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Realistic Win/Loss record
Have any of the "True Prognosticators" and student of the game come up with a realistic opinion of what our win-loss record could end up being? My problem, I'm looking through green color glasses. 4-8?
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RE: Realistic Win/Loss record
No way to know. My hope is that we find a way to win six, but I'm not basing that on anything. I just haven't seen theses guys play a competitive game, and no one else has either. We probably won't know until after week 2 what sort of team we have.

Kicking off against A&M makes this a winning season.
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(07-13-2017 05:25 PM)CyberBlazer Wrote:  Have any of the "True Prognosticators" and student of the game come up with a realistic opinion of what our win-loss record could end up being? My problem, I'm looking through green color glasses. 4-8?

Just need to hope no one decides to get cute the way Houston did against SMU when they returned to football. Houston ran up the score to 95-21. Hopefully Florida doesn't feel the need to be brutal. I think 4 or 5 wins is feasible.
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RE: Realistic Win/Loss record
I'd say 3 wins. Wouldn't be shocked if it ends up being more though. I'm more concerned about attendance.
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RE: Realistic Win/Loss record
(07-13-2017 05:58 PM)Blazer4Life14 Wrote:  I'd say 3 wins. Wouldn't be shocked if it ends up being more though. I'm more concerned about attendance.

attendance for the opener against AAMU will be surprisingly good. I'm guessing 30K+. Win that, go on the road and beat Ball State and we could have an equal or better (!) showing for game 3 vs Coastal,

Lose the first two and game three could be brutal...
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(07-13-2017 05:55 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  Just need to hope no one decides to get cute the way Houston did against SMU when they returned to football. Houston ran up the score to 95-21. Hopefully Florida doesn't feel the need to be brutal. I think 4 or 5 wins is feasible.

That is inaccurate. UH did not run up the score. SMU was utterly defenseless, putting a bunch of low talent level freshmen out there against UH's scoring machine. That was Andre Ware's Heisman year, and he was 25 for 41 with 6 TD's and did not play in the second half. The problem was that his backup was David Klingler.

The Run 'n Shoot is designed to score quickly. Every play is designed to have the potential to score. Even if you are playing your third string WRs, they want to score a TD, to look good on film. Short of the coaches telling Chuck Weatherspoon to run into the middle of the DL and fall over there was nothing that could stop the scoring.

Jack Pardee, the UH coach, and Forrest Gregg, the SMU coach, were old friends. Pardee didn't want it to end up that way... which does not mean that Gregg wasn't highly PO'd.
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(07-13-2017 06:51 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 05:55 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  Just need to hope no one decides to get cute the way Houston did against SMU when they returned to football. Houston ran up the score to 95-21. Hopefully Florida doesn't feel the need to be brutal. I think 4 or 5 wins is feasible.

That is inaccurate. UH did not run up the score. SMU was utterly defenseless, putting a bunch of low talent level freshmen out there against UH's scoring machine. That was Andre Ware's Heisman year, and he was pulled early in the second quarter. The problem was that his backup was David Klingler.

The Run 'n Shoot is designed to score quickly. Even if you are playing your third string WRs, they want to score, to look good on film. Short of the coaches telling Chuck Weatherspoon to run into the middle of the DL and fall over there was nothing that could stop the scoring.

Jack Pardee, the UH coach, and Forrest Gregg, the SMU coach, were old friends. Pardee didn't want it to end up that way.


You have a different view than SMU fans. Forrest hated Jack after that game for running up the score
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Yeah, I know. Just edited to fix a couple of things - Ware did play in the second quarter, and yes, Gregg was hot as hell about it afterward. It was brutal, and I can't blame the SMU fans for all kinds of hard feelings about it.

I was there, and it wasn't pretty, and no one was proud afterward. The thing is that damn few of those SMU players could have made the team as walk-ons a couple of years before, and that UH team was a flat scoring machine. They scored on 9 of 10 first half possessions. That wasn't a team that ran out of the I where you could just run dive plays and burn a bunch of clock. I mean yeah, they coulda taken a knee on two of three plays and punted, but that's pretty insulting too.

It was bad, like stomping puppies bad.

Ware had 46 TDs that year, Klingler 8 more. Hell, WR Manny Hazard had 22 TDs by himself. Chuck Weatherspoon was the S-back and also returned punts and kicks and averaged 9.6 yards every time he touched the ball.

Like I said, no one was proud. It wasn't the kind of game you brag about.
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RE: Realistic Win/Loss record
I don't ike to make predictions about a whole season in July. I can understand everyone having expectations low but some things to keep in mind

-This team will be physically bigger across the both fronts than any other UAB team.

-This isn't a group of freshman walk ons. There are a lot of guys that have played a lot of football at the JC level and have excelled. Probably 2/3 of the staters and a lot of the back ups will have played JC ball. Some are transfers from other FBS programs.

-Most of the incoming freshmen had multiple offers before picking us.

-They haven't seen live fire as a group but they've bought into the system and they've had up to 18 months to understand what is expected. Because so many have played in tough JC leagues you'll see leadership come very quickly

-They have a HUGE chip on their shoulders.
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RE: Realistic Win/Loss record
I think 4 to 5 five wins would be a reachable goal. Six would be an amazing season.

As Matt said above, though, just walking out onto the field for game one is a huge win. Everything else is gravy.
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(07-13-2017 08:29 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  I think 4 to 5 five wins would be a reachable goal. Six would be an amazing season.

As Matt said above, though, just walking out onto the field for game one is a huge win. Everything else is gravy.

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I am in the AMAZING season camp. I think we are going to be a lot better than most people think!
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I would love 6 wins, but who knows?
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RE: Realistic Win/Loss record
(07-13-2017 07:25 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Yeah, I know. Just edited to fix a couple of things - Ware did play in the second quarter, and yes, Gregg was hot as hell about it afterward. It was brutal, and I can't blame the SMU fans for all kinds of hard feelings about it.

I was there, and it wasn't pretty, and no one was proud afterward. The thing is that damn few of those SMU players could have made the team as walk-ons a couple of years before, and that UH team was a flat scoring machine. They scored on 9 of 10 first half possessions. That wasn't a team that ran out of the I where you could just run dive plays and burn a bunch of clock. I mean yeah, they coulda taken a knee on two of three plays and punted, but that's pretty insulting too.

It was bad, like stomping puppies bad.

Ware had 46 TDs that year, Klingler 8 more. Hell, WR Manny Hazard had 22 TDs by himself. Chuck Weatherspoon was the S-back and also returned punts and kicks and averaged 9.6 yards every time he touched the ball.

Like I said, no one was proud. It wasn't the kind of game you brag about.

When you are up 59-14 at the half and don't want to run the score up you stop throwing the ball. I'm of the opinion if you don't like what the other team is doing, then stop them. But no argument can be made that the score wasn't run up.(and we ended the game by letting the clock run out on their 17 isn't a valid argument)
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6 wins is the ceiling I think, I'm hoping 2 is the floor. I trust that Clark will have the team playing better every week, and that's what we need to not lose sight of.
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I don't know what to expect either. There was a huge excitement about some of the players we were bringing in early, though many of the former "5-star" players didn't make it into school. I think we have some talent, but I am not sure about depth.

I think we need to temper our expectations, especially in public. If we talk 8 wins, and end up with 2 it will be perceived as an unsuccessful season in this state where anything less than 10 wins puts a coach on the hot-seat. I know some folks have been almost offended by some of the magazines and websites that are picking us at the bottom of CUSA and D-I, but that's not a bad thing. I'd rather be expected to win one game, and win four, than be expected to win six and win four.

I agree, as someone posted above, that we'll have a pretty good idea about the team after the first two or three games. And I also agree, that just having our team back on the field on Sept. 2 will be a big W.
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(07-13-2017 05:25 PM)CyberBlazer Wrote:  Have any of the "True Prognosticators" and student of the game come up with a realistic opinion of what our win-loss record could end up being? My problem, I'm looking through green color glasses. 4-8?

Lots of games on the schedule that should be winnable. I don't think calling for 4 wins is being overly optimistic. I'd be disappointed with less than that. I think we should be able to beat Alabama A&M, Coastal Carolina, Rice, & UTEP at home. 4 is the floor imo.
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(07-14-2017 11:56 AM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 05:25 PM)CyberBlazer Wrote:  Have any of the "True Prognosticators" and student of the game come up with a realistic opinion of what our win-loss record could end up being? My problem, I'm looking through green color glasses. 4-8?

Lots of games on the schedule that should be winnable. I don't think calling for 4 wins is being overly optimistic. I'd be disappointed with less than that. I think we should be able to beat Alabama A&M, Coastal Carolina, Rice, & UTEP at home. 4 is the floor imo.

I think that 4 wins is a perfectly good over-under for us, but am just really not sure what side of that line we will end up on. Our offensive line got bigger last spring, but I'm not sure how athletic they are. Our defensive line has good size and a 2 deep rotation, but we have only seen them play against our offensive line and the ones that were here last fall didnt exactly dominate against the o-lineman we had when we were undersized.

Our secondary looks good, but going up against what appears to be a poor group of playmakers on offense. Our best receiver is now playing pro baseball. Our second best receiver is undersized and only had ~350 yards receiving in his one full year of D1. Our two most effective runners appear to be a former walk-on and a converted LB., so how do you judge our secondary? You cant.

At pretty much every position we just can't tell how talented we are (the one example of a position we can judge appears to be punter, and yikes, I'm worried about our punting.) When we kick off, watch the offensive and defensive lines and you will know more after a couple of series of game play than any of us could ever figure out talking about it now. If we are dominating the line of scrimmage against A&M its a good sign, but lets see how they do against a D1 team the following week. If we are not dominating the lines of scrimmage against A&M, then this is going to be a long year and we just need to be patient.
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RE: Realistic Win/Loss record
Our perceived talent level is good enough to win half the games (if no one critically important gets injured) with most victories likely coming later as the TEAM aspect improves with experience. Since we are playing other teams for the first time, the talent may take time to blend together ("chemistry") and the depth chart to become significant. Next season our opponents will have "tape" on what UAB does.

September starting line ups are as much a guessing game for the coaches as for most of the fans. Since UAB will be as much of a mystery team to our opponents as to ourselves, we have an advantage established teams may lack. There is a good possibility that some teams may underestimate us to their detriment.
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RE: Realistic Win/Loss record
As our team is somewhat unknown, I look to the schedule when assessing my expectations. We start the season against a DI-AA team, then play a MAC bottom dweller coming off a 4 win season, then we play a team in their first year of D-I competition, then we play a middle to bottom tier C-USA team coming off a 5 win season, then we get La Tech at home. The schedule lends itself to early success if we are a halfway decent team. I think it is entirely plausible to have 3 wins when Tech comes in, then we hit some tough games. Our opponents are coming off a combined 73-77 year. Take Florida out of that (going to lose that one, so remove them to keep from skewing the numbers), and the two teams who played I-AA schedule last year, and our remaining 9 opponents are coming off a combined 50-64 season.
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