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RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State)
(07-11-2017 11:13 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:50 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  C-USA is not a valuable candidate for C-USA. C-USA got burned in adding North Texas, FIU, FAU and Charlotte. 4 vary large markets, but no success in tv ratings. Georgia State brings nothing for tv ratings to actually helped C-USA. Arkansas State, Troy, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, La-Lafayette and even Texas State have more viewers in ratings. Being like a fourth to fifth team in football in the state of Georgia does not helped them at all.

Like I said, Texas State can't be added. Lamar or another school not already in the San Antonio market will get the call before them. The only time they would get in is when UTSA goes to AAC asa replacement for Houston.

Sad but true.


I made a correction in my post. I meant Georgia State is not a valuable candidate for C-USA. The ratings prove that they can't garner the viewership to justified for an add. Arkansas State is a much better candidate for that. Even James Madison on the east as well.
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(07-11-2017 04:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 04:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  G5 Network could add these schools for all sports for all year round: ...
{edited: list of 70+ schools}
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You do realize that people following the thread that have DavidSt blocked avoided having to see that list until you replied with the list in its entirety rather than editing it down, in order to make a one word reply?

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(07-11-2017 04:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  ...
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Yup. Nothing like DavidSt posting 143 options for CUSA that he deems more worthy than Georgia St. I believe Lindenwood and West Chester are particularly thought provoking. I think he's become our third biggest rival behind GS and USA. His hatred is strong.
Hunt and replace "one word" for "two line", then ditto.
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(07-12-2017 01:04 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  You do realize that people following the thread that have DavidSt blocked avoided having to see that list until you replied with the list in its entirety rather than editing it down, in order to make a one word reply?

Many apologies. As a rule, I don't block people, but do feel free to block me as well. Thanks!
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(07-11-2017 04:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the NCAA would allow C-USA to split up and split their credits then the East and the West could each add 1-3 schools and things would be rosy.

I agree with the OP that Georgia St with their media market and retrofitted stadium are the best choice in the East followed by Appalachian St and Georgia Southern.

In the west I think Texas St is at best the third west option after Arkansas St and ULL.
We are not going to CUSA. LOL

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(07-11-2017 05:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 04:41 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the NCAA would allow C-USA to split up and split their credits then the East and the West could each add 1-3 schools and things would be rosy.

I agree with the OP that Georgia St with their media market and retrofitted stadium are the best choice in the East followed by Appalachian St and Georgia Southern.

In the west I think Texas St is at best the third west option after Arkansas St and ULL.

The thing is---options #1 and #2 lose money moving to CUSA. It makes sense for Texas St because I think regular games with the other Texas teams in CUSA will fill enough seats make it work. I also think it aids in getting more Texas States on fanbase interested (certain to happen when the Bobcats eventually start winning--which is inevitable---too much talent around them).

For Georgia St, the pay off isnt all that grand. In fact---I dont think there is a payoff. I think Georgia St might say no to that offer (at least as things now stand).
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(07-11-2017 10:50 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 06:42 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 04:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 04:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  G5 Network could add these schools for all sports for all year round:
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Montana and Montana State
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Wichita State
Northern Iowa
Missouri State
UCA could bring a market.
Little Rock if they add football
UTA if they add football
West Texas A&M upgrading
Central Oklahoma upgrading
Lamar
Angelo State upgrading
McNeese State
Sam Houston State
SFA
UTRGV
Mankato State upgrading
Illinois State
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Milwaukee for basketball and later add football
Wayne State, Mich. upgrading
Jacksonville State
Jackson State in case Southern Miss goes somewhere.
North Alabama
Chattanooga
East Tennessee State
Eastern Kentucky
North Florida adding football later
FGCU adding football later
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Valparaiso
Dayton
VCU
Kennesaw State
James Madison
William and Mary
Towson
Kutztown upgrading
Slippery Rock upgrading
Stony Brook
Albany
Central Conn. State incase UConn gets invited to a P5 conference.
Delaware
URI
Davidson
College of Charleston
Shepherd upgrading
Rowan wants in D1.
New Hampshire
Maine
Holy Cross
Long Beach State
Northern Arizona
Augusta
Azusa Pacific
Bellarmine
UC-San Diego (good basketball, and could create a crosstown rival in basketball. Would be the UCLA/USC of the G5.)
Colorado Mesa (Beach Volleyball and some other sports as filler)
Dallas Baptist
Arkansas Tech
Lindenwood
St. Louis
LIU-Brooklyn and LIU-Post merges. Post will upgrade football to FCS level.
Minn.-Duluth
Colorado-Colorado Springs
New York Tech
North Georgia
Texas A&M-Kingsville
West Chester

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Yup. Nothing like DavidSt posting 143 options for CUSA that he deems more worthy than Georgia St. I believe Lindenwood and West Chester are particularly thought provoking. I think he's become our third biggest rival behind GS and USA. His hatred is strong.

Georgia State is not a valuable candidate for C-USA. C-USA got burned in adding North Texas, FIU, FAU and Charlotte. 4 vary large markets, but no success in tv ratings. Georgia State brings nothing for tv ratings to actually helped C-USA. Arkansas State, Troy, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, La-Lafayette and even Texas State have more viewers in ratings. Being like a fourth to fifth team in football in the state of Georgia does not helped them at all.

Like I said, Texas State can't be added. Lamar or another school not already in the San Antonio market will get the call before them. The only time they would get in is when UTSA goes to AAC asa replacement for Houston.
Completely agree. CUSA should not invite GSU.

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RE: Will CUSA expand within the next 3 years? (adding Texas State and Georgia State)
(07-12-2017 05:18 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 01:04 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  ou do realize that people following the thread that have DavidSt blocked avoided having to see that list until you replied with the list in its entirety rather than editing it down, in order to make a one word reply?

Many apologies. As a rule, I don't block people, but do feel free to block me as well. Thanks!
Oh, hush now, my blocklist only has one entry in it, and that's not about to change just because you duplicated a 70+ line comment for a one word reply.
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(07-11-2017 02:08 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Here's what we do: Merge the Sun Belt and CUSA, add JMU and Missouri State for 26 schools.

Football
* 13 divisions of two teams apiece (UTEP-UTSA, Rice-Texas State, North Texas-Louisiana Tech, ULL-ULM, Arkansas State-Missouri State, FIU-FAU, South Alabama-Southern Miss, Troy-UAB, WKU-Middle Tennessee, ODU-JMU, Charlotte-Coastal Carolina, Marshall-Appalachian State, Georgia State-Georgia Southern)
* Week 1-2: Home-and-home with the other team in your division. All division winners and three wild-card teams advance to the conference tournament (score differential is first tiebreaker, points scored on the road is second, coin flip is third). Everyone else plays in a lower tournament except for the worst two teams, which play a worst-of-5 Series of Ignominy.
* Weeks 3-6: Tournament play.
* Week 7: Bye
* Week 8: Tournament placement games, from 1st to 23rd.
* 1st-place game is televised by Stadium on delay, all other games are broadcast on Periscope using fans' iPhones. Nobody watches and no money changes hands.
* Everyone goes to crappy bowls anyway.
* In an effort to boost interest, Sun Belt/CUSA plans expansion to 32 schools and 16 divisions, eliminating the possibility of 0-2 teams reaching the championship tournament
Basketball
* No in-conference play
* Automatic bid is determined by committee.
Other sports
* All champions are determined by cheese roll



Future
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Sound good?
How do ou prevent schools from recruiting former professional Cheese Rollers?
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(07-11-2017 06:20 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think you're more likely to see this in the Sun Belt:

Texas State
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Southern Miss
South Alabama

Troy
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian State
Charlotte

USM might make sense in the SB but I would think that'd be a hard sell to fans and boosters.
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(07-12-2017 09:51 AM)MJG Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 02:08 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Here's what we do: Merge the Sun Belt and CUSA, add JMU and Missouri State for 26 schools.

Football
* 13 divisions of two teams apiece (UTEP-UTSA, Rice-Texas State, North Texas-Louisiana Tech, ULL-ULM, Arkansas State-Missouri State, FIU-FAU, South Alabama-Southern Miss, Troy-UAB, WKU-Middle Tennessee, ODU-JMU, Charlotte-Coastal Carolina, Marshall-Appalachian State, Georgia State-Georgia Southern)
* Week 1-2: Home-and-home with the other team in your division. All division winners and three wild-card teams advance to the conference tournament (score differential is first tiebreaker, points scored on the road is second, coin flip is third). Everyone else plays in a lower tournament except for the worst two teams, which play a worst-of-5 Series of Ignominy.
* Weeks 3-6: Tournament play.
* Week 7: Bye
* Week 8: Tournament placement games, from 1st to 23rd.
* 1st-place game is televised by Stadium on delay, all other games are broadcast on Periscope using fans' iPhones. Nobody watches and no money changes hands.
* Everyone goes to crappy bowls anyway.
* In an effort to boost interest, Sun Belt/CUSA plans expansion to 32 schools and 16 divisions, eliminating the possibility of 0-2 teams reaching the championship tournament
Basketball
* No in-conference play
* Automatic bid is determined by committee.
Other sports
* All champions are determined by cheese roll



Future
* bright.

Sound good?
How do ou prevent schools from recruiting former professional Cheese Rollers?

Presumably if you hear a bunch of Gloucester accents in Tuscaloosa, you'd do well to be suspicious. Or if somewhere like Miami or Tulane has a strong program.
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(07-11-2017 09:04 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Makes for a cool map, though.
Fair enough, and a good point!

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Does anyone have solid numbers for what C-USA schools are bringing in each year versus what the Sunbelt does?

There seems to be some conception from Sunbelt folks that somehow the Sunbelt as currently configured is better than C-USA. It's my opinion that while C-USA is oversized and would be better off slit in two with each side raiding the Sunbelt for a few additional members they have superior programs.

All 4 Texas C-USA schools have better programs than Texas St.
I would argue that ULL and Arkansas St are on par with LA Tech but LA Twch seems to think otherwise since they avoided them during their stint in the WAC.
ULM is one of the poorest funded FBS schools in the nation
On the Gulf Coast USM trumps USA for longevity and tradition
While UAB plays in an old off campus stadium they are in a much more attractive market than Troy
The Charlotte and Georgia St programs are about equivalent as start ups in big markets--one has a dinky but brand new stadium the other a retrofitted baseball field
Coastal and the F_U twins are somewhat similar but the F_Us have a big head start on the Chanticleers
That leaves Georgia Southern and App St in the Sunbelt and WKU, MTSU, Marshall, and ODU in C-USA. The SBC schools have storied FCS pasts but so does Marshall. I'd say the value of those 4 trumps the value of the SBCs pair
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I never seem to understand when someone throws in starting a G5 network. First, MAC is signed long term. Second, AAC is poised to make 3 to 8 million a year per team depending who you talk to for next contract. There is no fathomable way a G5 network would bring in money like that as an alternative for them.
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(07-12-2017 05:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Does anyone have solid numbers for what C-USA schools are bringing in each year versus what the Sunbelt does?

There seems to be some conception from Sunbelt folks that somehow the Sunbelt as currently configured is better than C-USA. It's my opinion that while C-USA is oversized and would be better off slit in two with each side raiding the Sunbelt for a few additional members they have superior programs.

All 4 Texas C-USA schools have better programs than Texas St.
I would argue that ULL and Arkansas St are on par with LA Tech but LA Twch seems to think otherwise since they avoided them during their stint in the WAC.
ULM is one of the poorest funded FBS schools in the nation
On the Gulf Coast USM trumps USA for longevity and tradition
While UAB plays in an old off campus stadium they are in a much more attractive market than Troy
The Charlotte and Georgia St programs are about equivalent as start ups in big markets--one has a dinky but brand new stadium the other a retrofitted baseball field
Coastal and the F_U twins are somewhat similar but the F_Us have a big head start on the Chanticleers
That leaves Georgia Southern and App St in the Sunbelt and WKU, MTSU, Marshall, and ODU in C-USA. The SBC schools have storied FCS pasts but so does Marshall. I'd say the value of those 4 trumps the value of the SBCs pair

All the Sunbelt folks are saying is there is little motivation for SB schools to jump to CUSA now that CUSA schools just get $200K a year from media.

Once the Sunbelt slims down to if 10 member configuration, the SB schools will get $140K each from media. They will also be splitting thier CFP distribution and basketball credits by just 10--rather than the 14 team split used in CUSA. That results in an extra base CFP/NCAA credit distribution of $350K a team for SB teams. So, the Sunbelt teams will likley be netting about $300K more than CUSA teams. Thats not a huge amount, but its not much of a motivation to pay exit fees and a 2 million dollar entry fee to take a small pay cut---and likley experience and increase in travel expenses.

I think the move might work for certain SB teams (like Texas St), but most SB teams would likely not see much upside in the move under current conditions.
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Texas st will be going to the AAC
Just sayin...
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(07-12-2017 05:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Does anyone have solid numbers for what C-USA schools are bringing in each year versus what the Sunbelt does?

There seems to be some conception from Sunbelt folks that somehow the Sunbelt as currently configured is better than C-USA. It's my opinion that while C-USA is oversized and would be better off slit in two with each side raiding the Sunbelt for a few additional members they have superior programs.

All 4 Texas C-USA schools have better programs than Texas St.
I would argue that ULL and Arkansas St are on par with LA Tech but LA Twch seems to think otherwise since they avoided them during their stint in the WAC.
ULM is one of the poorest funded FBS schools in the nation
On the Gulf Coast USM trumps USA for longevity and tradition
While UAB plays in an old off campus stadium they are in a much more attractive market than Troy
The Charlotte and Georgia St programs are about equivalent as start ups in big markets--one has a dinky but brand new stadium the other a retrofitted baseball field
Coastal and the F_U twins are somewhat similar but the F_Us have a big head start on the Chanticleers
That leaves Georgia Southern and App St in the Sunbelt and WKU, MTSU, Marshall, and ODU in C-USA. The SBC schools have storied FCS pasts but so does Marshall. I'd say the value of those 4 trumps the value of the SBCs pair
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(07-11-2017 12:05 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  CONTRACT: send Fla schools back

^^^^^ This plus get the mwc to take utep then find a way to get rid of utsa. Then stick at 10.
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(07-12-2017 05:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Does anyone have solid numbers for what C-USA schools are bringing in each year versus what the Sunbelt does?

There seems to be some conception from Sunbelt folks that somehow the Sunbelt as currently configured is better than C-USA. It's my opinion that while C-USA is oversized and would be better off slit in two with each side raiding the Sunbelt for a few additional members they have superior programs.

All 4 Texas C-USA schools have better programs than Texas St.
I would argue that ULL and Arkansas St are on par with LA Tech but LA Twch seems to think otherwise since they avoided them during their stint in the WAC.
ULM is one of the poorest funded FBS schools in the nation
On the Gulf Coast USM trumps USA for longevity and tradition
While UAB plays in an old off campus stadium they are in a much more attractive market than Troy
The Charlotte and Georgia St programs are about equivalent as start ups in big markets--one has a dinky but brand new stadium the other a retrofitted baseball field
Coastal and the F_U twins are somewhat similar but the F_Us have a big head start on the Chanticleers
That leaves Georgia Southern and App St in the Sunbelt and WKU, MTSU, Marshall, and ODU in C-USA. The SBC schools have storied FCS pasts but so does Marshall. I'd say the value of those 4 trumps the value of the SBCs pair

Easy enough to find.
TV
CUSA $2.8 million
Sun Belt $1.3 million

Base CFP
CUSA $10 million
Sun Belt $10 million

CFP Performance fund distribution 2016
CUSA $3,929,315
Sun Belt $7,115,246

NCAA Units @ $264,859 for distribution in 2017-18
CUSA 11 units = $2,913,449
Sun Belt 10 = $2,648,590
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(07-12-2017 11:07 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 12:05 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  CONTRACT: send Fla schools back

^^^^^ This plus get the mwc to take utep then find a way to get rid of utsa. Then stick at 10.


UTSA is better than North Texas in football. UTSA and Old Dominion are the better programs who have newer programs.

As for the G5 network? Maybe it could be just a Network for the NCAA overall where all the schools get a stage that could not get because of ESPN and the P5. Could get some D2 Thursday night games as well.
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(07-12-2017 09:42 PM)panama Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 05:59 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Does anyone have solid numbers for what C-USA schools are bringing in each year versus what the Sunbelt does?

There seems to be some conception from Sunbelt folks that somehow the Sunbelt as currently configured is better than C-USA. It's my opinion that while C-USA is oversized and would be better off slit in two with each side raiding the Sunbelt for a few additional members they have superior programs.

All 4 Texas C-USA schools have better programs than Texas St.
I would argue that ULL and Arkansas St are on par with LA Tech but LA Twch seems to think otherwise since they avoided them during their stint in the WAC.
ULM is one of the poorest funded FBS schools in the nation
On the Gulf Coast USM trumps USA for longevity and tradition
While UAB plays in an old off campus stadium they are in a much more attractive market than Troy
The Charlotte and Georgia St programs are about equivalent as start ups in big markets--one has a dinky but brand new stadium the other a retrofitted baseball field
Coastal and the F_U twins are somewhat similar but the F_Us have a big head start on the Chanticleers
That leaves Georgia Southern and App St in the Sunbelt and WKU, MTSU, Marshall, and ODU in C-USA. The SBC schools have storied FCS pasts but so does Marshall. I'd say the value of those 4 trumps the value of the SBCs pair
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