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RE: WAC Player of the Year Candidates
(07-13-2017 11:02 AM)LopesUp Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 09:28 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  Who is better



Eli Chuha or Keonta Vernon?

Vernon


Let's take a look at stats

Game #1 GCU @NMSU

Vernon 3 points, 3 rebounds

Chuha 10 points, 13 rebounds, 3 assist

Game #2 NMSU @GCU

Vernon 6 points, 8 rebounds, 1 assist

Chuha 17 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assist



Eli Chuha clearly dominated Vernon last season.
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RE: WAC Player of the Year Candidates
Here is how I feel, Josh Bruan will average his 16-18 points per game but it's Eli Chuha who I believe will have a monster year possibly averaging a double double on the season.

If I had to pick one player...


It's Eli Chuha.
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(07-13-2017 01:09 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 11:09 AM)LopesUp Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 11:36 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Casey Benson!??? You're crazy. Braun and Chuha are my top two picks. Everyone else is unproven. Loften is intriging because he is a reigning POY of a similar conference like the WAC.

So a guy who won poy in conference that is 2nd to worst in the country is intriguing. But, a guy who was a 3 year starter on a Power 5 (Pac12) school who he helped lead to an Elite 8 in 16 and the Final 4 in 17. Finished second in Pac-12 history with a career 3.23-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio ... 2017 Pac-12 all-academic second team ... Picked up where he left off last season with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.2-to-1 ... Became the eighth member of Oregon’s 80-win club Feb. 16 versus Utah, and finished with 90 wins in an Oregon uniform ... is not intriguing... Makes sense 07-coffee3
Yeah. Intriguing. Did you see who was recruiting Loften? In the other hand you have a guy that averaged 5 points a game. The purple propaganda machine is hard at it acting like Benson is some big time recruit. Maybe out of high school he was but if you think he is as good as Russell you know nothing. Now you picking Vernon over Chuha proves you are a hopeless purple koolaid drinker. I will now be referring to you as purple Frank.

Your right, man. Those scrub schools like Butler & Wisconsin that were chasing Benson are trash. He can't hold a flame to a guy that dropped a deuce (literally only 2 points) on Louisville.
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(07-13-2017 01:09 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 11:09 AM)LopesUp Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 11:36 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Casey Benson!??? You're crazy. Braun and Chuha are my top two picks. Everyone else is unproven. Loften is intriging because he is a reigning POY of a similar conference like the WAC.

So a guy who won poy in conference that is 2nd to worst in the country is intriguing. But, a guy who was a 3 year starter on a Power 5 (Pac12) school who he helped lead to an Elite 8 in 16 and the Final 4 in 17. Finished second in Pac-12 history with a career 3.23-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio ... 2017 Pac-12 all-academic second team ... Picked up where he left off last season with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.2-to-1 ... Became the eighth member of Oregon’s 80-win club Feb. 16 versus Utah, and finished with 90 wins in an Oregon uniform ... is not intriguing... Makes sense 07-coffee3
Yeah. Intriguing. Did you see who was recruiting Loften? In the other hand you have a guy that averaged 5 points a game. The purple propaganda machine is hard at it acting like Benson is some big time recruit. Maybe out of high school he was but if you think he is as good as Russell you know nothing. Now you picking Vernon over Chuha proves you are a hopeless purple koolaid drinker. I will now be referring to you as purple Frank.
That's all I wanted dancing. Lol. I think you know that I know that you know that I know ha ha.
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(07-13-2017 02:00 PM)gleadley Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 01:09 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 11:09 AM)LopesUp Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 11:36 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Casey Benson!??? You're crazy. Braun and Chuha are my top two picks. Everyone else is unproven. Loften is intriging because he is a reigning POY of a similar conference like the WAC.

So a guy who won poy in conference that is 2nd to worst in the country is intriguing. But, a guy who was a 3 year starter on a Power 5 (Pac12) school who he helped lead to an Elite 8 in 16 and the Final 4 in 17. Finished second in Pac-12 history with a career 3.23-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio ... 2017 Pac-12 all-academic second team ... Picked up where he left off last season with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.2-to-1 ... Became the eighth member of Oregon’s 80-win club Feb. 16 versus Utah, and finished with 90 wins in an Oregon uniform ... is not intriguing... Makes sense 07-coffee3
Yeah. Intriguing. Did you see who was recruiting Loften? In the other hand you have a guy that averaged 5 points a game. The purple propaganda machine is hard at it acting like Benson is some big time recruit. Maybe out of high school he was but if you think he is as good as Russell you know nothing. Now you picking Vernon over Chuha proves you are a hopeless purple koolaid drinker. I will now be referring to you as purple Frank.

Your right, man. Those scuba schools like Butler & Wisconsin that were chasing Benson are trash. He can't hold a flame to a guy that dropped a deuce (literally only 2 points) on Louisville.


Benson will be good but I doubt he even averages double digits in scoring this season.
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(07-13-2017 02:00 PM)gleadley Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 01:09 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 11:09 AM)LopesUp Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 11:36 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Casey Benson!??? You're crazy. Braun and Chuha are my top two picks. Everyone else is unproven. Loften is intriging because he is a reigning POY of a similar conference like the WAC.

So a guy who won poy in conference that is 2nd to worst in the country is intriguing. But, a guy who was a 3 year starter on a Power 5 (Pac12) school who he helped lead to an Elite 8 in 16 and the Final 4 in 17. Finished second in Pac-12 history with a career 3.23-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio ... 2017 Pac-12 all-academic second team ... Picked up where he left off last season with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.2-to-1 ... Became the eighth member of Oregon’s 80-win club Feb. 16 versus Utah, and finished with 90 wins in an Oregon uniform ... is not intriguing... Makes sense 07-coffee3
Yeah. Intriguing. Did you see who was recruiting Loften? In the other hand you have a guy that averaged 5 points a game. The purple propaganda machine is hard at it acting like Benson is some big time recruit. Maybe out of high school he was but if you think he is as good as Russell you know nothing. Now you picking Vernon over Chuha proves you are a hopeless purple koolaid drinker. I will now be referring to you as purple Frank.

Your right, man. Those scrub schools like Butler & Wisconsin that were chasing Benson are trash. He can't hold a flame to a guy that dropped a deuce (literally only 2 points) on Louisville.

I am not debating whether Benson will be good or not... he will be. But comparing the two (Benson & Lofton) based on last season's stats or any individual game performance is useless. They both come from different situations at their respective programs. Lofton was the primary scorer at Texas Southern. Benson was a complimentary player at Oregon. Opposing defenses defended these two players differently due to the talent around them.
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(07-13-2017 02:00 PM)gleadley Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 01:09 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 11:09 AM)LopesUp Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 11:36 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Casey Benson!??? You're crazy. Braun and Chuha are my top two picks. Everyone else is unproven. Loften is intriging because he is a reigning POY of a similar conference like the WAC.

So a guy who won poy in conference that is 2nd to worst in the country is intriguing. But, a guy who was a 3 year starter on a Power 5 (Pac12) school who he helped lead to an Elite 8 in 16 and the Final 4 in 17. Finished second in Pac-12 history with a career 3.23-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio ... 2017 Pac-12 all-academic second team ... Picked up where he left off last season with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.2-to-1 ... Became the eighth member of Oregon’s 80-win club Feb. 16 versus Utah, and finished with 90 wins in an Oregon uniform ... is not intriguing... Makes sense 07-coffee3
Yeah. Intriguing. Did you see who was recruiting Loften? In the other hand you have a guy that averaged 5 points a game. The purple propaganda machine is hard at it acting like Benson is some big time recruit. Maybe out of high school he was but if you think he is as good as Russell you know nothing. Now you picking Vernon over Chuha proves you are a hopeless purple koolaid drinker. I will now be referring to you as purple Frank.

Your right, man. Those scrub schools like Butler & Wisconsin that were chasing Benson are trash. He can't hold a flame to a guy that dropped a deuce (literally only 2 points) on Louisville.
So your judging a player on one game? I forgot that's what GCU guys do. We will be hearing about Dwayne Russells game for the rest of the decade. Body of work bud. 5 points a game for your boy Benson.
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(07-13-2017 04:16 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 02:00 PM)gleadley Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 01:09 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 11:09 AM)LopesUp Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 11:36 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Casey Benson!??? You're crazy. Braun and Chuha are my top two picks. Everyone else is unproven. Loften is intriging because he is a reigning POY of a similar conference like the WAC.

So a guy who won poy in conference that is 2nd to worst in the country is intriguing. But, a guy who was a 3 year starter on a Power 5 (Pac12) school who he helped lead to an Elite 8 in 16 and the Final 4 in 17. Finished second in Pac-12 history with a career 3.23-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio ... 2017 Pac-12 all-academic second team ... Picked up where he left off last season with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.2-to-1 ... Became the eighth member of Oregon’s 80-win club Feb. 16 versus Utah, and finished with 90 wins in an Oregon uniform ... is not intriguing... Makes sense 07-coffee3
Yeah. Intriguing. Did you see who was recruiting Loften? In the other hand you have a guy that averaged 5 points a game. The purple propaganda machine is hard at it acting like Benson is some big time recruit. Maybe out of high school he was but if you think he is as good as Russell you know nothing. Now you picking Vernon over Chuha proves you are a hopeless purple koolaid drinker. I will now be referring to you as purple Frank.

Your right, man. Those scrub schools like Butler & Wisconsin that were chasing Benson are trash. He can't hold a flame to a guy that dropped a deuce (literally only 2 points) on Louisville.
So your judging a player on one game? I forgot that's what GCU guys do. We will be hearing about Dwayne Russells game for the rest of the decade. Body of work bud. 5 points a game for your boy Benson.

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Realistically I'm thinking Benson puts together 8pts/6ass/1-2TO type games all season long. Anything more will be a bonus.
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6 to 1 assist to turnover ratio is not happening lol. Monte Morris lead the nation at just over 5. Brent Wrapp led the WAC with 2.3 this year for reference.
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My pick: Nick Dixon
Non homer pick: Nick Dixon
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(07-13-2017 05:15 PM)Clarity Wrote:  6 to 1 assist to turnover ratio is not happening lol. Monte Morris lead the nation at just over 5. Brent Wrapp led the WAC with 2.3 this year for reference.

I consider Benson being very similar to Wrapp in ability. I think Benson is a better perimeter shooter but Wrapp has become a pretty good dribble driver taking the ball to the hole; through contact.

This well be an interesting season; a battle of wills among the respective back courts. I am pretty sure NMSU will have the quickess guard combos in the WAC. But they will also be one of the shortest.
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(07-13-2017 05:15 PM)Clarity Wrote:  6 to 1 assist to turnover ratio is not happening lol. Monte Morris lead the nation at just over 5. Brent Wrapp led the WAC with 2.3 this year for reference.

Finished second in Pac-12 history with a career 3.23-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio ... 2017 Picked up where he left off last season with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.2-to-1
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(07-13-2017 06:43 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 05:15 PM)Clarity Wrote:  6 to 1 assist to turnover ratio is not happening lol. Monte Morris lead the nation at just over 5. Brent Wrapp led the WAC with 2.3 this year for reference.

I consider Benson being very similar to Wrapp in ability. I think Benson is a better perimeter shooter but Wrapp has become a pretty good dribble driver taking the ball to the hole; through contact.

This well be an interesting season; a battle of wills among the respective back courts. I am pretty sure NMSU will have the quickess guard combos in the WAC. But they will also be one of the shortest.

Wrapp is pretty underrated by everyone because he isn't a scorer. He could be if he wanted to, he's just a pass first guy. Barnes did say he wanted him to score more this year though. All around good player especially on defense and passing along with good length. Finds some really pretty passes. Very Ricky Rubio esque game.
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(07-13-2017 06:47 PM)LopesUp Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 05:15 PM)Clarity Wrote:  6 to 1 assist to turnover ratio is not happening lol. Monte Morris lead the nation at just over 5. Brent Wrapp led the WAC with 2.3 this year for reference.

Finished second in Pac-12 history with a career 3.23-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio ... 2017 Picked up where he left off last season with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.2-to-1

I can see him getting up to 4-1. If he averaged 3.23 in the Pac12, who is a lot more athletic, and significantly more length than the WAC and pair it up with the atrocious OOC schedule GCU put together I say it's realistic.
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He's going to be playing a lot more minutes than last year and Wrapp had a better ratio compared to him last year. He will probably be good but not one of the leaders in the nation. Again for reference at 2.3 Wrapp was still top 60 in the country.
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If I had to choose between Wrapp and Benson give me Wrapp. Another reason to hate GCU is both Benson's for GCU are related to Scum Belt commissioner
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(07-13-2017 05:07 PM)JustALopesFan Wrote:  Realistically I'm thinking Benson puts together 8pts/6ass/1-2TO type games all season long. Anything more will be a bonus.


I really doubt that but you can dream :)
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(07-13-2017 07:48 PM)JustALopesFan Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 06:47 PM)LopesUp Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 05:15 PM)Clarity Wrote:  6 to 1 assist to turnover ratio is not happening lol. Monte Morris lead the nation at just over 5. Brent Wrapp led the WAC with 2.3 this year for reference.

Finished second in Pac-12 history with a career 3.23-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio ... 2017 Picked up where he left off last season with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.2-to-1

I can see him getting up to 4-1. If he averaged 3.23 in the Pac12, who is a lot more athletic, and significantly more length than the WAC and pair it up with the atrocious OOC schedule GCU put together I say it's realistic.


He is also not going to have that talent around him like he had at Oregon. He will get a reality check come this fall.
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(07-14-2017 01:22 AM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 07:48 PM)JustALopesFan Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 06:47 PM)LopesUp Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 05:15 PM)Clarity Wrote:  6 to 1 assist to turnover ratio is not happening lol. Monte Morris lead the nation at just over 5. Brent Wrapp led the WAC with 2.3 this year for reference.

Finished second in Pac-12 history with a career 3.23-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio ... 2017 Picked up where he left off last season with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.2-to-1

I can see him getting up to 4-1. If he averaged 3.23 in the Pac12, who is a lot more athletic, and significantly more length than the WAC and pair it up with the atrocious OOC schedule GCU put together I say it's realistic.


He is also not going to have that talent around him like he had at Oregon. He will get a reality check come this fall.

Very true, there is not as much defensive opposition in the WAC as in the PAC 12... but also there is not as much talent on the GCU team surrounding Benson as there was at Oregon. Threading passes to Vernon in the paint might prove to be more difficult than getting the ball to players like Brooks, Dorsey, or Boucher at Oregon. Also, keep in mind, even with all the talent at Oregon, Benson never produce more than a 3 assist per game average in any of his three season there. The other component of an assist is his teammates must make shot when fed the ball. I can see Benson being about as efficient a passer as Wrapp but not much more.
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