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(07-15-2017 07:33 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Anything for that judge huh. Even ignoring possible treason? I'm not wired that way.

This is about Trump, not Shakespeare.
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Maybe someone has suggested this before and if so, my apologies.

But the narrative here seems to be that the Russians supposedly had information on Hillary that would be damaging to her chances for election.

If in fact, the Russians did have something real and damaging, didn't the voters have the right to know this before going to the voting booths? And in this case, wouldn't the Trump team have an obligation to the voters to make this information public? Isn't the foundation of a vibrant democracy, informed voters?
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This seems appropriate

The key insight from a week of gobsmacking revelations is not that the Russia scandal may finally have an underlying crime but that, as David Brooks suggests, “over the past few generations the Trump family built an enveloping culture that is beyond good and evil.” (Remember when the media collectively oohed and ahhed that, “Say what you will about Donald Trump, but his kids are great!”? Add that to the heap of inane media narratives that helped normalize Trump to the voters.) We now see that, sure enough, the Trump legal team (the fastest-growing segment of the economy) has trouble restraining its clients, explaining away initial, false explanations and preventing self-incriminating statements. (The biggest trouble, of course, is that the president lied that this is all “fake news” and arguably committed obstruction of justice to hide his campaign team’s misdeeds.)

Let me suggest the real problem is not the Trump family, but the GOP. To paraphrase Brooks, “It takes generations to hammer ethical considerations out of a [party’s] mind and to replace them entirely with the ruthless logic of winning and losing.” Again, to borrow from Brooks, beyond partisanship the GOP evidences “no attachment to any external moral truth or ethical code.”

Let’s dispense with the “Democrats are just as bad” defense. First, I don’t much care; we collectively face a party in charge of virtually the entire federal government and the vast majority of statehouses and governorships. It’s that party’s inner moral rot that must concern us for now. Second, it’s simply not true, and saying so reveals the origin of the problem — a “woe is me” sense of victimhood that grossly exaggerates the opposition’s ills and in turn justifies its own egregious political judgments and rhetoric. If the GOP had not become unhinged about the Clintons, would it have rationalized Trump as the lesser of two evils? Only in the crazed bubble of right-wing hysteria does an ethically challenged, moderate Democrat become a threat to Western civilization and Trump the salvation of America.

Indeed, for decades now, demonization — of gays, immigrants, Democrats, the media, feminists, etc. — has been the animating spirit behind much of the right. It has distorted its assessment of reality, giving us anti-immigrant hysteria, promulgating disrespect for the law (how many “respectable” conservatives suggested disregarding the Supreme Court’s decision on gay marriage?), elevating Fox News hosts’ blatantly false propaganda as the counterweight to liberal media bias and preventing serious policy debate. For seven years, the party vilified Obamacare without an accurate assessment of its faults and feasible alternative plans. “Obama bad” or “Clinton bad” became the only credo — leaving the party, as Brooks said of the Trump clan, with “no attachment to any external moral truth or ethical code” — and no coherent policies for governing.

We have always had in our political culture narcissists, ideologues and flimflammers, but it took the 21st-century GOP to put one in the White House. It took elected leaders such as House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) and the Republican National Committee (not to mention its donors and activists) to wave off Trump’s racists attacks on a federal judge, blatant lies about everything from 9/11 to his own involvement in birtherism, replete evidence of disloyalty to America (i.e. Trump’s “Russia first” policies), misogyny, Islamophobia, ongoing potential violations of the Constitution’s emoluments clause (along with a mass of conflicts of interests), firing of an FBI director, and now, evidence that the campaign was willing to enlist a foreign power to defeat Clinton in the presidential election.

Out of its collective sense of victimhood came the GOP’s disdain for not just intellectuals but also intellectualism, science, Economics 101, history and constitutional fidelity. If the Trump children became slaves to money and to their father’s unbridled ego, then the GOP became slaves to its own demons and false narratives. A party that has to deny climate change and insist illegal immigrants are creating a crime wave — because that is what “conservatives” must believe, since liberals do not — is a party that will deny Trump’s complicity in gross misconduct. It’s a party as unfit to govern as Trump is unfit to occupy the White House. It’s not by accident that Trump chose to inhabit the party that has defined itself in opposition to reality and to any “external moral truth or ethical code.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/rig...a884be0a1a


You guys have lost your moral code in the pursuit of Neil Gorsuch.
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(07-15-2017 07:44 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  Maybe someone has suggested this before and if so, my apologies.

But the narrative here seems to be that the Russians supposedly had information on Hillary that would be damaging to her chances for election.

If in fact, the Russians did have something real and damaging, didn't the voters have the right to know this before going to the voting booths? And in this case, wouldn't the Trump team have an obligation to the voters to make this information public? Isn't the foundation of a vibrant democracy, informed voters?

shhhhhh.....that's the 'c' word and is one of the 7 that isn't allowed 03-wink

the rest of the framing is that supposed "collusion" from the master o' universe family....

I honestly don't know how folks can talk about this with a straight face......I know I can't
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There's no crime here. They should stop all their damn lying. No reason for all the cover up. Just come clean and move on.

Damn liars know nothing else I guess. Can't help themselves even when there's no reason for it.
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Paul they wouldn't be lying if there was nothing to cover up.
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It makes the Comey firing all the more suspect.
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(07-15-2017 08:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It makes the Comey firing all the more suspect.

Not even close....why would djt agree to special council if true

Maybe the sleestack reaked of bs and he just told bim to hit the road ... ever think about that?
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The lying is stupid. No reason for it.

Unless there is. Doesn't seem to be.

I know the hard core partisans will deny the lying and constant changing stories but it does cause a clear mind to pause.

Not a crime to take a meeting. Report the details accurately and move on.

Like I said, liars don't know when to not. Just their nature.

I hate lying and using the word "transparency" in the same sentence.
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(07-15-2017 08:08 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This seems appropriate

The key insight from a week of gobsmacking revelations is not that the Russia scandal may finally have an underlying crime but that, as David Brooks suggests, “over the past few generations the Trump family built an enveloping culture that is beyond good and evil.” (Remember when the media collectively oohed and ahhed that, “Say what you will about Donald Trump, but his kids are great!”? Add that to the heap of inane media narratives that helped normalize Trump to the voters.) We now see that, sure enough, the Trump legal team (the fastest-growing segment of the economy) has trouble restraining its clients, explaining away initial, false explanations and preventing self-incriminating statements. (The biggest trouble, of course, is that the president lied that this is all “fake news” and arguably committed obstruction of justice to hide his campaign team’s misdeeds.)

Let me suggest the real problem is not the Trump family, but the GOP. To paraphrase Brooks, “It takes generations to hammer ethical considerations out of a [party’s] mind and to replace them entirely with the ruthless logic of winning and losing.” Again, to borrow from Brooks, beyond partisanship the GOP evidences “no attachment to any external moral truth or ethical code.”

Let’s dispense with the “Democrats are just as bad” defense. First, I don’t much care; we collectively face a party in charge of virtually the entire federal government and the vast majority of statehouses and governorships. It’s that party’s inner moral rot that must concern us for now. Second, it’s simply not true, and saying so reveals the origin of the problem — a “woe is me” sense of victimhood that grossly exaggerates the opposition’s ills and in turn justifies its own egregious political judgments and rhetoric. If the GOP had not become unhinged about the Clintons, would it have rationalized Trump as the lesser of two evils? Only in the crazed bubble of right-wing hysteria does an ethically challenged, moderate Democrat become a threat to Western civilization and Trump the salvation of America.

Indeed, for decades now, demonization — of gays, immigrants, Democrats, the media, feminists, etc. — has been the animating spirit behind much of the right. It has distorted its assessment of reality, giving us anti-immigrant hysteria, promulgating disrespect for the law (how many “respectable” conservatives suggested disregarding the Supreme Court’s decision on gay marriage?), elevating Fox News hosts’ blatantly false propaganda as the counterweight to liberal media bias and preventing serious policy debate. For seven years, the party vilified Obamacare without an accurate assessment of its faults and feasible alternative plans. “Obama bad” or “Clinton bad” became the only credo — leaving the party, as Brooks said of the Trump clan, with “no attachment to any external moral truth or ethical code” — and no coherent policies for governing.

We have always had in our political culture narcissists, ideologues and flimflammers, but it took the 21st-century GOP to put one in the White House. It took elected leaders such as House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) and the Republican National Committee (not to mention its donors and activists) to wave off Trump’s racists attacks on a federal judge, blatant lies about everything from 9/11 to his own involvement in birtherism, replete evidence of disloyalty to America (i.e. Trump’s “Russia first” policies), misogyny, Islamophobia, ongoing potential violations of the Constitution’s emoluments clause (along with a mass of conflicts of interests), firing of an FBI director, and now, evidence that the campaign was willing to enlist a foreign power to defeat Clinton in the presidential election.

Out of its collective sense of victimhood came the GOP’s disdain for not just intellectuals but also intellectualism, science, Economics 101, history and constitutional fidelity. If the Trump children became slaves to money and to their father’s unbridled ego, then the GOP became slaves to its own demons and false narratives. A party that has to deny climate change and insist illegal immigrants are creating a crime wave — because that is what “conservatives” must believe, since liberals do not — is a party that will deny Trump’s complicity in gross misconduct. It’s a party as unfit to govern as Trump is unfit to occupy the White House. It’s not by accident that Trump chose to inhabit the party that has defined itself in opposition to reality and to any “external moral truth or ethical code.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/rig...a884be0a1a

That's the kind of dog whistle piece that has deranged liberals getting their rifles and looking for Republican baseball practices.

All in the name of morality.
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Liberals and morality. That's a good laugh.
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I see Mach still going with the full retard look today.
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(07-15-2017 09:30 AM)Paul M Wrote:  The lying is stupid. No reason for it.

Unless there is. Doesn't seem to be.

I know the hard core partisans will deny the lying and constant changing stories but it does cause a clear mind to pause.

Not a crime to take a meeting. Report the details accurately and move on.

Like I said, liars don't know when to not. Just their nature.

I hate lying and using the word "transparency" in the same sentence.

They are lying..

#1 they want the Russians help in future elections
#2 they don't want the appearance they needed the Russians help in this election
#3 they are con men, that's what they do.
#4 Putin doesn't like failure. People end up dead when they fail Putin.
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(07-15-2017 10:33 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 09:30 AM)Paul M Wrote:  The lying is stupid. No reason for it.

Unless there is. Doesn't seem to be.

I know the hard core partisans will deny the lying and constant changing stories but it does cause a clear mind to pause.

Not a crime to take a meeting. Report the details accurately and move on.

Like I said, liars don't know when to not. Just their nature.

I hate lying and using the word "transparency" in the same sentence.

They are lying..

#1 they want the Russians help in future elections
#2 they don't want the appearance they needed the Russians help in this election
#3 they are con men, that's what they do.
#4 Putin doesn't like failure. People end up dead when they fail Putin.

...all whilst poo-tootin' is getting his arse handed to him on a djt platter by a playah....

even your nuts zongo sees that...
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(07-15-2017 07:44 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  Maybe someone has suggested this before and if so, my apologies.

But the narrative here seems to be that the Russians supposedly had information on Hillary that would be damaging to her chances for election.

If in fact, the Russians did have something real and damaging, didn't the voters have the right to know this before going to the voting booths? And in this case, wouldn't the Trump team have an obligation to the voters to make this information public? Isn't the foundation of a vibrant democracy, informed voters?
The funny thing is the only Russian generated dirt that has been released so far was the stupid fake dossier.

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(07-15-2017 12:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 07:44 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  Maybe someone has suggested this before and if so, my apologies.

But the narrative here seems to be that the Russians supposedly had information on Hillary that would be damaging to her chances for election.

If in fact, the Russians did have something real and damaging, didn't the voters have the right to know this before going to the voting booths? And in this case, wouldn't the Trump team have an obligation to the voters to make this information public? Isn't the foundation of a vibrant democracy, informed voters?
The funny thing is the only Russian generated dirt that has been released so far was the stupid fake dossier.

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True but I was trying to get to a bigger point. So let me digress to something we know happened.

I submit that the leaked emails, showing the DNC's actions and Podesta's views of certain groups, were valuable to the voters, as they exposed the level of deceit and disdain for the voters that the DNC had. Furthermore, Podesta's emails laid out for all to see, his views on a group of voters, ie. Catholics.

Regardless how the emails were obtained, once in the open air, the voters had the right to know what Hillary's inner circle believed and were willing to do.
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(07-15-2017 12:33 PM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 12:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 07:44 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  Maybe someone has suggested this before and if so, my apologies.

But the narrative here seems to be that the Russians supposedly had information on Hillary that would be damaging to her chances for election.

If in fact, the Russians did have something real and damaging, didn't the voters have the right to know this before going to the voting booths? And in this case, wouldn't the Trump team have an obligation to the voters to make this information public? Isn't the foundation of a vibrant democracy, informed voters?
The funny thing is the only Russian generated dirt that has been released so far was the stupid fake dossier.

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True but I was trying to get to a bigger point. So let me digress to something we know happened.

I submit that the leaked emails, showing the DNC's actions and Podesta's views of certain groups, were valuable to the voters, as they exposed the level of deceit and disdain for the voters that the DNC had. Furthermore, Podesta's emails laid out for all to see, his views on a group of voters, ie. Catholics.

Regardless how the emails were obtained, once in the open air, the voters had the right to know what Hillary's inner circle believed and were willing to do.
Oh, I agree, but the only evidence we have that the Russians released the emails is because Crowdstrike said so and they are connected both Natalia and the group that was hired to generate the fake dossier.

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Say fake dossier enough and one day you'll actually believe it. 05-stirthepot
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(07-15-2017 01:26 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Say fake dossier enough and one day you'll actually believe it. 05-stirthepot

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