 0 to 100 scale.
Disagree with you 100% that being a flagship is arbitrary and has no value. If that's your opinion, I must say my opinion on that is exactly the opposite. I must insist 100% in the opposite direction. If 101% was possible, I'd be 101% positive that you are incorrect in that way of thinking, good Sir.
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I don't think UConn WBB in and of itself brings the school to the Big 10 or ACC, and it might not even be that much of a tiebreaker if it came down to them and other schools for a golden ticket.

That said, don't discount what they can bring as an established brand. I think it's safe to presume that for a large chunk of sports fans, hardcore and casual alike, as well as those with only the faintest interest in sports, UConn not only is the most successful women's basketball program, they ARE women's basketball. Any discussion about women's basketball will always include UConn front and center. If UConn isn't involved in a nationally televised game, they will be talked about and compared to repeatedly. In at least that respect, they are Poochie — whenever they're not on the screen, people will ask "Where's UConn?" You can easily make the case that not only are they the top college women's basketball brand, they may be the top women's team brand at any level, or at least on a short list with U.S. women's soccer and possibly basketball, and those are Olympic-year spikes. Maybe a lot of you don't care about that, but don't think that conference commissioners wouldn't love to put them on the front line of their marketing and communications, especially w/r/t gender equality.

tl;dr UConn women's basketball won't be why UConn gets a P5 invitation, but they'll have more impact than we might think.
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(07-19-2017 07:50 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 03:53 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 10:26 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  concerning OP

WBB helps some, but it's not necessarily decisive. Where it helps is putting UConn on the map for most people. While you forget about Boston College or Virginia when the Football and MBB are down, you still remember UConn because it's something special. If the B1G or ACC were looking at UConn, on a 100 point scale their WBB would give them a +5 points. Being a flagship is a +15, to put it in perspective. Football, eyeballs (TV or whatever media), recruiting, and infrastructure will still be the deciding factors.

WBB isn't much of the equation, but it isn't zero. Consider how the P12 advertises that it's the conference of champions by all the obscure events won by Stanford; The B1G or ACC would gladly proclaim WBB dominance with UConn. Again not the top priority, but a "nice" extra.

Being a flagship vs. not being a flagship matters exactly as much as "having a market," which almost matter as much as having a solid WBB program.

The first two are arbitrary and literally have no value, and the 3rd has no material value. "Market" and flagship status are made up, and, at best, poor proxy's for something that's easily measurable.

Penn State, Alabama, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Auburn, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc. aren't less valuable because they're located in the middle of nowhere. Similarly, Rutgers, Northwestern, BC, Rice, Houston, Temple, Vanderbilt, Tulane, UNLV, UCSD, etc. aren't super valuable because they're located in big/huge cities. Their media value is determined by A) the number of people willing to pay for access to the content, and B) the number of people willing to watch their content and then go out and buy the stuff that's being advertised, and neither of those two factors are driven by a school's "market."

Also, flagship vs. no flagship doesn't make sense on its face because not every state designates a flagship, and zero private schools are flagships. At best, flagship status is a proxy for fan support (there's probably a loose correlation between being a flagship and having more fan support) and academic standing (there's probably also a loose correlation between being a flagship and being higher-ranked), but both fan support and academic prestige can be measured far more directly and far more accurately.

Given virtually nobody watches WBB, and even fewer people would be willing to pay for it (see WBB revenues), I have a hard time seeing WBB any higher than a 1 on a scale of 0-100. The other two factors that you listed are obvious 0's.

Agree with you that WBB means a 1 on a 0 to 100 scale.
Disagree with you 100% that being a flagship is arbitrary and has no value. If that's your opinion, I must say my opinion on that is exactly the opposite. I must insist 100% in the opposite direction. If 101% was possible, I'd be 101% positive that you are incorrect in that way of thinking, good Sir.

Why does it matter, and what about states w/o flagships?
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(07-17-2017 04:34 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 08:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 09:31 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 07:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 09:36 AM)ctx48c Wrote:  UCONN is not AAU
UCONN has a poor football program
UCONN does not have a great market.

You could argue UConn has a market that stretches from New Jersey to Boston. I'd say that's a solid market. Even if exaggerated, they have all of Connecticut and an inroads to NYC, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. You can dock many things but they have a solid market.

Markets don't matter. Fans matter. Random people living in an arbitrarily-defined geographic area doesn't create value.

I agree with that, except that Rutgers got a Big 10 invite seemingly on the NYC market potential given the nature of the BTN's revenue mechanism. I don't think it was because of existing fan interest, but could be wrong.

Well, fan interest is there and it wasn't for many years. Rutgers wouldn't have gotten an invite in 1998 when we drew about 25K / game.

We're also not the Giants, who will always be the most popular football team in New Jersey.

There's enough interest and subscribers to support the Big 10 network revenue model. So we got an invite.

RU was added because of RU's own virtues (RU fan support, local recruiting, etc.) + PSU lobbying w/ a credible threat to leave the conference outweighed the cost of adding RU. I won't speculate how much weight went where, but I'm pretty confident that RU wasn't added because of its TV market.
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(07-19-2017 07:50 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Disagree with you 100% that being a flagship is arbitrary and has no value. If that's your opinion, I must say my opinion on that is exactly the opposite. I must insist 100% in the opposite direction. If 101% was possible, I'd be 101% positive that you are incorrect in that way of thinking, good Sir.

Agreed. It's probably not coincidence that the three most stable power conferences, the SEC, B1G, and PAC, have basically invited nothing but flagships the past 25 years. They clearly seem to have a preference for them.

Now, someone like NZ can argue that what they really have is a preference for a bundle of characteristics, and it's merely coincidental that what we call 'flagships' tend to have them. But that's a distinction without a difference, like someone telling me that I don't really like 'women', just organisms that happen to have the characteristics that women have.
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(07-19-2017 07:50 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 03:53 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 10:26 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  concerning OP

WBB helps some, but it's not necessarily decisive. Where it helps is putting UConn on the map for most people. While you forget about Boston College or Virginia when the Football and MBB are down, you still remember UConn because it's something special. If the B1G or ACC were looking at UConn, on a 100 point scale their WBB would give them a +5 points. Being a flagship is a +15, to put it in perspective. Football, eyeballs (TV or whatever media), recruiting, and infrastructure will still be the deciding factors.

WBB isn't much of the equation, but it isn't zero. Consider how the P12 advertises that it's the conference of champions by all the obscure events won by Stanford; The B1G or ACC would gladly proclaim WBB dominance with UConn. Again not the top priority, but a "nice" extra.

Being a flagship vs. not being a flagship matters exactly as much as "having a market," which almost matter as much as having a solid WBB program.

The first two are arbitrary and literally have no value, and the 3rd has no material value. "Market" and flagship status are made up, and, at best, poor proxy's for something that's easily measurable.

Penn State, Alabama, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Auburn, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc. aren't less valuable because they're located in the middle of nowhere. Similarly, Rutgers, Northwestern, BC, Rice, Houston, Temple, Vanderbilt, Tulane, UNLV, UCSD, etc. aren't super valuable because they're located in big/huge cities. Their media value is determined by A) the number of people willing to pay for access to the content, and B) the number of people willing to watch their content and then go out and buy the stuff that's being advertised, and neither of those two factors are driven by a school's "market."

Also, flagship vs. no flagship doesn't make sense on its face because not every state designates a flagship, and zero private schools are flagships. At best, flagship status is a proxy for fan support (there's probably a loose correlation between being a flagship and having more fan support) and academic standing (there's probably also a loose correlation between being a flagship and being higher-ranked), but both fan support and academic prestige can be measured far more directly and far more accurately.

Given virtually nobody watches WBB, and even fewer people would be willing to pay for it (see WBB revenues), I have a hard time seeing WBB any higher than a 1 on a scale of 0-100. The other two factors that you listed are obvious 0's.

Agree with you that WBB means a 1 on a 0 to 100 scale.
Disagree with you 100% that being a flagship is arbitrary and has no value. If that's your opinion, I must say my opinion on that is exactly the opposite. I must insist 100% in the opposite direction. If 101% was possible, I'd be 101% positive that you are incorrect in that way of thinking, good Sir.

Completely agree.

There are certain values being a flagship has that others do not. If this wasn't the case, then "major" institutions would all be on the same level, which, of course, they are not.

I would say that I still think WBB being a 1 on a scale of 0 to 100 is being generous.
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(07-20-2017 07:33 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(07-19-2017 07:50 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
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(07-16-2017 10:26 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  concerning OP

WBB helps some, but it's not necessarily decisive. Where it helps is putting UConn on the map for most people. While you forget about Boston College or Virginia when the Football and MBB are down, you still remember UConn because it's something special. If the B1G or ACC were looking at UConn, on a 100 point scale their WBB would give them a +5 points. Being a flagship is a +15, to put it in perspective. Football, eyeballs (TV or whatever media), recruiting, and infrastructure will still be the deciding factors.

WBB isn't much of the equation, but it isn't zero. Consider how the P12 advertises that it's the conference of champions by all the obscure events won by Stanford; The B1G or ACC would gladly proclaim WBB dominance with UConn. Again not the top priority, but a "nice" extra.

Being a flagship vs. not being a flagship matters exactly as much as "having a market," which almost matter as much as having a solid WBB program.

The first two are arbitrary and literally have no value, and the 3rd has no material value. "Market" and flagship status are made up, and, at best, poor proxy's for something that's easily measurable.

Penn State, Alabama, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Auburn, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc. aren't less valuable because they're located in the middle of nowhere. Similarly, Rutgers, Northwestern, BC, Rice, Houston, Temple, Vanderbilt, Tulane, UNLV, UCSD, etc. aren't super valuable because they're located in big/huge cities. Their media value is determined by A) the number of people willing to pay for access to the content, and B) the number of people willing to watch their content and then go out and buy the stuff that's being advertised, and neither of those two factors are driven by a school's "market."

Also, flagship vs. no flagship doesn't make sense on its face because not every state designates a flagship, and zero private schools are flagships. At best, flagship status is a proxy for fan support (there's probably a loose correlation between being a flagship and having more fan support) and academic standing (there's probably also a loose correlation between being a flagship and being higher-ranked), but both fan support and academic prestige can be measured far more directly and far more accurately.

Given virtually nobody watches WBB, and even fewer people would be willing to pay for it (see WBB revenues), I have a hard time seeing WBB any higher than a 1 on a scale of 0-100. The other two factors that you listed are obvious 0's.

Agree with you that WBB means a 1 on a 0 to 100 scale.
Disagree with you 100% that being a flagship is arbitrary and has no value. If that's your opinion, I must say my opinion on that is exactly the opposite. I must insist 100% in the opposite direction. If 101% was possible, I'd be 101% positive that you are incorrect in that way of thinking, good Sir.

Completely agree.

There are certain values being a flagship has that others do not. If this wasn't the case, then "major" institutions would all be on the same level, which, of course, they are not.

I would say that I still think WBB being a 1 on a scale of 0 to 100 is being generous.

I'd call it a tiebreaker at worst...maybe a few bonus points at best. UConn WBB would bring the most value to the ACC for the conference has several really good WBB programs. It would also be good for the fledgling ACC Network. The B1G would be next on the value to conference chart.

The major issue do they bring enough to be at least a net neutral on TV proceeds? UConn WBB does have some sort TV Package with SNY but IIRC it pays like a million a year.

I don't think there are enough Women and Beta Males watching UConn WBB to bring in that revenue to tip the balance. If UConn gets added they will get added for factors other than WBB.
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(07-20-2017 08:00 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I don't think there are enough Women and Beta Males watching UConn WBB to bring in that revenue to tip the balance. If UConn gets added they will get added for factors other than WBB.

Agree about WBB at UConn.

Beyond that, I don't think UConn gets added to the ACC in the forseeable future. The ACC already has northeast corridor penetration via Syracuse and Boston College. Sure, UConn is closer to NYC, but the value-added on top of Cuse isn't there.

Basically, the ACC was interested in New York, but it was a case of either Syracuse or UConn fulfilling that role, because they didn't need both, and the ACC went with Syracuse. Just like the B1G had the same issue, and chose Rutgers over UConn. That leaves UConn out in the cold, because there isn't another power conference with geographical interest in NYC, and that's basically what UConn brings.
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(07-20-2017 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-20-2017 08:00 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I don't think there are enough Women and Beta Males watching UConn WBB to bring in that revenue to tip the balance. If UConn gets added they will get added for factors other than WBB.

Agree about WBB at UConn.

Beyond that, I don't think UConn gets added to the ACC in the forseeable future. The ACC already has northeast corridor penetration via Syracuse and Boston College. Sure, UConn is closer to NYC, but the value-added on top of Cuse isn't there.

Basically, the ACC was interested in New York, but it was a case of either Syracuse or UConn fulfilling that role, because they didn't need both, and the ACC went with Syracuse. Just like the B1G had the same issue, and chose Rutgers over UConn. That leaves UConn out in the cold, because there isn't another power conference with geographical interest in NYC, and that's basically what UConn brings.

I have to disagree with the market logic. The ACC and the Big Ten won't fully capture the New York City market until they have two teams that are in the general market area. New Yorkers won't tune in to college sports unless they are given something special in the form of rivalries and are watching schools that absolutely hate each other. UConn and Syracuse both lay claim to NYC, both share an intense rivalry on the court/field, both have large fan bases in NYC, and both school can't stand each other. That right there is the recipe for success in getting NYC eyeballs. The ACC could benefit from that in NYC. As for the Big Ten, UConn and Rutgers were actually making their rivalry begin to be something special when Rutgers left for the Big Ten (and both programs took steps backward on the field). Rutgers and UConn will never be as good in football as the Big Ten heavyweights, but those two teams competing in the Big Ten would still have a nice feel from a rivalry perspective and could only help that league get eyeballs in NYC.

The same holds true for Boston College. I live in Boston and not many people care about BC or the other ACC schools. However, the city does pay more attention when BC plays Notre Dame or Syracuse. However, there is no hatred better than UConn and BC hatred. Having UConn in the ACC would definitely create a larger focus on BC in Boston.

Does the ACC or Big Ten "need" UConn for the NYC or Boston markets? No. Would UConn help market penetration? Absolutely.
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(07-20-2017 09:23 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(07-20-2017 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-20-2017 08:00 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  I don't think there are enough Women and Beta Males watching UConn WBB to bring in that revenue to tip the balance. If UConn gets added they will get added for factors other than WBB.

Agree about WBB at UConn.

Beyond that, I don't think UConn gets added to the ACC in the forseeable future. The ACC already has northeast corridor penetration via Syracuse and Boston College. Sure, UConn is closer to NYC, but the value-added on top of Cuse isn't there.

Basically, the ACC was interested in New York, but it was a case of either Syracuse or UConn fulfilling that role, because they didn't need both, and the ACC went with Syracuse. Just like the B1G had the same issue, and chose Rutgers over UConn. That leaves UConn out in the cold, because there isn't another power conference with geographical interest in NYC, and that's basically what UConn brings.

I have to disagree with the market logic. The ACC and the Big Ten won't fully capture the New York City market until they have two teams that are in the general market area. New Yorkers won't tune in to college sports unless they are given something special in the form of rivalries and are watching schools that absolutely hate each other. UConn and Syracuse both lay claim to NYC, both share an intense rivalry on the court/field, both have large fan bases in NYC, and both school can't stand each other. That right there is the recipe for success in getting NYC eyeballs. The ACC could benefit from that in NYC. As for the Big Ten, UConn and Rutgers were actually making their rivalry begin to be something special when Rutgers left for the Big Ten (and both programs took steps backward on the field). Rutgers and UConn will never be as good in football as the Big Ten heavyweights, but those two teams competing in the Big Ten would still have a nice feel from a rivalry perspective and could only help that league get eyeballs in NYC.

The same holds true for Boston College. I live in Boston and not many people care about BC or the other ACC schools. However, the city does pay more attention when BC plays Notre Dame or Syracuse. However, there is no hatred better than UConn and BC hatred. Having UConn in the ACC would definitely create a larger focus on BC in Boston.

Does the ACC or Big Ten "need" UConn for the NYC or Boston markets? No. Would UConn help market penetration? Absolutely.

Valid points but still won't add enough to either conference to include UConn. No rivalry in the Big 10 will ever come close to tOSU and That School Up North. The only school that would generate enough interest in New York that would move the needle is Notre Dame, and they're already in the ACC with partial TV exposure when visiting ACC schools for football.
07-20-2017 09:35 AM
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