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RE: CAA tourney format changing, new TV deal
I would call this a "schedule" change, not a "format" change. If some teams were not invited to the tournament or some teams were given double byes, those would be format changes. I don't want a format change. I was just giving examples of what a format change would be. The 2000 World Series started on a Saturday. The World Series now starts on a Wednesday, but it wasn't a format change.

(07-12-2017 12:21 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Agreed.

I'm fine with the CAA Tournament moving every 3 years or so, to appease different parts of the conference. Scrapping the system of neutral court makes no sense.
I agree.

(07-12-2017 02:40 PM)dan10 Wrote:  That is why our conference should have semi finals on Saturday and the finals on Sunday. Both should be at the same neutral location. Thursday and Friday games can be played at the higher seeds home courts. Cuts travel costs for teams and fans, potentially, but still keep the important part of the tournament at a neutral place on the weekend when you will have the best ability to travel
You can't expect teams to play three consecutive days at three places. Delaware was the 9 seed in 2016-2017. They beat 8 seed Hofstra and lost to 1 seed UNCW. Let's say those games were at Hofstra on Thursday and at UNCW on Friday. Let's say Delaware won both games. Then they would have to travel to Virginia for a neutral site game on Saturday. I say Virginia because Towson and James Madison are the middle two teams in north to south order.

(07-12-2017 03:07 PM)solohawks Wrote:  That is what the Horizon does, except the #1 seeds gets to host the semis and finals. I think the CAA should look at that idea especially if they are going to be playing their major games on off nights, like the Horizon.
I like the fact that the CAA Final is not on the last Saturday with a double-digit amount of Finals and about five conferences of Semifinals.
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(07-12-2017 03:07 PM)solohawks Wrote:  That is what the Horizon does, except the #1 seeds gets to host the semis and finals. I think the CAA should look at that idea especially if they are going to be playing their major games on off nights, like the Horizon.

Last year the Horizon changed their format. Now it is held in Detroit at the Red Wings new arena (last year was at Joe Louis Arena). It drew terribly, after Oakland, Detroit and Valpo were all knocked out early. The final ended up being Milwaukee and Northern Kentucky in front of a couple of thousand people. It looked bad on TV as most of the fans were NKU students that were brought in the day of the game by bus.

This Tuesday night slot won't be without competition either. That Horizon title game, the NEC, the WCC (with Gonzaga and/or St. Mary's almost every year) and the Summit were all on that night last season, plus an ACC first round game.

With D'Antonio's Big East background, I'm surprised he didn't swing a slot for FS1/2 to carry these games. That would have given a lot more exposure to the league than this deal.
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(07-12-2017 07:18 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  You can't expect teams to play three consecutive days at three places. Delaware was the 9 seed in 2016-2017. They beat 8 seed Hofstra and lost to 1 seed UNCW. Let's say those games were at Hofstra on Thursday and at UNCW on Friday. Let's say Delaware won both games. Then they would have to travel to Virginia for a neutral site game on Saturday. I say Virginia because Towson and James Madison are the middle two teams in north to south order.

Thats fair. So let's do a format change and reduce the number of qualifying teams so its just Fri-Sun. Have teams play early Friday so they can fly out by Friday night so there is time to recover for the weekend. Our conference has shown historically that the teams outside of the top 4 really do not have much of a chance anyways, so this would be the advantage for the top seeds. I have no problems giving top teams in the conference some type of advantage for their regular season work.
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(07-13-2017 06:21 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 07:18 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  You can't expect teams to play three consecutive days at three places. Delaware was the 9 seed in 2016-2017. They beat 8 seed Hofstra and lost to 1 seed UNCW. Let's say those games were at Hofstra on Thursday and at UNCW on Friday. Let's say Delaware won both games. Then they would have to travel to Virginia for a neutral site game on Saturday. I say Virginia because Towson and James Madison are the middle two teams in north to south order.

Thats fair. So let's do a format change and reduce the number of qualifying teams so its just Fri-Sun. Have teams play early Friday so they can fly out by Friday night so there is time to recover for the weekend. Our conference has shown historically that the teams outside of the top 4 really do not have much of a chance anyways, so this would be the advantage for the top seeds. I have no problems giving top teams in the conference some type of advantage for their regular season work.
Top two teams host multiple games at their location opening day, Then it moves to neutral site. One travel day
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(07-12-2017 02:22 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 01:57 PM)70shawk Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 12:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Nothing says crappy conference like 1000 people or less in a 14K seat arena, which is what may happen.

^^^This^^^

And no amount of Claflin can fix that!

Claflin cannot be forceably administered to a patient. They have to take it voluntarily, and that means they first have to realize they are sick.

In the case, the CAA patient doesn't want to face up to the fact that all is not well. Obviously the Tuesday night championship was done for TV....yet they don't seem to have a clue about the effect that an empty/sparse crowd area during league's biggest showcase game has on it's image.

UNCW vs Charleston sort of bailed them out (enabled them) in 2017. They won't be so lucky in the future.

By that time, even prescription-strength Claflin may not be enough!
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Will regular season games still be on roku? Have seen nothing about any games on TV in regular season
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Whatever TV the CAA has for this season will probably be announced in late August, whenever they usually release the conference schedule.
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(07-12-2017 12:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 12:10 PM)Dash Rip Rock Jr Wrote:  Nothing says crappy conference more than playing conference tournament games on home courts

I disagree

Nothing says crappy conference like 1000 people or less in a 14K seat arena, which is what may happen.

Welcome to CUSA and the Sun Belt!

Actually, no worries. Charleston is the odds on favorite and they will likely be in through Tuesday - possibly for the 3rd and last year as well in Charleston. They have a nice following as seen last year.

After that, agree, back to a more central location.
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(07-13-2017 02:06 PM)swampcougar1 Wrote:  Will regular season games still be on roku? Have seen nothing about any games on TV in regular season

They don't have football tv announced much less basketball

Having said that CAA.TV is owned by the CAA so I would guess games would still be available as they were last year
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(07-12-2017 12:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 12:10 PM)Dash Rip Rock Jr Wrote:  Nothing says crappy conference more than playing conference tournament games on home courts

I disagree

Nothing says crappy conference like 1000 people or less in a 14K seat arena, which is what may happen.

Let's be honest, in D1 hoops you can count the number of sold out or near capacity crowds for conference tournaments on one hand.

No one is watching Milwaukee vs Northern Kentucky in Joe Louis Arena on a Monday night. Who cares.

If its NU vs. Hofstra in Charleston so be it. Luck of the draw. Why obsess about TV look. No one is watching anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like a sellout too, but it can't happen all the time.
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(07-14-2017 01:03 AM)geewizNU Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 12:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 12:10 PM)Dash Rip Rock Jr Wrote:  Nothing says crappy conference more than playing conference tournament games on home courts

I disagree

Nothing says crappy conference like 1000 people or less in a 14K seat arena, which is what may happen.

Let's be honest, in D1 hoops you can count the number of sold out or near capacity crowds for conference tournaments on one hand.

No one is watching Milwaukee vs Northern Kentucky in Joe Louis Arena on a Monday night. Who cares.

If its NU vs. Hofstra in Charleston so be it. Luck of the draw. Why obsess about TV look. No one is watching anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like a sellout too, but it can't happen all the time.

of course I agree with you 100%

BUT

you have to put yourself in the best position.

Charleston was a good location for the fan bases that would travel. A Monday night made sense because that allowed the traveling fan bases to make a weekend of the tournament. Monday night was always going to be a crap shoot depending on where it was and who was playing. Its still a crap shoot on Tuesday, but the reward is much less. Charleston UNCW (the best money matchup the CAA can get in Charleston) will draw less on a Tuesday than it will on a Monday. If your best money matchup will draw less than it is safe to assume that all matchups will draw less. Now some schools like Hofstra and NE will draw flies in Charleston no matter when and where you play, but others like JMU and the Tribe will also draw less on a Tuesday than on a Monday in Charleston simply due to logistics.

So not only has the CAA decreased the potential championship payoff by moving the championship game from Monday to Tuesday, they have absolutely massacred Semifinal Sunday. Best case scenario on Semifinal Sunday would have been JMU, W&M, UNCW, and CoC in whatever combination. That would have drawn a pretty good crowd on a Sunday. However, that crowd on a Monday will draw much much less. Again, due to logistics.

Even QF Saturday being on Sunday is a negative as who wants to go to Charleston on a Sunday knowing your team might lose? If your team loses on a Saturday you can still enjoy the part of Saturday you are not in the coliseum as well as a relaxing Sunday with plenty of time to get home for work on Monday. That is gone.

Now the CAA tournament will be only for the hardest, and financially welloff, of hardcores, and whatever casual crowd the city of Charleston can muster, which to be honest, was underwhelming last year.

And they are doing this for what??? Money? No. ESPN exposure? No.
They are doing this to get on an upper level cable sports channel no one watches.

In VA/MD is the casual fan more likely to watch Comcast Sports, the channel with the Wizards and Capitals, or CBS Sports Network. Same question in NY, Boston, and Philly/DE, SNY (the channel with the Mets), Comcast New England (the channel with the Celtics), Comcast Philly (the channel with all Philly pro sports teams) or CBS Sports Network.

Now throw in the southern schools. Are people in Charleston, Wilmington, and Greensboro more likely to watch a local channel on basic cable available over the air for free to anyone or CBS Sports Network.

There is just nothing positive about this decision and that is coming from a guy mullet has described as a CAA homer.
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(07-14-2017 10:07 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 01:03 AM)geewizNU Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 12:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 12:10 PM)Dash Rip Rock Jr Wrote:  Nothing says crappy conference more than playing conference tournament games on home courts

I disagree

Nothing says crappy conference like 1000 people or less in a 14K seat arena, which is what may happen.

Let's be honest, in D1 hoops you can count the number of sold out or near capacity crowds for conference tournaments on one hand.

No one is watching Milwaukee vs Northern Kentucky in Joe Louis Arena on a Monday night. Who cares.

If its NU vs. Hofstra in Charleston so be it. Luck of the draw. Why obsess about TV look. No one is watching anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like a sellout too, but it can't happen all the time.

of course I agree with you 100%

BUT

you have to put yourself in the best position.

Charleston was a good location for the fan bases that would travel. A Monday night made sense because that allowed the traveling fan bases to make a weekend of the tournament. Monday night was always going to be a crap shoot depending on where it was and who was playing. Its still a crap shoot on Tuesday, but the reward is much less. Charleston UNCW (the best money matchup the CAA can get in Charleston) will draw less on a Tuesday than it will on a Monday. If your best money matchup will draw less than it is safe to assume that all matchups will draw less. Now some schools like Hofstra and NE will draw flies in Charleston no matter when and where you play, but others like JMU and the Tribe will also draw less on a Tuesday than on a Monday in Charleston simply due to logistics.

So not only has the CAA decreased the potential championship payoff by moving the championship game from Monday to Tuesday, they have absolutely massacred Semifinal Sunday. Best case scenario on Semifinal Sunday would have been JMU, W&M, UNCW, and CoC in whatever combination. That would have drawn a pretty good crowd on a Sunday. However, that crowd on a Monday will draw much much less. Again, due to logistics.

Even QF Saturday being on Sunday is a negative as who wants to go to Charleston on a Sunday knowing your team might lose? If your team loses on a Saturday you can still enjoy the part of Saturday you are not in the coliseum as well as a relaxing Sunday with plenty of time to get home for work on Monday. That is gone.

Now the CAA tournament will be only for the hardest, and financially welloff, of hardcores, and whatever casual crowd the city of Charleston can muster, which to be honest, was underwhelming last year.

And they are doing this for what??? Money? No. ESPN exposure? No.
They are doing this to get on an upper level cable sports channel no one watches.

In VA/MD is the casual fan more likely to watch Comcast Sports, the channel with the Wizards and Capitals, or CBS Sports Network. Same question in NY, Boston, and Philly/DE, SNY (the channel with the Mets), Comcast New England (the channel with the Celtics), Comcast Philly (the channel with all Philly pro sports teams) or CBS Sports Network.

Now throw in the southern schools. Are people in Charleston, Wilmington, and Greensboro more likely to watch a local channel on basic cable available over the air for free to anyone or CBS Sports Network.

There is just nothing positive about this decision and that is coming from a guy mullet has described as a CAA homer.

Oh I don't like this new format one bit.

I posted it on Dieharddogs and every alum said there's no way they could miss three work days to see a championship.
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Another lesser reason why they are doing this is perhaps for the students that are on spring break during this week. UNCW, W&M, JMU, and Northeastern have spring break during CAA tournament week next year, while CofC is still in school for another week.

I guess they think people will travel from up north, make a couple of days of it on their way to/from Florida, and go that way. CofC would probably set up shuttles from downtown Charleston to take students to the Coliseum.

Last year, since it was spring break, there were few CofC students for the first game, maybe 50 or so for game 2, and the section was filled for the finals, while UNCW filled their section for at least the semis and the finals, and probably the first game too.

The semifinals last year drew 4,708 fans. And that was with CofC playing in a good slot, 4:30 on a Sunday. UNCW and William & Mary brought as many fans as CofC did. The championship drew 6,342.

You can't expect families to stay till 11 or 11:30pm on a weeknight to watch semifinal games of a non-major league. The ACC and other major leagues can do that because of all the boosters that usually buy these tickets for these tourneys, while the CAA and other leagues at our level don't have as much of that.

Also, most of CofC's fan base is to the south of the Coliseum. Mostly West Ashley, downtown Charleston, Mount Pleasant, and James Island, so they would have to drive 15-20 minutes or more to get home. You saw this last year during the finals. Many of our fans were late-arriving, because they were either headed there straight from work downtown or Mount Pleasant.

I could understand doing this for FS1/2 or a ESPN net, but not for a network that even sports fans don't often know exists. NBCSN was basically out of the question because of their expansion of their hockey package, which draws more younger viewers than mid-major basketball.
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(07-14-2017 12:19 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Another lesser reason why they are doing this is perhaps for the students that are on spring break during this week. UNCW, W&M, JMU, and Northeastern have spring break during CAA tournament week next year, while CofC is still in school for another week.

I guess they think people will travel from up north, make a couple of days of it on their way to/from Florida, and go that way. CofC would probably set up shuttles from downtown Charleston to take students to the Coliseum.

Last year, since it was spring break, there were few CofC students for the first game, maybe 50 or so for game 2, and the section was filled for the finals, while UNCW filled their section for at least the semis and the finals, and probably the first game too.

The semifinals last year drew 4,708 fans. And that was with CofC playing in a good slot, 4:30 on a Sunday. UNCW and William & Mary brought as many fans as CofC did. The championship drew 6,342.

You can't expect families to stay till 11 or 11:30pm on a weeknight to watch semifinal games of a non-major league. The ACC and other major leagues can do that because of all the boosters that usually buy these tickets for these tourneys, while the CAA and other leagues at our level don't have as much of that.

Also, most of CofC's fan base is to the south of the Coliseum. Mostly West Ashley, downtown Charleston, Mount Pleasant, and James Island, so they would have to drive 15-20 minutes or more to get home. You saw this last year during the finals. Many of our fans were late-arriving, because they were either headed there straight from work downtown or Mount Pleasant.

I could understand doing this for FS1/2 or a ESPN net, but not for a network that even sports fans don't often know exists. NBCSN was basically out of the question because of their expansion of their hockey package, which draws more younger viewers than mid-major basketball.

And I thought we couldn't do any worse than Tom Yeager. Boy was I naive....
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What is this new guys plan?

Seriously. What are his goals?

Last year at this time ESPN had our football media day on espn3. However that never amounted to anything and now the conference is 1 month away from football season and 4 months from basketball season with nothing except a terrible in many regards basketball championship deal.

The only thing I can think of is that we are going all in with the new Stadium Network, which is just the American Sports Network with a new name and better internet distribution, and CAA.TV
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https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...a37ef.html

Don't expect any major announcments at the football media day tomorrow.

Outside of CAA.TV and this CBS Sports Network deal there might not be any TV this year.
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(07-24-2017 02:58 PM)solohawks Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...a37ef.html

Don't expect any major announcments at the football media day tomorrow.

Outside of CAA.TV and this CBS Sports Network deal there might not be any TV this year.

The CAA office is too busy pontificating on who should be able to use who's bathroom in NC to to worry about securing a TV contract...
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http://csnbbs.com/thread-785465-post-144...id14463350

JMU board has a quote from this commissioner. Says we are waiting on contracts to finalize for CBS Digital and Twitter and then will announce.

If this is the CBS Digital he is referring to http://www.collegesportslive.com/start/ then be prepared to be underwhelmed
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If you look at the schedule of events for our fall sports on uncwsports.com you will see that there is NO link for audio and/or video, just stats.

That would seem to indicate to me based on the JMU report and the lack of listing that CAA.TV will be no more and we will be exclusive to collegesportslive.com behind a $10/month paywall
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What about ROKU? Will that still be available? I'm buying mine Aug 1.
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