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(07-15-2017 09:36 AM)ctx48c Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 09:11 AM)westwolf Wrote:  UConn is not wanted by any P5 conference

UCONN is not AAU
UCONN has a poor football program
UCONN does not have a great market.

You could argue UConn has a market that stretches from New Jersey to Boston. I'd say that's a solid market. Even if exaggerated, they have all of Connecticut and an inroads to NYC, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. You can dock many things but they have a solid market.
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(07-15-2017 01:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's a money loser, period. Pat Summit was terrific and Tennessee actually turned a profit for a couple of her years. ... Nobody is getting a look in realignment because of women's basketball, which is what the OP is about.
Yes ... I'd flip the question and ask, how much did the Lady Vols help the SEC in their best years, and the answer would be ... well, they helped Tennessee a bit, but not really anybody else.
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(07-16-2017 07:39 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 01:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's a money loser, period. Pat Summit was terrific and Tennessee actually turned a profit for a couple of her years. ... Nobody is getting a look in realignment because of women's basketball, which is what the OP is about.
Yes ... I'd flip the question and ask, how much did the Lady Vols help the SEC in their best years, and the answer would be ... well, they helped Tennessee a bit, but not really anybody else.

And by a bit, we are talking maybe 1 million in the few years they could turn a profit. The truth is as I stated before, it only exists because of Title IX and it's a money loser for almost everyone.
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I certainly did not think Conn WBB would put Conn in B-10 by itself
however I,m stunded they do turn a profit, or conf does not turn a profit
i would love to know, what does WBB credit pay
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(07-16-2017 09:03 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I certainly did not think Conn WBB would put Conn in B-10 by itself
however I,m stunded they do turn a profit, or conf does not turn a profit
i would love to know, what does WBB credit pay


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(07-16-2017 09:17 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 09:03 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I certainly did not think Conn WBB would put Conn in B-10 by itself
however I,m stunded they do turn a profit, or conf does not turn a profit
i would love to know, what does WBB credit pay


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You're doing it all wrong. Your post needs to be in haiku form, like the OP.
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(07-16-2017 07:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 09:36 AM)ctx48c Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 09:11 AM)westwolf Wrote:  UConn is not wanted by any P5 conference

UCONN is not AAU
UCONN has a poor football program
UCONN does not have a great market.

You could argue UConn has a market that stretches from New Jersey to Boston. I'd say that's a solid market. Even if exaggerated, they have all of Connecticut and an inroads to NYC, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. You can dock many things but they have a solid market.

Markets don't matter. Fans matter. Random people living in an arbitrarily-defined geographic area doesn't create value.

A population of fans willing to pay for content and watch content (and therefore advertisements) creates value.

I'll let UConn supporters/haters fight over whether or not UConn WBB has that kind of fan pull. I don't personally know a soul who cares about NCAA WBB, but if anybody does care, it would be UConn fans.
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I understood the question to be in the world of NCAA WBB. WBB obviously doesn't help a school get into a conference, and it abviously doesn't make enough money to help anybody's athletic department.

But the question, to me, is whether or not UConn WBB helps the other WBB programs in their conference. On one hand, getting blown out by 50 hurts. On the other hand, having a name as big as UConn's on the schedule has to help w/ recruiting.
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UConn has a good market. They need to get MBB going again, and football back to decent.
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UConn women's basketball has a solid market. Their limit is the amount of interest in women's basketball. But they have an entire state captive and send graduates all over New England, New York and New Jersey.
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so your telling me WBB has contract for TV NCAAW tourn
& draw well for thier tourn games & keeps the money! why?
what about baseball, soccor, hockey, lacross, softball
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(07-16-2017 09:40 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  UConn women's basketball has a solid market. Their limit is the amount of interest in women's basketball. But they have an entire state captive and send graduates all over New England, New York and New Jersey.

I posted a link stating what UConn has made or failed to make over several championship seasons. Wolfman posts one about how the tourney paid them nothing.

The OP of this thread has been clearly answered. WBB adds nothing to the realignment question.
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(07-16-2017 10:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 09:40 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  UConn women's basketball has a solid market. Their limit is the amount of interest in women's basketball. But they have an entire state captive and send graduates all over New England, New York and New Jersey.

I posted a link stating what UConn has made or failed to make over several championship seasons. Wolfman posts one about how the tourney paid them nothing.

The OP of this thread has been clearly answered. WBB adds nothing to the realignment question.

This. Fortunately or unfortunately, it is what it is. UConn women's basketball will not move the need for realignment but it will be a plus for any conference who gets them.
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(07-16-2017 10:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 09:40 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  UConn women's basketball has a solid market. Their limit is the amount of interest in women's basketball. But they have an entire state captive and send graduates all over New England, New York and New Jersey.

I posted a link stating what UConn has made or failed to make over several championship seasons. Wolfman posts one about how the tourney paid them nothing.

The OP of this thread has been clearly answered. WBB adds nothing to the realignment question.

I never argued that. But their market isn't lacking. Interest in the sport is.
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concerning OP

WBB helps some, but it's not necessarily decisive. Where it helps is putting UConn on the map for most people. While you forget about Boston College or Virginia when the Football and MBB are down, you still remember UConn because it's something special. If the B1G or ACC were looking at UConn, on a 100 point scale their WBB would give them a +5 points. Being a flagship is a +15, to put it in perspective. Football, eyeballs (TV or whatever media), recruiting, and infrastructure will still be the deciding factors.

WBB isn't much of the equation, but it isn't zero. Consider how the P12 advertises that it's the conference of champions by all the obscure events won by Stanford; The B1G or ACC would gladly proclaim WBB dominance with UConn. Again not the top priority, but a "nice" extra.
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(07-16-2017 10:26 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  concerning OP

WBB helps some, but it's not necessarily decisive. Where it helps is putting UConn on the map for most people. While you forget about Boston College or Virginia when the Football and MBB are down, you still remember UConn because it's something special. If the B1G or ACC were looking at UConn, on a 100 point scale their WBB would give them a +5 points. Being a flagship is a +15, to put it in perspective. Football, eyeballs (TV or whatever media), recruiting, and infrastructure will still be the deciding factors.

WBB isn't much of the equation, but it isn't zero. Consider how the P12 advertises that it's the conference of champions by all the obscure events won by Stanford; The B1G or ACC would gladly proclaim WBB dominance with UConn. Again not the top priority, but a "nice" extra.

Being a flagship vs. not being a flagship matters exactly as much as "having a market," which almost matter as much as having a solid WBB program.

The first two are arbitrary and literally have no value, and the 3rd has no material value. "Market" and flagship status are made up, and, at best, poor proxy's for something that's easily measurable.

Penn State, Alabama, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Auburn, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc. aren't less valuable because they're located in the middle of nowhere. Similarly, Rutgers, Northwestern, BC, Rice, Houston, Temple, Vanderbilt, Tulane, UNLV, UCSD, etc. aren't super valuable because they're located in big/huge cities. Their media value is determined by A) the number of people willing to pay for access to the content, and B) the number of people willing to watch their content and then go out and buy the stuff that's being advertised, and neither of those two factors are driven by a school's "market."

Also, flagship vs. no flagship doesn't make sense on its face because not every state designates a flagship, and zero private schools are flagships. At best, flagship status is a proxy for fan support (there's probably a loose correlation between being a flagship and having more fan support) and academic standing (there's probably also a loose correlation between being a flagship and being higher-ranked), but both fan support and academic prestige can be measured far more directly and far more accurately.

Given virtually nobody watches WBB, and even fewer people would be willing to pay for it (see WBB revenues), I have a hard time seeing WBB any higher than a 1 on a scale of 0-100. The other two factors that you listed are obvious 0's.
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(07-15-2017 08:23 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 08:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  It helps on the margins. Football is 85% of the package, Mens BB 10% and everything else equals up to 5%.

Even that last 5% isn't equally distributed. Figure baseball or ice hockey (South or North) is next, followed by women's hoops. Maybe 1%?

That looks pretty accurate.

I'd even go as far as to say in the grand scheme, woman's BB doesn't "move the needle" at all.

It's like buying a new car. There's options that matter that are deal makers/breakers (like the engine, etc), there's options that matter and help close the deal (like SatNav), then there's options that are nice but don't really factor into the decision (like dual climate control).

Woman's basketball is the dual climate control of conference decision making.
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(07-16-2017 09:31 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 07:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 09:36 AM)ctx48c Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 09:11 AM)westwolf Wrote:  UConn is not wanted by any P5 conference

UCONN is not AAU
UCONN has a poor football program
UCONN does not have a great market.

You could argue UConn has a market that stretches from New Jersey to Boston. I'd say that's a solid market. Even if exaggerated, they have all of Connecticut and an inroads to NYC, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. You can dock many things but they have a solid market.

Markets don't matter. Fans matter. Random people living in an arbitrarily-defined geographic area doesn't create value.

I agree with that, except that Rutgers got a Big 10 invite seemingly on the NYC market potential given the nature of the BTN's revenue mechanism. I don't think it was because of existing fan interest, but could be wrong.
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It wasn't anything but that. They played in the best basketball conference in history and didn't produce a single NCAA bid. They started getting really good at football by playing no one in OOC.
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(07-15-2017 03:17 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  THEY BRING 5 BB CREDITS A YR, PROABLLY DRAG OTHER PROGRAMS INTO TOURNY
UCONN FILLS BUILDING UP & EFFECT AVG ATTEN TRU OUT CONF
GAMES GET ON TV, HELPS WITH RECURITING
WBB CONF TOURN IS IN CONN, BUILDINGS R PACKED

I think I understand.
Football is 80% and Uconn is an FBS newbie.
Men's Basketball is 15% to 20% and although Uconn sucked badly last year, they are normally pretty good.
The other 0-5% interest is divided up between baseball,wrestling and hockey. Uconn is missing one, bad at one, and don't know about the third.
Women's basketball is worth 0 to 1 % and Uconn is great at it, except last year only made the sweet 16 after being undefeated.
Uconn is a state flagship in a state where there is an Ivy League school, and other good schools. Not the best school in their state. Not AAU.
Should probably drop the FBS football experiment if they have another bad season and go back to their peers in the Big East.
Plays in a conference with Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Wichita, Tulane, Memphis, and a couple Florida schools. Which makes entirely no sense to Joe huschkie Fan or anyone
Huschkie fans obviously can't go to these far away away games. And they don't.
Plays in a football stadium way off campus, which is dumb, but at the time Hartford was trying to get the Patriots. That plan failed and here we are.
So Uconn basketball? Pretty good. One positive out of a mostly bad situation at Uconn.
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