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RE: BIGGER IS BETTER!!!!
(07-14-2017 06:54 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 06:23 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 04:16 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 09:17 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The P4

ACC
North: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
West: Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Central: Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami(FL)

B1G Ten
East: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers
Mideast: Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, Purdue
North: Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Southwest: Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma

Pac-16
East: Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas, Texas Tech
Rockies: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
California: California, UCLA, Southern California, Stanford
Northwest: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

SEC(This one maybe controversial)
East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Central: Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi
North: Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, TCU

While these seem to fit geographically, these 5 in bold would be a problem at some point.

Kansas State is a big academic and cultural misfit in the P16. Likewise with WVa and the ACC. The other three less so, but OU is an outlier made acceptable only by football and Nebraska's desire to have them. TCU's size makes them an outlier in the SEC. TT is an outlier made acceptable only by Texas.

I have to wonder at what point any P-4 scenario results in the 4 conferences turning to a a better fit G-5. For example, what does the P16 get from Kansas State, that is not obtained by New Mexico, maybe even Hawaii. As to the ACC, what does the ACC get with West Va, that is not obtained by TCU, Navy, Cincinnati, or Tulane. Without doubt WVa is the better football program, but it adds almost no footprint and for 65 years UVa and Duke have been opposed to WVa. And with TCU in the SEC, what does the SEC get that is not already obtained by TAMU and Ok State. From a footprint standpoint West Va puts them in the DC and Pittsburgh suburbs.

I don't know if it's possible to get that result, and that's before ESPN shouts in the ear of the ACC and SEC.

How is WVU (Not WVa) a academic outlier in the ACC? That ship sailed when they invited Louisville. What does half of the SEC bring besides a good FB program? If they cared about footprint then why need 4 teams in NC?

WVa is a general admission college for natives of West Va - it's non-competitive. That is part of West Va's mission, but it runs counter to most ACC schools which are highly competitive on entry. It gives WVa a LEGITIMATE advantage over UVa, Duke, VT, Pitt and others. Then comes the issue of kids who might relocate into WVa to matriculate there or policy changes that WVa might undertake to allow kids from certain Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia, Pa, and MD counties to enter under the same policy.

It's more subtle than West Va having "poor" academics. Also, no one is going to be admitted that is an existential hell no to one of the old guard.

For some the issue is personal and existential. For others the issue are not so important, but they have issues. At a certain size it becomes less of an issue, especially if Duke, GT, UVa, and WF are not sharing a division with WVa.

I don't know why UConn keeps getting mentioned. Jesus Christ would have a difficult time getting UConn the votes in the ACC.

Okay sure, act like the ACC is the Ivy League. The entire post is disrespectful in tone to WVU (Now WVa since you keep taking that shot). Most of the conference isn't that competitive to get into.
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RE: BIGGER IS BETTER!!!!
(07-14-2017 07:01 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 06:54 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 06:23 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 04:16 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 09:17 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The P4

ACC
North: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
West: Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Central: Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami(FL)

B1G Ten
East: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers
Mideast: Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, Purdue
North: Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Southwest: Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma

Pac-16
East: Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas, Texas Tech
Rockies: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
California: California, UCLA, Southern California, Stanford
Northwest: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

SEC(This one maybe controversial)
East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Central: Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi
North: Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, TCU

While these seem to fit geographically, these 5 in bold would be a problem at some point.

Kansas State is a big academic and cultural misfit in the P16. Likewise with WVa and the ACC. The other three less so, but OU is an outlier made acceptable only by football and Nebraska's desire to have them. TCU's size makes them an outlier in the SEC. TT is an outlier made acceptable only by Texas.

I have to wonder at what point any P-4 scenario results in the 4 conferences turning to a a better fit G-5. For example, what does the P16 get from Kansas State, that is not obtained by New Mexico, maybe even Hawaii. As to the ACC, what does the ACC get with West Va, that is not obtained by TCU, Navy, Cincinnati, or Tulane. Without doubt WVa is the better football program, but it adds almost no footprint and for 65 years UVa and Duke have been opposed to WVa. And with TCU in the SEC, what does the SEC get that is not already obtained by TAMU and Ok State. From a footprint standpoint West Va puts them in the DC and Pittsburgh suburbs.

I don't know if it's possible to get that result, and that's before ESPN shouts in the ear of the ACC and SEC.

How is WVU (Not WVa) a academic outlier in the ACC? That ship sailed when they invited Louisville. What does half of the SEC bring besides a good FB program? If they cared about footprint then why need 4 teams in NC?

WVa is a general admission college for natives of West Va - it's non-competitive. That is part of West Va's mission, but it runs counter to most ACC schools which are highly competitive on entry. It gives WVa a LEGITIMATE advantage over UVa, Duke, VT, Pitt and others. Then comes the issue of kids who might relocate into WVa to matriculate there or policy changes that WVa might undertake to allow kids from certain Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia, Pa, and MD counties to enter under the same policy.

It's more subtle than West Va having "poor" academics. Also, no one is going to be admitted that is an existential hell no to one of the old guard.

For some the issue is personal and existential. For others the issue are not so important, but they have issues. At a certain size it becomes less of an issue, especially if Duke, GT, UVa, and WF are not sharing a division with WVa.

I don't know why UConn keeps getting mentioned. Jesus Christ would have a difficult time getting UConn the votes in the ACC.

Okay sure, act like the ACC is the Ivy League. The entire post is disrespectful in tone to WVU (Now WVa since you keep taking that shot). Most of the conference isn't that competitive to get into.

I'm sorry if the truth somehow offends you. Perhaps the reason for your umbrage is that the ACC snub Rutgers.
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Rutgers Guy - these are the admission rates in the ACC - remember - niche instructions like the STEMS at Clemson, VT, GT, and NC State are already restricting admissions by actively discouraging those without solid math backgrounds.

1. Duke 12%
2. ND 20%
3. BC 28%
4. WF 29%
5T UVa 30%
UNC 30%
7. GT 32%
8. Miami 40%
9T. NC State 49%
Syracuse 49%
11. Pitt 56%
12. FSU 57%
13. Clemson 58%
14. VT 70%
15. Louisville 71%

Rutgers would be placed at 14th in the ACC, ahead of just VT and Louisville at 59.5%

West Virginia has an acceptance rate of 85%

That's not putting West Virginia down. You can often get better a education at many community colleges than you can at a big research university because that R1 is teaching the undergraduates using mad as Hell grad students or contract lecturers. However, if you can't see why UVa, or Duke, or WF, and others would be concerned I can't help you.

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RE: BIGGER IS BETTER!!!!
(07-14-2017 07:44 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 07:01 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 06:54 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 06:23 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 04:16 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  While these seem to fit geographically, these 5 in bold would be a problem at some point.

Kansas State is a big academic and cultural misfit in the P16. Likewise with WVa and the ACC. The other three less so, but OU is an outlier made acceptable only by football and Nebraska's desire to have them. TCU's size makes them an outlier in the SEC. TT is an outlier made acceptable only by Texas.

I have to wonder at what point any P-4 scenario results in the 4 conferences turning to a a better fit G-5. For example, what does the P16 get from Kansas State, that is not obtained by New Mexico, maybe even Hawaii. As to the ACC, what does the ACC get with West Va, that is not obtained by TCU, Navy, Cincinnati, or Tulane. Without doubt WVa is the better football program, but it adds almost no footprint and for 65 years UVa and Duke have been opposed to WVa. And with TCU in the SEC, what does the SEC get that is not already obtained by TAMU and Ok State. From a footprint standpoint West Va puts them in the DC and Pittsburgh suburbs.

I don't know if it's possible to get that result, and that's before ESPN shouts in the ear of the ACC and SEC.

How is WVU (Not WVa) a academic outlier in the ACC? That ship sailed when they invited Louisville. What does half of the SEC bring besides a good FB program? If they cared about footprint then why need 4 teams in NC?

WVa is a general admission college for natives of West Va - it's non-competitive. That is part of West Va's mission, but it runs counter to most ACC schools which are highly competitive on entry. It gives WVa a LEGITIMATE advantage over UVa, Duke, VT, Pitt and others. Then comes the issue of kids who might relocate into WVa to matriculate there or policy changes that WVa might undertake to allow kids from certain Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia, Pa, and MD counties to enter under the same policy.

It's more subtle than West Va having "poor" academics. Also, no one is going to be admitted that is an existential hell no to one of the old guard.

For some the issue is personal and existential. For others the issue are not so important, but they have issues. At a certain size it becomes less of an issue, especially if Duke, GT, UVa, and WF are not sharing a division with WVa.

I don't know why UConn keeps getting mentioned. Jesus Christ would have a difficult time getting UConn the votes in the ACC.

Okay sure, act like the ACC is the Ivy League. The entire post is disrespectful in tone to WVU (Now WVa since you keep taking that shot). Most of the conference isn't that competitive to get into.

I'm sorry if the truth somehow offends you. Perhaps the reason for your umbrage is that the ACC snub Rutgers.

Yeah because we totally wouldn't fit in with the likes of NC State! hahaha
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(07-14-2017 08:10 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Rutgers Guy - these are the admission rates in the ACC - remember - niche instructions like the STEMS at Clemson, VT, GT, and NC State are already restricting admissions by actively discouraging those without solid math backgrounds.

1. Duke 12%
2. ND 20%
3. BC 28%
4. WF 29%
5T UVa 30%
UNC 30%
7. GT 32%
8. Miami 40%
9T. NC State 49%
Syracuse 49%
11. Pitt 56%
12. FSU 57%
13. Clemson 58%
14. VT 70%
15. Louisville 71%

Rutgers would be placed at 14th in the ACC, ahead of just VT and Louisville at 59.5%

West Virginia has an acceptance rate of 85%

That's not putting West Virginia down. You can often get better a education at many community colleges than you can at a big research university because that R1 is teaching the undergraduates using mad as Hell grad students or contract lecturers. However, if you can't see why UVa, or Duke, or WF, and others would be concerned I can't help you.

I used this site because it was quick http://www.acceptancerate.com/florida

You act like acceptance rates have anything to do with athletics. WVU would be one of the top athletic programs in the ACC. If you think academics mean anything after the ACC took Louisville then you need to realize the writing on the wall. Clemson and FSU wanted a school with a FB pulse. If the ACC expands again and WVU is available no one is looking at the info above and saying "No thanks.". They will say "Whoever you want guys just don't leave us so we have no FB powers left!"
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RE: BIGGER IS BETTER!!!!
(07-14-2017 08:16 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 08:10 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Rutgers Guy - these are the admission rates in the ACC - remember - niche instructions like the STEMS at Clemson, VT, GT, and NC State are already restricting admissions by actively discouraging those without solid math backgrounds.

1. Duke 12%
2. ND 20%
3. BC 28%
4. WF 29%
5T UVa 30%
UNC 30%
7. GT 32%
8. Miami 40%
9T. NC State 49%
Syracuse 49%
11. Pitt 56%
12. FSU 57%
13. Clemson 58%
14. VT 70%
15. Louisville 71%

Rutgers would be placed at 14th in the ACC, ahead of just VT and Louisville at 59.5%

West Virginia has an acceptance rate of 85%

That's not putting West Virginia down. You can often get better a education at many community colleges than you can at a big research university because that R1 is teaching the undergraduates using mad as Hell grad students or contract lecturers. However, if you can't see why UVa, or Duke, or WF, and others would be concerned I can't help you.

I used this site because it was quick http://www.acceptancerate.com/florida

You act like acceptance rates have anything to do with athletics. WVU would be one of the top athletic programs in the ACC. If you think academics mean anything after the ACC took Louisville then you need to realize the writing on the wall. Clemson and FSU wanted a school with a FB pulse. If the ACC expands again and WVU is available no one is looking at the info above and saying "No thanks.". They will say "Whoever you want guys just don't leave us so we have no FB powers left!"

I realize you don't get it but Duke, UVa, WF, and GT DO NOT WANT WVa in the ACC because they do not want to compete athletically against a school that can enroll ANYONE with a pulse. You seem to think that some schools don't have admissions policies. Maybe Rutgers does not, but Duke, UVa, WF, and GT do have admissions policies. Kids that can not get half of the ACC schools, would be automatically admitted to WVa.

You seem to think the issue with WVa are limited to a handful of statistics. You are wrong. Ask an LSU fan who traveled to WVa a while back if they liked what they found. Read the Academic Mission Statement of WVa and then read some of the ones in the ACC, B10, etc.

While Louisville is an outlier, Louisville's place in the ACC academic world is like Pluto - a long way from the sun. West Virginia is like expected plant 9 - orbiting about twice to three times the distance of Pluto from the sun - DAMNNNNNNNNN far away from the sun, but still close enough to disturb objects in Kuiper Belt.

Essentially you are a Neptune, casting aspersions on Pluto, while claiming that Plant 9 is just a close as Jupiter/Mars, etc. 05-nono
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(07-14-2017 06:54 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  WVa is a general admission college for natives of West Va - it's non-competitive. That is part of West Va's mission, but it runs counter to most ACC schools which are highly competitive on entry. It gives WVa a LEGITIMATE advantage over UVa, Duke, VT, Pitt and others. Then comes the issue of kids who might relocate into WVa to matriculate there or policy changes that WVa might undertake to allow kids from certain Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia, Pa, and MD counties to enter under the same policy.

It's more subtle than West Va having "poor" academics. Also, no one is going to be admitted that is an existential hell no to one of the old guard.

For some the issue is personal and existential. For others the issue are not so important, but they have issues. At a certain size it becomes less of an issue, especially if Duke, GT, UVa, and WF are not sharing a division with WVa.

I don't know why UConn keeps getting mentioned. Jesus Christ would have a difficult time getting UConn the votes in the ACC.

Interesting point about why the ACC would be opposed to WV. As for UConn, I can understand why BC wouldn't want them in, but why would there be such resistance from the rest of the conference? It is just because UConn's hoops are overkill for the ACC and their football is underwhelming?
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In regards to the OP:

I don't mind anything that allows a team from a Group of 5/Group of 5 conference into the National Championship playoff.
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It's NOT "West Va." It's West Virginia (postal code WV). And it's a State all on its own, not a province of "western Virginia."

The fact that you don't know that down there in "northern Carolina" reflects your ignorance not ours. (I live in Morgantown, WV... Home of West Virginia University: WVU.) And WVU is every bit as "competitive" as those vaunted academic powerhouses of Louisville and Florida State Universities... not to mention that paragon of academic integrity, the Flagship University of the State of North Carolina. Yes, the under-graduate programs and mission are "open" enrollment for the students of the great State of West Virginia. (Gasp!) WVU is a State University...oh the horror!

And I'm not even a WVU alumnus (that's a "graduate" for you down there in No. Carolina) or even a big fan of WVU. But I am a proud West (by God!) Virginian.
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(07-10-2017 08:14 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  I was toying with this idea in another thread and I really think it's the future of FBS FB.

All conferences expand to 20 teams. A Power 4 and a Group of 4.

Expand the playoff to 10 teams with the 4 P4 champs getting an auto-bid along with the top 2 G4 champs and 2 wild cards. The top 2 teams get a bye in the first round and the first round is at the higher seeded teams home field then the semi's and finals are at neutral sites.

The regular season expands to 13 games and every conference plays 10 conference games.

No more games allowed against the FCS. The expanded conferences has enough teams where it's no longer needed.

Behold the expanded conferences! *Edited for teams I forgot to add*

B1G:

East- PSU, Rutgers, Maryland, UConn, Virginia

West- Texas, OU, KU, Nebraska, Iowa

South- Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Notre Dame, Ohio State

North- Minny, Wisc, NW, Michigan, MSU

SEC:

East- UF, FSU, UGA, USC, UNC

West- A&M, TCU, Arkansas, OSU, Mizzou

South- Bama, Auburn, Miss St, Ole Miss, LSU

North- WVU, Tennessee, Vandy, UK, VT

Pac-20:

East- Colorado, KSU, ISU, Utah, BYU

West- Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Hawaii

South- ASU, UA, T Tech, Houston, UNLV

North- Oregon, OSU, Washington, WSU, Boise St.

ACC:

East- NC St, Duke, WF, ECU, Navy

West- Louisville, Cincy, Memphis, Baylor, SMU

South- Miami, GT, Clemson, UCF, USF

North- BC, Pitt, Cuse, Temple, Army

AAC:

East- James Madison, ODU, Richmond, Charolette, App State

West- Tulsa, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Texas State

South- Tulane, USM, UAB, FIU, FAU

North- Marshall, WKU, Middle Tenn, Missouri St, Chattanooga

MWC:

East- Air Force, Wyoming, Utah State, Weber St, Colorado St

West- San Diego St, Fresno, San Jose, Cal Poly, San Diego

South- New Mexico, New Mexico St, UTEP, Northern Arizona, Nevada

North- Idaho, Eastern Washington, Montana, Portland, Montana St

CUSA:

East- Wofford, William & Mary, Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Eastern Kentucky

West- Troy, So. Alabama, Jacksonville St, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Lafayette

South- Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Citadel, Western Carolina, Charleston Southern

North- Arkansas State, Central Arkansas, La Tech, Sam Houston, Stephen F Austin

MAC:

East- Buffalo, UMass, Delaware, New Hampshire, Maine

West- South Dakota State, North Dakota State, Northern Iowa, N. Illinois, Ball State

South- Youngstown, Kent, Miami, Ohio, Akron

North- CMU, WMU, EMU, Toledo, Bowling Green
So every city school on the Eastern seaboard makes it to AAC before us including the F_Us, James Madison and Charlotte.

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(07-14-2017 08:36 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 08:16 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 08:10 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Rutgers Guy - these are the admission rates in the ACC - remember - niche instructions like the STEMS at Clemson, VT, GT, and NC State are already restricting admissions by actively discouraging those without solid math backgrounds.

1. Duke 12%
2. ND 20%
3. BC 28%
4. WF 29%
5T UVa 30%
UNC 30%
7. GT 32%
8. Miami 40%
9T. NC State 49%
Syracuse 49%
11. Pitt 56%
12. FSU 57%
13. Clemson 58%
14. VT 70%
15. Louisville 71%

Rutgers would be placed at 14th in the ACC, ahead of just VT and Louisville at 59.5%

West Virginia has an acceptance rate of 85%

That's not putting West Virginia down. You can often get better a education at many community colleges than you can at a big research university because that R1 is teaching the undergraduates using mad as Hell grad students or contract lecturers. However, if you can't see why UVa, or Duke, or WF, and others would be concerned I can't help you.

I used this site because it was quick http://www.acceptancerate.com/florida

You act like acceptance rates have anything to do with athletics. WVU would be one of the top athletic programs in the ACC. If you think academics mean anything after the ACC took Louisville then you need to realize the writing on the wall. Clemson and FSU wanted a school with a FB pulse. If the ACC expands again and WVU is available no one is looking at the info above and saying "No thanks.". They will say "Whoever you want guys just don't leave us so we have no FB powers left!"

I realize you don't get it but Duke, UVa, WF, and GT DO NOT WANT WVa in the ACC because they do not want to compete athletically against a school that can enroll ANYONE with a pulse. You seem to think that some schools don't have admissions policies. Maybe Rutgers does not, but Duke, UVa, WF, and GT do have admissions policies. Kids that can not get half of the ACC schools, would be automatically admitted to WVa.

You seem to think the issue with WVa are limited to a handful of statistics. You are wrong. Ask an LSU fan who traveled to WVa a while back if they liked what they found. Read the Academic Mission Statement of WVa and then read some of the ones in the ACC, B10, etc.

While Louisville is an outlier, Louisville's place in the ACC academic world is like Pluto - a long way from the sun. West Virginia is like expected plant 9 - orbiting about twice to three times the distance of Pluto from the sun - DAMNNNNNNNNN far away from the sun, but still close enough to disturb objects in Kuiper Belt.

Essentially you are a Neptune, casting aspersions on Pluto, while claiming that Plant 9 is just a close as Jupiter/Mars, etc. 05-nono

You think those athletic programs actually care what a athletes grades are? Fab Melo couldn't read, UNC created a fake major for athletes and don't even get me started on Miami and FSU. NC State bragging about ACC academics is like a Brown grad bragging about going to an Ivy League school. hahaha

You use acceptance rate I use college ranking where Rutgers is 51 and NC State is 64. Yeah so quit acting like you actually went to a better school chump. Oh and Rutgers is also higher than FSU, Notre Dame, Miami, BC, Syracuse, Louisville, WF, GT and VT.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/stu...vey-answer

Or the US News ranking for 2017 that ranks Rutgers 70th and NC State 92nd.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/nor...leigh-2972

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rut...swick-6964

Now run along with your silly analogies.
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(07-15-2017 06:31 AM)panama Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 08:14 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  I was toying with this idea in another thread and I really think it's the future of FBS FB.

All conferences expand to 20 teams. A Power 4 and a Group of 4.

Expand the playoff to 10 teams with the 4 P4 champs getting an auto-bid along with the top 2 G4 champs and 2 wild cards. The top 2 teams get a bye in the first round and the first round is at the higher seeded teams home field then the semi's and finals are at neutral sites.

The regular season expands to 13 games and every conference plays 10 conference games.

No more games allowed against the FCS. The expanded conferences has enough teams where it's no longer needed.

Behold the expanded conferences! *Edited for teams I forgot to add*

B1G:

East- PSU, Rutgers, Maryland, UConn, Virginia

West- Texas, OU, KU, Nebraska, Iowa

South- Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Notre Dame, Ohio State

North- Minny, Wisc, NW, Michigan, MSU

SEC:

East- UF, FSU, UGA, USC, UNC

West- A&M, TCU, Arkansas, OSU, Mizzou

South- Bama, Auburn, Miss St, Ole Miss, LSU

North- WVU, Tennessee, Vandy, UK, VT

Pac-20:

East- Colorado, KSU, ISU, Utah, BYU

West- Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Hawaii

South- ASU, UA, T Tech, Houston, UNLV

North- Oregon, OSU, Washington, WSU, Boise St.

ACC:

East- NC St, Duke, WF, ECU, Navy

West- Louisville, Cincy, Memphis, Baylor, SMU

South- Miami, GT, Clemson, UCF, USF

North- BC, Pitt, Cuse, Temple, Army

AAC:

East- James Madison, ODU, Richmond, Charolette, App State

West- Tulsa, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Texas State

South- Tulane, USM, UAB, FIU, FAU

North- Marshall, WKU, Middle Tenn, Missouri St, Chattanooga

MWC:

East- Air Force, Wyoming, Utah State, Weber St, Colorado St

West- San Diego St, Fresno, San Jose, Cal Poly, San Diego

South- New Mexico, New Mexico St, UTEP, Northern Arizona, Nevada

North- Idaho, Eastern Washington, Montana, Portland, Montana St

CUSA:

East- Wofford, William & Mary, Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Eastern Kentucky

West- Troy, So. Alabama, Jacksonville St, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Lafayette

South- Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Citadel, Western Carolina, Charleston Southern

North- Arkansas State, Central Arkansas, La Tech, Sam Houston, Stephen F Austin

MAC:

East- Buffalo, UMass, Delaware, New Hampshire, Maine

West- South Dakota State, North Dakota State, Northern Iowa, N. Illinois, Ball State

South- Youngstown, Kent, Miami, Ohio, Akron

North- CMU, WMU, EMU, Toledo, Bowling Green
So every city school on the Eastern seaboard makes it to AAC before us including the F_Us, James Madison and Charlotte.

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(07-15-2017 09:08 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 08:36 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 08:16 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 08:10 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Rutgers Guy - these are the admission rates in the ACC - remember - niche instructions like the STEMS at Clemson, VT, GT, and NC State are already restricting admissions by actively discouraging those without solid math backgrounds.

1. Duke 12%
2. ND 20%
3. BC 28%
4. WF 29%
5T UVa 30%
UNC 30%
7. GT 32%
8. Miami 40%
9T. NC State 49%
Syracuse 49%
11. Pitt 56%
12. FSU 57%
13. Clemson 58%
14. VT 70%
15. Louisville 71%

Rutgers would be placed at 14th in the ACC, ahead of just VT and Louisville at 59.5%

West Virginia has an acceptance rate of 85%

That's not putting West Virginia down. You can often get better a education at many community colleges than you can at a big research university because that R1 is teaching the undergraduates using mad as Hell grad students or contract lecturers. However, if you can't see why UVa, or Duke, or WF, and others would be concerned I can't help you.

I used this site because it was quick http://www.acceptancerate.com/florida

You act like acceptance rates have anything to do with athletics. WVU would be one of the top athletic programs in the ACC. If you think academics mean anything after the ACC took Louisville then you need to realize the writing on the wall. Clemson and FSU wanted a school with a FB pulse. If the ACC expands again and WVU is available no one is looking at the info above and saying "No thanks.". They will say "Whoever you want guys just don't leave us so we have no FB powers left!"

I realize you don't get it but Duke, UVa, WF, and GT DO NOT WANT WVa in the ACC because they do not want to compete athletically against a school that can enroll ANYONE with a pulse. You seem to think that some schools don't have admissions policies. Maybe Rutgers does not, but Duke, UVa, WF, and GT do have admissions policies. Kids that can not get half of the ACC schools, would be automatically admitted to WVa.

You seem to think the issue with WVa are limited to a handful of statistics. You are wrong. Ask an LSU fan who traveled to WVa a while back if they liked what they found. Read the Academic Mission Statement of WVa and then read some of the ones in the ACC, B10, etc.

While Louisville is an outlier, Louisville's place in the ACC academic world is like Pluto - a long way from the sun. West Virginia is like expected plant 9 - orbiting about twice to three times the distance of Pluto from the sun - DAMNNNNNNNNN far away from the sun, but still close enough to disturb objects in Kuiper Belt.

Essentially you are a Neptune, casting aspersions on Pluto, while claiming that Plant 9 is just a close as Jupiter/Mars, etc. 05-nono

You think those athletic programs actually care what a athletes grades are? Fab Melo couldn't read, UNC created a fake major for athletes and don't even get me started on Miami and FSU. NC State bragging about ACC academics is like a Brown grad bragging about going to an Ivy League school. hahaha

You use acceptance rate I use college ranking where Rutgers is 51 and NC State is 64. Yeah so quit acting like you actually went to a better school chump. Oh and Rutgers is also higher than FSU, Notre Dame, Miami, BC, Syracuse, Louisville, WF, GT and VT.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/stu...vey-answer

Or the US News ranking for 2017 that ranks Rutgers 70th and NC State 92nd.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/nor...leigh-2972

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rut...swick-6964

Now run along with your silly analogies.

Evidently they don't teach reading comprehension at Rutgers. The ACC's problem with WVa is over admissions yet you pull out metrics like US News that ranks according to opinion inputs like high school admission counselors in the state where the school is located.

I guess you do have to change your argument after you have been shown to be full of ****.

I have only one degree from NC State. I have another from UNC-Ch, and a minor from Duke. I can assure you that Snookie and the Situation can't get in to State, Carolina, or Duke.

However your lack of intellect does explain two families that have recently moved into the neighborhood. They are from Jersey and have IQ's in the upper 90's or low 100's and yet they think they know everything.

Now you run along and pick up some hair oil to go with your muscle shirt. 04-cheers
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(07-15-2017 03:02 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Evidently they don't teach reading comprehension at Rutgers. The ACC's problem with WVa is over admissions yet you pull out metrics like US News that ranks according to opinion inputs like high school admission counselors in the state where the school is located.

I guess you do have to change your argument after you have been shown to be full of ****.

I have only one degree from NC State. I have another from UNC-Ch, and a minor from Duke. I can assure you that Snookie and the Situation can't get in to State, Carolina, or Duke.

However your lack of intellect does explain two families that have recently moved into the neighborhood. They are from Jersey and have IQ's in the upper 90's or low 100's and yet they think they know everything.

Now you run along and pick up some hair oil to go with your muscle shirt. 04-cheers

I'll be one of the first to put down my home state, as we have many problems (pollution, overcrowding, certain a**hole governors, etc.). However, NJ is not to blame for the cast of "Jersey Shore," since most of them are actually from New York, including the two you mention.
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(07-15-2017 03:44 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 03:02 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Evidently they don't teach reading comprehension at Rutgers. The ACC's problem with WVa is over admissions yet you pull out metrics like US News that ranks according to opinion inputs like high school admission counselors in the state where the school is located.

I guess you do have to change your argument after you have been shown to be full of ****.

I have only one degree from NC State. I have another from UNC-Ch, and a minor from Duke. I can assure you that Snookie and the Situation can't get in to State, Carolina, or Duke.

However your lack of intellect does explain two families that have recently moved into the neighborhood. They are from Jersey and have IQ's in the upper 90's or low 100's and yet they think they know everything.

Now you run along and pick up some hair oil to go with your muscle shirt. 04-cheers

I'll be one of the first to put down my home state, as we have many problems (pollution, overcrowding, certain a**hole governors, etc.). However, NJ is not to blame for the cast of "Jersey Shore," since most of them are actually from New York, including the two you mention.

Point well taken. However, I thought Staten Island was New Jersey. 03-lmfao03-shhhh
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(07-15-2017 06:25 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 03:44 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 03:02 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Evidently they don't teach reading comprehension at Rutgers. The ACC's problem with WVa is over admissions yet you pull out metrics like US News that ranks according to opinion inputs like high school admission counselors in the state where the school is located.

I guess you do have to change your argument after you have been shown to be full of ****.

I have only one degree from NC State. I have another from UNC-Ch, and a minor from Duke. I can assure you that Snookie and the Situation can't get in to State, Carolina, or Duke.

However your lack of intellect does explain two families that have recently moved into the neighborhood. They are from Jersey and have IQ's in the upper 90's or low 100's and yet they think they know everything.

Now you run along and pick up some hair oil to go with your muscle shirt. 04-cheers

I'll be one of the first to put down my home state, as we have many problems (pollution, overcrowding, certain a**hole governors, etc.). However, NJ is not to blame for the cast of "Jersey Shore," since most of them are actually from New York, including the two you mention.

Point well taken. However, I thought Staten Island was New Jersey. 03-lmfao03-shhhh

Well that just shows once again you don't know your a$$ from a hole in the ground no matter how many degrees you claim to have. State isn't a great school and UNC almost lost it's accreditation. Oh and Duke is called the college of new jersey of the south because so many of it's students are from the garden state. So yeah, talk s@#% while not actually knowing what you're talking about. That sounds like someone from NC.

Oh and once again, these schools don't care about admissions when it comes to athletes. Want to talk about reading comprehension you can't even read an entire post.
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(07-15-2017 06:29 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:25 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 03:44 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 03:02 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Evidently they don't teach reading comprehension at Rutgers. The ACC's problem with WVa is over admissions yet you pull out metrics like US News that ranks according to opinion inputs like high school admission counselors in the state where the school is located.

I guess you do have to change your argument after you have been shown to be full of ****.

I have only one degree from NC State. I have another from UNC-Ch, and a minor from Duke. I can assure you that Snookie and the Situation can't get in to State, Carolina, or Duke.

However your lack of intellect does explain two families that have recently moved into the neighborhood. They are from Jersey and have IQ's in the upper 90's or low 100's and yet they think they know everything.

Now you run along and pick up some hair oil to go with your muscle shirt. 04-cheers

I'll be one of the first to put down my home state, as we have many problems (pollution, overcrowding, certain a**hole governors, etc.). However, NJ is not to blame for the cast of "Jersey Shore," since most of them are actually from New York, including the two you mention.

Point well taken. However, I thought Staten Island was New Jersey. 03-lmfao03-shhhh

Well that just shows once again you don't know your a$$ from a hole in the ground no matter how many degrees you claim to have. State isn't a great school and UNC almost lost it's accreditation. Oh and Duke is called the college of new jersey of the south because so many of it's students are from the garden state. So yeah, talk s@#% while not actually knowing what you're talking about. That sounds like someone from NC.

Oh and once again, these schools don't care about admissions when it comes to athletes. Want to talk about reading comprehension you can't even read an entire post.

I didn't say NC State was a "great" school, and UNC is not a lesser academic institution just because it cheated to keep ballplayers in college and tarnished their standing with SACS.

You don't read very well. 03-lmfao

Since you can't read very well, I will stop making fun of you if you shut up. That's fair.
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(07-15-2017 09:10 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:29 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 06:25 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 03:44 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-15-2017 03:02 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Evidently they don't teach reading comprehension at Rutgers. The ACC's problem with WVa is over admissions yet you pull out metrics like US News that ranks according to opinion inputs like high school admission counselors in the state where the school is located.

I guess you do have to change your argument after you have been shown to be full of ****.

I have only one degree from NC State. I have another from UNC-Ch, and a minor from Duke. I can assure you that Snookie and the Situation can't get in to State, Carolina, or Duke.

However your lack of intellect does explain two families that have recently moved into the neighborhood. They are from Jersey and have IQ's in the upper 90's or low 100's and yet they think they know everything.

Now you run along and pick up some hair oil to go with your muscle shirt. 04-cheers

I'll be one of the first to put down my home state, as we have many problems (pollution, overcrowding, certain a**hole governors, etc.). However, NJ is not to blame for the cast of "Jersey Shore," since most of them are actually from New York, including the two you mention.

Point well taken. However, I thought Staten Island was New Jersey. 03-lmfao03-shhhh

Well that just shows once again you don't know your a$$ from a hole in the ground no matter how many degrees you claim to have. State isn't a great school and UNC almost lost it's accreditation. Oh and Duke is called the college of new jersey of the south because so many of it's students are from the garden state. So yeah, talk s@#% while not actually knowing what you're talking about. That sounds like someone from NC.

Oh and once again, these schools don't care about admissions when it comes to athletes. Want to talk about reading comprehension you can't even read an entire post.

I didn't say NC State was a "great" school, and UNC is not a lesser academic institution just because it cheated to keep ballplayers in college and tarnished their standing with SACS.

You don't read very well. 03-lmfao

Since you can't read very well, I will stop making fun of you if you shut up. That's fair.

Well I started this fun thread that you hijacked with insults so I wont shut up. Don't you have some minorities to disenfranchise in Northern Carolina? Maybe you can stand outside some public rest room and look up all the skirts to make sure the right people are going into the right bathroom. I think thats a job for someone with 3 degrees who never left Northern Carolina.
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