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BBC article on parts of the Steele Dossier verified.
Not an opinion article. Facts and how they hacked into voter rolls or were given to by Trump's team. This is what is being investigated and it takes time.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39435786
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Tick tick tick............ boom
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Ohhhhhh. Btw. That extra little dude that was in the orphan meeting. Ahem. Was one of the KGB computer hackers. Niiiiiicccceeeeeee.
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(07-14-2017 06:06 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Not an opinion article. Facts and how they hacked into voter rolls or were given to by Trump's team. This is what is being investigated and it takes time.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39435786

It reads like an opinion piece. Geez, just a bunch of speculation and hearsay within hearsay.

For example:
"He had gone home in August 2016 at the end of a six-year posting.
The man himself emailed journalists to complain about a "stream of lies and fake news about my person".
If anyone looks like a harmless economist, rather than a tough, arrogant KGB man, it is the bland-faced Kalugin.
But sources I know and trust have told me the US government identified Kalugin as a spy while he was still at the embassy.
It is not clear if the American intelligence agencies already believed this when they got Steele's report on the "diplomat", as early as May 2016.
But it is a judgment they made using their own methods, outside the dossier.
A retired member of a US intelligence agency told me that Kalugin was being kept under surveillance before he left the US."
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To believe the witch hunt narrative.

That Donald Jr., Paul Manafort, and Jared Kushner did nothing wrong by meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian offering dirt on Clinton. The emails requesting the meeting specifically mentioned a “Russian government attorney” and added that the requested meeting concerned “very high level and sensitive information” that “is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” That doesn’t prove a willingness to collude.

That concern about Paul Manafort’s extensive links with Putin’s former puppet in Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, including at least $12.7 million in payments, is, to quote Manafort’s words, “silly and nonsensical.”

That Jared Kushner’s attempt, during the transition, to secure a back channel with the Russian government using their secure communications equipment in the Russian embassy was not alarming/inexplicable.

That Donald Trump’s stubborn refusal ever to breathe a critical word about Vladimir Putin, even as he has freely criticized U.S. allies, or acknowledge Russian meddling in our election, is not strange.


5. That Michael Flynn’s firing after less than a month on the job was really just because he had misled Mike Pence.

That Donald Trump’s pressure on Comey to go soft on Flynn was purely a measure of loyalty/friendship from a person who has rarely shown those traits before.


That James Comey’s firing, at least according to evolving White House accounts, was due to his mishandling of the Hillary file, no wait, due to poor management of the FBI, which was suffering from low morale, um, no because of two factual errors Comey made in congressional testimony. Finally, that it was over the “Russia thing” but this only shows that Trump was an innocent man frustrated by Comey’s unwillingness to clear him publicly.


That it was irrelevant that Trump told the Russian ambassador and foreign minister in the Oval Office the day after Comey’s sacking that the FBI director was a “nut job” whose removal had relieved “great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

It’s pure coincidence that one of the only foreign-policy advisers on the Trump campaign was Carter Page, who was under FBI investigation for Russia ties. In Moscow, he gave a speech denouncing U.S. policy, saying, “Washington and other Western capitals have impeded potential progress through their often hypocritical focus on ideas such as democratization, inequality, corruption, and regime change.” Anti-anti-corruption isn’t disturbing.


That White House objections to sanctions against Russia, which passed the Senate 98–2, are purely procedural.

That former Manafort partner and Trump surrogate Roger Stone, who boasted about links to WikiLeaks founder and America hater Julian Assange, and accurately predicted in August 2016 that John Podesta would be next “in the barrel,” was just lucky.

That statements by Eric and Donald Jr. about Russian financial ties are not revealing. Golf writer James Dodson quoted Eric as explaining in 2014 how the Trump organization was able to get financing for various golf courses even after the Great Recession. “Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia. We’ve got some guys that really, really love golf, and they’re really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time.” Donald Trump Jr., who also traveled to Russia frequently, spoke at a 2008 real-estate conference and noted that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.” When Donald Trump stated that “I have zero investments in Russia,” he did not say that Russia had zero investments in him, but we should believe his other claim that “I have nothing to do with Russia.”

That Mr. Trump’s failure to release his tax returns, despite repeated promises to do so, is because he is under audit.

That it’s unremarkable that presidential spokeswoman Sarah Sanders refuses to say whether Russia is an adversary, a friend, or a nation about whom we should be wary.

That Donald Trump is the first president since 1949 to cast doubt on America’s commitment to NATO, but this is overdue and good for the U.S.

That Donald Trump’s obsessive attacks on “fake news” are not an attempt to inoculate himself against future revelations but just good old-fashioned, right-wing hatred of liberals.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/44...rd-believe
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(07-14-2017 07:00 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Ohhhhhh. Btw. That extra little dude that was in the orphan meeting. Ahem. Was one of the KGB computer hackers. Niiiiiicccceeeeeee.
He's connected to the fake dossier...

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Cept it's not fake and parts have been verified.
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It's fake. And just about everything you posted in the next rant has another side that makes the Clintons, the DNC, and the Obama admin look even worse. We already know Trump is no saint. You really think the others are better? None of the above is any more scandlous than Obama's hot mic assurance to Medvedev that he would play ball afyer the election.

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I can't speak for anyone else.

I have thought all along there were Trump-Russia talks specifically designed to avoid interception by the White House. I still do.

However, they weren't about the election. They were about fighting ISIS. Anything Obama knew would go straight to ISIS. It was and still is vital to keep the military plans out of the hands of the deep state Muslims. All of this happened because Trump and a lot of his supporters believe Obama is a traitorous Musllim.
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(07-14-2017 10:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  I can't speak for anyone else.

I have thought all along there were Trump-Russia talks specifically designed to avoid interception by the White House. I still do.

However, they weren't about the election. They were about fighting ISIS. Anything Obama knew would go straight to ISIS. It was and still is vital to keep the military plans out of the hands of the deep state Muslims. All of this happened because Trump and a lot of his supporters believe Obama is a traitorous Musllim.

You find that birth certificate yet?
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It's terrible what has happened to the GOP. It's a mental disease at this point. The ends justify the means. Claw invents scenarios in his head to excuse lies and possibly treason.
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Seems they have gone full retard.
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(07-14-2017 08:41 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  To believe the witch hunt narrative.

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Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/44...rd-believe

I'll go ahead and debunk that article. They make the mistake of assuming "you have to believe X, to believe Y." That's not the case. I'll go through their list.

1. I believe the meeting was improper, but only because the information allegedly came from a foreign government. It's not illegal or impeachable. It's just improper, a political sin, or bad judgment. If it was merely a meeting with a third party, I'd have no problem with it and call it due diligence. Hillary getting help from Ukraine is on par with what Trump Jr. did.

2. I have more concern about his contacts to Ukraine than Russia. Ukraine is a cesspool.

3. A back channel is not unusual or alarming especially considering Russia and US involvement in the Syrian civil war. Not to mention other global hotspots.

4. This one is just false, he has criticized Putin and Russia. He also pressed Putin about "election meddling."

5. I believe Flynn was fired because Trump doubted his ability to trust him/loyalty.

6. He went "soft" on Flynn because of Flynn's record of service and he felt that his termination was punishment enough.

7. Comey was fired because of he wouldn't clear Trump's name despite assurances to Trump that he wasn't under investigation and just all around crappy job performance.

8. Out of context statement, but yeah it is irrelevant that he thinks Comey was a "nut job."

9. Nothing wrong with his speech. Generally agree with his view on US foreign policy.

10. I don't even know where they got this one. The objection is not procedural. It's more that sanctions are counter-productive to us mending our relationship with Russia. It would be a positive for both countries to have a good working relationship.

11. Um, if they knew Assange, they would likely know what wikileaks would be rolling out. Nothing nefarious about it.

12. I don't believe him, but it doesn't really matter. There's nothing wrong with having investments in Russia.

13. No clue, doesn't matter though. There's not going to be a smoking gun in his tax returns that says "payments from Putin."

14. Basic diplomacy.

15. Hell yes, this is overdue and good for the US.

16. More like the MSM has shown themselves to be fake news, destroyed their credibility, and he's calling them out on it.

Basically, it's a bunch of nothing that's been strung together. If you're for a good working relationship with Russia, recognize that Russia has legitimate national interests, and that NATO make Russia feel threatened, then you're a heretic and a Russia-phile according to the MSM. I do generally agree that it's a witch hunt and has been one for over a year. That said, I find the Trump Jr. meeting improper and the only thing of substance in the entire case. And that's only come out in the last two weeks.
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(07-15-2017 08:12 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 10:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  I can't speak for anyone else.

I have thought all along there were Trump-Russia talks specifically designed to avoid interception by the White House. I still do.

However, they weren't about the election. They were about fighting ISIS. Anything Obama knew would go straight to ISIS. It was and still is vital to keep the military plans out of the hands of the deep state Muslims. All of this happened because Trump and a lot of his supporters believe Obama is a traitorous Musllim.

You find that birth certificate yet?

This is real stuff.

The Trump team turned our guns on ISIS first as evidenced by what has happened this year. The Obama strategy was different and focused on attacking the Russian-backed Syrian regime first. It is perfectly understandable that Trump would have wanted to discuss this policy with the Russians without Obama's knowledge.

Obama was using ISIS to force regime change in Syria - bumps into Russia
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A year in....still nothing. BTW--every intelligence agency, and even every Democrat and all the anti-Trump forces---all agree that the effort to change votes failed. Thye "Big NOTHING BURGER" continues. At some point, Mach is going to have to face facts---its all political. There was never really anything there, but as long as it continues to be relatively effective at derailing the Trump agenda, it will continue.
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Libturds still can not disavow the Steele dossier. Sad.
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(07-15-2017 09:54 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 08:41 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  To believe the witch hunt narrative.

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Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/44...rd-believe

I'll go ahead and debunk that article. They make the mistake of assuming "you have to believe X, to believe Y." That's not the case. I'll go through their list.

1. I believe the meeting was improper, but only because the information allegedly came from a foreign government. It's not illegal or impeachable. It's just improper, a political sin, or bad judgment. If it was merely a meeting with a third party, I'd have no problem with it and call it due diligence. Hillary getting help from Ukraine is on par with what Trump Jr. did.

2. I have more concern about his contacts to Ukraine than Russia. Ukraine is a cesspool.

3. A back channel is not unusual or alarming especially considering Russia and US involvement in the Syrian civil war. Not to mention other global hotspots.

4. This one is just false, he has criticized Putin and Russia. He also pressed Putin about "election meddling."

5. I believe Flynn was fired because Trump doubted his ability to trust him/loyalty.

6. He went "soft" on Flynn because of Flynn's record of service and he felt that his termination was punishment enough.

7. Comey was fired because of he wouldn't clear Trump's name despite assurances to Trump that he wasn't under investigation and just all around crappy job performance.

8. Out of context statement, but yeah it is irrelevant that he thinks Comey was a "nut job."

9. Nothing wrong with his speech. Generally agree with his view on US foreign policy.

10. I don't even know where they got this one. The objection is not procedural. It's more that sanctions are counter-productive to us mending our relationship with Russia. It would be a positive for both countries to have a good working relationship.

11. Um, if they knew Assange, they would likely know what wikileaks would be rolling out. Nothing nefarious about it.

12. I don't believe him, but it doesn't really matter. There's nothing wrong with having investments in Russia.

13. No clue, doesn't matter though. There's not going to be a smoking gun in his tax returns that says "payments from Putin."

14. Basic diplomacy.

15. Hell yes, this is overdue and good for the US.

16. More like the MSM has shown themselves to be fake news, destroyed their credibility, and he's calling them out on it.

Basically, it's a bunch of nothing that's been strung together. If you're for a good working relationship with Russia, recognize that Russia has legitimate national interests, and that NATO make Russia feel threatened, then you're a heretic and a Russia-phile according to the MSM. I do generally agree that it's a witch hunt and has been one for over a year. That said, I find the Trump Jr. meeting improper and the only thing of substance in the entire case. And that's only come out in the last two weeks.

I'm not sure Machiavelli even reads what he posts. There's nothing in there but that some things might (or might not) have happened. And this is an article from March 30th. There is so much stuff that has been debunked since then its not worth going over. About the only thing in there is that someone Steele mentioned might have been a diplomat (assuming Steele was referring to someone with a slightly different spelling) and that person according to anonymous intelligence agency sources was a person of interest as a possible spy (so why are they disclosing that?). And there still doesn't appear to be anything other than Steele connecting this guy to Trump's campaign (after a while I started skimming, but saw nothing).
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What has been debunked in the Steele Dossier? Credible and reputable news sources please.
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(07-15-2017 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It's terrible what has happened to the GOP. It's a mental disease at this point. The ends justify the means. Claw invents scenarios in his head to excuse lies and possibly treason.

Same thing can be said about the Dem party after Bill C left office if not earlier. FDR, HST and JFK would not recognize the Democratic Party of today.
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