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RE: CBS Sports AAC Offseason Power Rankings
(07-11-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I agree with another Memphis fan that while this team will probably end up with 18 wins...we as fans will enjoy this team more...they seem like 'Tubby guys' who will buy in and play solid team ball...last years team was a group of talented individuals who refused to come together and realize their greater potential...I guess that's what happens when KJ and Dedric are mad daddy didn't get his way.

I think an objective proxy indicator of fan's enjoyment of next year's squad is attendance compared to the first season under Tubby.
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(07-11-2017 11:26 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I agree with another Memphis fan that while this team will probably end up with 18 wins...we as fans will enjoy this team more...they seem like 'Tubby guys' who will buy in and play solid team ball...last years team was a group of talented individuals who refused to come together and realize their greater potential...I guess that's what happens when KJ and Dedric are mad daddy didn't get his way.

I think an objective proxy indicator of fan's enjoyment of next year's squad is attendance compared to the first season under Tubby.

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(07-11-2017 10:27 AM)gopirates11 Wrote:  with ECUs terrible OOC schedule I fully expect us to be close to if not above .500 at the end of the season This may be the worst schedule lebo has ever put together in his 8 years at ECU and it will completely fool the casual basketball fan from ECU although our RPI will be 200+ once again.

IMO Lebo will be extended after this season or after the 2018-2019 season because we do have some nice pieces and athletes that can steal a few games throughout the AAC conference slate and people will see that as "progress"

Doesn't the athletic department put together all OOC schedules? Why would a head coach be doing such a thing, kind of out of their lane, no?
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(07-11-2017 10:47 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:02 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 04:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:28 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...best-team/

I don't think Norlander gave Jacob Evans enough love. The leading scorer doesn't even get a mention

mr i don't expect houston anywhere near the top 5, here's a snap shot of the team





Thats a terrible Hype video.


Did nothing to evoke any kind of emotion. This is a good hype video IMO


Anyway, I never once said they wouldn't finish any where near the top 5. I think I might have put them at 6th or something. I think UCF, SMU, UC and WSU are better and that its very close between Temple, UCONN and Houston. The national media agrees with me.

I'm not buying UCF in the top group (nor is the national media). Actually the national media only has the top group as WSU and UC with 3-7 interchangeable.


I was referring to National Media and Houston. Not UCF. I personally like them. I also like Houston, but I don't think its far fetched of me to be skeptical of a team lots its best overall player and brings in 8 new guys.

Like Im not saying Houston will suck. Im just saying that bringing in 8 new guys around 1 good player and then 3 other players who aren't generally well rounded players, doesn't automagically bring a better season for Houston
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(07-11-2017 10:42 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:02 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 04:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:28 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...best-team/

I don't think Norlander gave Jacob Evans enough love. The leading scorer doesn't even get a mention

mr i don't expect houston anywhere near the top 5, here's a snap shot of the team





Thats a terrible Hype video.


Did nothing to evoke any kind of emotion. This is a good hype video IMO


Anyway, I never once said they wouldn't finish any where near the top 5. I think I might have put them at 6th or something. I think UCF, SMU, UC and WSU are better and that its very close between Temple, UCONN and Houston. The national media agrees with me.

i thinks its the opposite on the videos...
that video showed nothing about why that specific cincy team was good just that you had history .. you could have made something like that for every UH basketball team since the 90's using phi slama film and it wouldnt have hyped up anything

the one for houston clearly pointed out why this specific team should be good and why you should be hyped for this years team and players and what they are capable off...also hype video are not supposed to be emotional...

(your kinda homerish, so imagine if it was flipped...rob gray with phi slama footage saying its our time vs a video of gary clark, jacob evans, Cumberland, Washington and broome just destroying their opponents and your coach saying this is the best team he's had in years...what would be more hyping)

and you definitely insinuated that houston wouldnt be anywhere near the top 5 ..you listed your top 5 and said houston doesnt have the talent to compete with those 5..you had us 6th *then* ..and that didnt even include temple which you have since said in a different thread probably has a better chance to finish higher than houston ...

I've said over and over and over and over again both here and on /r/collegebasketball that the race for 3-7 is going to the be one of the best in college basketball and I can't really make my mind up on the order.

I don't even take issue with Houston being 5 or even 4 really, but I took issue with you writing off UCF as if they laid zero claim to 3rd or 4th in the AAC. Its just you acted as if Houston had zero debate over being better than UCF. UCF had 2 more top 100 wins than houston, they finished the season much better, they actually won 3 games in the post season compared to Houston winning zero and lost 1 player while also bringing in some good replacements that have D1 experience. I don't hate houston, I just thought your unfounded arrogance about a vastly unproven team who lost its best overall player and brings in 8 new guys was kinda nuts
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(07-11-2017 02:07 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:42 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:02 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 04:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:28 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...best-team/

I don't think Norlander gave Jacob Evans enough love. The leading scorer doesn't even get a mention

mr i don't expect houston anywhere near the top 5, here's a snap shot of the team





Thats a terrible Hype video.


Did nothing to evoke any kind of emotion. This is a good hype video IMO


Anyway, I never once said they wouldn't finish any where near the top 5. I think I might have put them at 6th or something. I think UCF, SMU, UC and WSU are better and that its very close between Temple, UCONN and Houston. The national media agrees with me.

i thinks its the opposite on the videos...
that video showed nothing about why that specific cincy team was good just that you had history .. you could have made something like that for every UH basketball team since the 90's using phi slama film and it wouldnt have hyped up anything

the one for houston clearly pointed out why this specific team should be good and why you should be hyped for this years team and players and what they are capable off...also hype video are not supposed to be emotional...

(your kinda homerish, so imagine if it was flipped...rob gray with phi slama footage saying its our time vs a video of gary clark, jacob evans, Cumberland, Washington and broome just destroying their opponents and your coach saying this is the best team he's had in years...what would be more hyping)

and you definitely insinuated that houston wouldnt be anywhere near the top 5 ..you listed your top 5 and said houston doesnt have the talent to compete with those 5..you had us 6th *then* ..and that didnt even include temple which you have since said in a different thread probably has a better chance to finish higher than houston ...

I've said over and over and over and over again both here and on /r/collegebasketball that the race for 3-7 is going to the be one of the best in college basketball and I can't really make my mind up on the order.

I don't even take issue with Houston being 5 or even 4 really, but I took issue with you writing off UCF as if they laid zero claim to 3rd or 4th in the AAC. Its just you acted as if Houston had zero debate over being better than UCF. UCF had 2 more top 100 wins than houston, they finished the season much better, they actually won 3 games in the post season compared to Houston winning zero and lost 1 player while also bringing in some good replacements that have D1 experience. I don't hate houston, I just thought your unfounded arrogance about a vastly unproven team who lost its best overall player and brings in 8 new guys was kinda nuts

UCF lost three contributors who played major minutes, >= 800.

Matt Williams
Nick Banyard
Tanksley Efianayi

From a team that really only played six dudes last year.
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(07-11-2017 02:14 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 02:07 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:42 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:02 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 04:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  mr i don't expect houston anywhere near the top 5, here's a snap shot of the team





Thats a terrible Hype video.


Did nothing to evoke any kind of emotion. This is a good hype video IMO


Anyway, I never once said they wouldn't finish any where near the top 5. I think I might have put them at 6th or something. I think UCF, SMU, UC and WSU are better and that its very close between Temple, UCONN and Houston. The national media agrees with me.

i thinks its the opposite on the videos...
that video showed nothing about why that specific cincy team was good just that you had history .. you could have made something like that for every UH basketball team since the 90's using phi slama film and it wouldnt have hyped up anything

the one for houston clearly pointed out why this specific team should be good and why you should be hyped for this years team and players and what they are capable off...also hype video are not supposed to be emotional...

(your kinda homerish, so imagine if it was flipped...rob gray with phi slama footage saying its our time vs a video of gary clark, jacob evans, Cumberland, Washington and broome just destroying their opponents and your coach saying this is the best team he's had in years...what would be more hyping)

and you definitely insinuated that houston wouldnt be anywhere near the top 5 ..you listed your top 5 and said houston doesnt have the talent to compete with those 5..you had us 6th *then* ..and that didnt even include temple which you have since said in a different thread probably has a better chance to finish higher than houston ...

I've said over and over and over and over again both here and on /r/collegebasketball that the race for 3-7 is going to the be one of the best in college basketball and I can't really make my mind up on the order.

I don't even take issue with Houston being 5 or even 4 really, but I took issue with you writing off UCF as if they laid zero claim to 3rd or 4th in the AAC. Its just you acted as if Houston had zero debate over being better than UCF. UCF had 2 more top 100 wins than houston, they finished the season much better, they actually won 3 games in the post season compared to Houston winning zero and lost 1 player while also bringing in some good replacements that have D1 experience. I don't hate houston, I just thought your unfounded arrogance about a vastly unproven team who lost its best overall player and brings in 8 new guys was kinda nuts

UCF lost three contributors who played major minutes, >= 800.

Matt Williams
Nick Banyard
Tanksley Efianayi

From a team that really only played six dudes last year.

Banyard and Tank weren't exactly great contributors. They were mostly warm bodies to play. UCF brings back its star player BJ taylor, who lead his team to 3 straight wins in the NIT with 26, 22 and 17 point performances that lead his team, they bring the sole reason why they have #2 eFG% defense in the country in tacko fall, and they also retain starter AJ Davis.

If Houston is allowed to argue that their ****** players are easily replaceable from last season, then I can argue that UCF's 2 ****** players are easily replaceable also. I will easily make the argument that Matt Williams is easier to replace than Dotson was for them.

I like UCF because the have an identity as an elite defensive team thanks to Tacko. Every team goes through scoring issues in certain parts of games but what keeps you in it is great defense. I watched UCF Give Villanova absolute fits and if Bj Taylor played like he did at the end of the season, they might have pulled that game off.

I'll take UCF's season last year over Houston's every time. Bj Taylor seems like a winner to me, Im not sure if Rob gray is.
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(07-11-2017 02:07 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:42 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:02 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 04:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:28 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...best-team/

I don't think Norlander gave Jacob Evans enough love. The leading scorer doesn't even get a mention

mr i don't expect houston anywhere near the top 5, here's a snap shot of the team





Thats a terrible Hype video.


Did nothing to evoke any kind of emotion. This is a good hype video IMO


Anyway, I never once said they wouldn't finish any where near the top 5. I think I might have put them at 6th or something. I think UCF, SMU, UC and WSU are better and that its very close between Temple, UCONN and Houston. The national media agrees with me.

i thinks its the opposite on the videos...
that video showed nothing about why that specific cincy team was good just that you had history .. you could have made something like that for every UH basketball team since the 90's using phi slama film and it wouldnt have hyped up anything

the one for houston clearly pointed out why this specific team should be good and why you should be hyped for this years team and players and what they are capable off...also hype video are not supposed to be emotional...

(your kinda homerish, so imagine if it was flipped...rob gray with phi slama footage saying its our time vs a video of gary clark, jacob evans, Cumberland, Washington and broome just destroying their opponents and your coach saying this is the best team he's had in years...what would be more hyping)

and you definitely insinuated that houston wouldnt be anywhere near the top 5 ..you listed your top 5 and said houston doesnt have the talent to compete with those 5..you had us 6th *then* ..and that didnt even include temple which you have since said in a different thread probably has a better chance to finish higher than houston ...

I've said over and over and over and over again both here and on /r/collegebasketball that the race for 3-7 is going to the be one of the best in college basketball and I can't really make my mind up on the order.

I don't even take issue with Houston being 5 or even 4 really, but I took issue with you writing off UCF as if they laid zero claim to 3rd or 4th in the AAC. Its just you acted as if Houston had zero debate over being better than UCF. UCF had 2 more top 100 wins than houston, they finished the season much better, they actually won 3 games in the post season compared to Houston winning zero and lost 1 player while also bringing in some good replacements that have D1 experience. I don't hate houston, I just thought your unfounded arrogance about a vastly unproven team who lost its best overall player and brings in 8 new guys was kinda nuts

i have never had issue with anyone saying ucf is better..i'm fine with them being perceived as better than us..it's that they are at a whole other tier that ive debated

this whole conversation started when i said the media and everyone here has us a consensus 6 or 7...that it was fine, preseason doesnt matter in basketball..but it was odd seeing what we returned and how we finished...you responded saying we didn't have the talent to compete with the top 5, that's where it all started and our debate began

secondly) dotson wasnt our best player...anyone who watched UH basketball would know it was gray without question...this isnt even a debate...dotson only had half a season of dominance and relied on the rest of the team setting up shots for him...

gray was our best player and it's not even a debate (talking purely college not nba potential)

literally 2 months ago 7 UC fans were debating that gray deserved 1st all conference but not dotson, that it should have gone to a UC player...now uc fans are debating that dotson was our best player and irreplaceable, you guys are changing your narrative to fit your debates

3rd) we had a higher rpi than ucf, higher conference finish than ucf ..ucf had a 6 player rotation player ALL season,they lost 3 of that (they didnt just lose 1 player, stop twisting the truth)...houston had a 8 player rotation and lost 3

4th) using who finished better in a winner take all tournament is a foolish quantifier of talent since everyone has a different match-ups...by that foolish logic xavier was a better team than villanova last season, since xavier got further in the tourney (note vill beat xavier by 20 both times it played last year. vill also finished at #1 in the final AP, Xavier was unranked)

4b) ucf only has 2 more top 100 wins because it got further in the nit tournament, we had more top 100 wins in the regular season

5tth) your "bringing in 8 players" logic is SOO BADD, we are bringing in the core of last years team we actually arent to trying to mix all 8 players into the rotation...we brought in 8 they will compete in the offseason the best 3 to 4 will join the 5 man rotation already on the roster

by your logic..we'd have been better by not bringing players to compete...most arent expecting mike or breaon to play this season (unless they dominate the offseason). so just not giving them a shot, and only bringing in 6 would have made us better?? that's fools logic

Sampson isnt a rookie, he's been to double the tourneys Cronin has, he can handle bringing in 8

..There is only ONE arrogant person in this debate..THAT IS YOU stop pretending like you know houston more than houston fans...it is evident you barely watched any of our games last year (don't lie like you did)...you didn't even know we brought in 8 players till we told you....that is arrogance, telling a team you barely follow why they wont be good
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(07-11-2017 03:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 02:07 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:42 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:02 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 04:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  mr i don't expect houston anywhere near the top 5, here's a snap shot of the team





Thats a terrible Hype video.


Did nothing to evoke any kind of emotion. This is a good hype video IMO


Anyway, I never once said they wouldn't finish any where near the top 5. I think I might have put them at 6th or something. I think UCF, SMU, UC and WSU are better and that its very close between Temple, UCONN and Houston. The national media agrees with me.

i thinks its the opposite on the videos...
that video showed nothing about why that specific cincy team was good just that you had history .. you could have made something like that for every UH basketball team since the 90's using phi slama film and it wouldnt have hyped up anything

the one for houston clearly pointed out why this specific team should be good and why you should be hyped for this years team and players and what they are capable off...also hype video are not supposed to be emotional...

(your kinda homerish, so imagine if it was flipped...rob gray with phi slama footage saying its our time vs a video of gary clark, jacob evans, Cumberland, Washington and broome just destroying their opponents and your coach saying this is the best team he's had in years...what would be more hyping)

and you definitely insinuated that houston wouldnt be anywhere near the top 5 ..you listed your top 5 and said houston doesnt have the talent to compete with those 5..you had us 6th *then* ..and that didnt even include temple which you have since said in a different thread probably has a better chance to finish higher than houston ...

I've said over and over and over and over again both here and on /r/collegebasketball that the race for 3-7 is going to the be one of the best in college basketball and I can't really make my mind up on the order.

I don't even take issue with Houston being 5 or even 4 really, but I took issue with you writing off UCF as if they laid zero claim to 3rd or 4th in the AAC. Its just you acted as if Houston had zero debate over being better than UCF. UCF had 2 more top 100 wins than houston, they finished the season much better, they actually won 3 games in the post season compared to Houston winning zero and lost 1 player while also bringing in some good replacements that have D1 experience. I don't hate houston, I just thought your unfounded arrogance about a vastly unproven team who lost its best overall player and brings in 8 new guys was kinda nuts

i have never had issue with anyone saying ucf is better..i'm fine with them being perceived as better than us..it's that they are at a whole other tier that ive debated

this whole conversation started when i said the media and everyone here has us a consensus 6 or 7...that it was fine, preseason doesnt matter in basketball..but it was odd seeing what we returned and how we finished...you responded saying we didn't have the talent to compete with the top 5, that's where it all started and our debate began

secondly) dotson wasnt our best player...anyone who watched UH basketball would know it was gray without question...this isnt even a debate...dotson only had half a season of dominance and relied on the rest of the team setting up shots for him...

gray was our best player and it's not even a debate (talking purely college not nba potential)

literally 2 months ago 7 UC fans were debating that gray deserved 1st all conference but not dotson, that it should have gone to a UC player...now uc fans are debating that dotson was our best player and irreplaceable, you guys are changing your narrative to fit your debates

3rd) we had a higher rpi than ucf, higher conference finish than ucf ..ucf had a 6 player rotation player ALL season,they lost 3 of that (they didnt just lose 1 player, stop twisting the truth)...houston had a 8 player rotation and lost 3

4th) using who finished better in a winner take all tournament is a foolish quantifier of talent since everyone has a different match-ups...by that foolish logic xavier was a better team than villanova last season, since xavier got further in the tourney (note vill beat xavier by 20 both times it played last year. vill also finished at #1 in the final AP, Xavier was unranked)

4b) ucf only has 2 more top 100 wins because it got further in the nit tournament, we had more top 100 wins in the regular season

5tth) your "bringing in 8 players" logic is SOO BADD, we are bringing in the core of last years team we actually arent to trying to mix all 8 players into the rotation...we brought in 8 they will compete in the offseason the best 3 to 4 will join the 5 man rotation already on the roster

by your logic..we'd have been better by not bringing players to compete...most arent expecting mike or breaon to play this season (unless they dominate the offseason). so just not giving them a shot, and only bringing in 6 would have made us better?? that's fools logic

Sampson isnt a rookie, he's been to double the tourneys Cronin has, he can handle bringing in 8

..There is only ONE arrogant person in this debate..THAT IS YOU stop pretending like you know houston more than houston fans...it is evident you barely watched any of our games last year (don't lie like you did)...you didn't even know we brought in 8 players till we told you....that is arrogance, telling a team you barely follow why they wont be good

I watched at least 8 full Houston games last season. I'm college basketball junkie. I saw both games against UC, I watched the UCONN game, I watched the LSU game, the UCONN AAC tourney game they lost in, I watched the SMU game as well and bits and pieces of others.

A person who looks at scoring only would think Gray Jr is your best player.
Who is better in the following stats (kenpom):
Offensive rating: Dotson (by a full 10 points)
Effective FG%: Dotson (who also shot more 3's) and 85th in the country
True SHooting %: Dotson
Off reb %: Dotson
Def Reb %: Dotson (2x Gray's)
Turnover Rate: Dotson


Literally the only thing Gray had on Dotson was scoring and getting fouled more. Dotson was a better rebounder, Better defender, Better Shooter and much more efficient player.

So I went through all of Houston's big AAC losses and wins and I found a pretty crazy pattern. When Gray was the leading scorer and Dotson had an Off game, Houston LOST. When Dotson was way on his game, Houston WON and usually was the Kenpom MVP of the game.

Win against Memphis: Dotson MVP 31 points
Win against UCONN: Dotson MVP
Loss against SMU: Gray leading scorer,
Win against UCF: Dotson MVP 31 points
Loss Against SMU: Dotson played near perfect but gray didn’t
Loss against UCF: Gray was leading scorer
Loss against memphis: gray was leading scorer
Loss Against UC: Gray was the leading scorer

Literally the only outlier in this group is the Loss to SMU, where Dotson played absolutely perfect and had a kenpom rating of 130 something but still lost (this tells me houston just couldn't beat SMU on any night, but neither could UC).

So what I see from this is that when Gray is the guy taking all the shots, Houston loses bigs games but when Dotson is playing the star role, they win.

Also I'll throw this last one in there too.

When Houston played Mid Major Akron in the tourney, Gray lead the team in scoring and shots taken and thus points scored. they lost too.
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(07-11-2017 07:56 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  I watched at least 8 full Houston games last season. I'm college basketball junkie. I saw both games against UC, I watched the UCONN game, I watched the LSU game, the UCONN AAC tourney game they lost in, I watched the SMU game as well and bits and pieces of others.

A person who looks at scoring only would think Gray Jr is your best player.
Who is better in the following stats (kenpom):
Offensive rating: Dotson (by a full 10 points)
Effective FG%: Dotson (who also shot more 3's) and 85th in the country
True SHooting %: Dotson
Off reb %: Dotson
Def Reb %: Dotson (2x Gray's)
Turnover Rate: Dotson


Literally the only thing Gray had on Dotson was scoring and getting fouled more. Dotson was a better rebounder, Better defender, Better Shooter and much more efficient player.

So I went through all of Houston's big AAC losses and wins and I found a pretty crazy pattern. When Gray was the leading scorer and Dotson had an Off game, Houston LOST. When Dotson was way on his game, Houston WON and usually was the Kenpom MVP of the game.

Win against Memphis: Dotson MVP 31 points
Win against UCONN: Dotson MVP
Loss against SMU: Gray leading scorer,
Win against UCF: Dotson MVP 31 points
Loss Against SMU: Dotson played near perfect but gray didn’t
Loss against UCF: Gray was leading scorer
Loss against memphis: gray was leading scorer
Loss Against UC: Gray was the leading scorer

Literally the only outlier in this group is the Loss to SMU, where Dotson played absolutely perfect and had a kenpom rating of 130 something but still lost (this tells me houston just couldn't beat SMU on any night, but neither could UC).

So what I see from this is that when Gray is the guy taking all the shots, Houston loses bigs games but when Dotson is playing the star role, they win.

Also I'll throw this last one in there too.

When Houston played Mid Major Akron in the tourney, Gray lead the team in scoring and shots taken and thus points scored. they lost too.

more or less you just watched the end of the season...when dotson took over...like i said dotson dominated for half a season...and thats when he had no choice as everyone figured out to focus on gray

Our best 2 wins of the season
vermont (29-6): gray had 20 pts 5 asts (leading scorer)
rhode island (top 25 most of the season, beat UC): rob had 30 points 5 assists 7rbs
--dotson barely produced any points in those games


this is why i mentioned selective stats..you chose a selection of games, not the full season, because you wanted to present bias...

When Gray was the leading scorer and Dotson had an Off game, Houston LOST. when Dotson was way on his game, Houston WON and usually was the Kenpom MVP of the game.

gray went 9 for 24 in the memphis lose you listed (an off game) and rimmed out on a shot to take it to overtime...the game was lost on gray being off not dotson...seeing how gray had a chance to win it in the end and shot at a low percentage

we beat uconn twice...the first time we beat them gray was the leading scorer and that was @ UConn ..why did you only mention one

your are the definiton of PURE BIAS!! You are a manipulator who twists stats to fit their narrative...


ps we lost to akron because akron had 300lb center who we didnt have the size to stop...gray and dotson both played great in that game....and both dont play center, so blaming that lose on either of them is stupid ..insinuating because gray scored 24 and Dotson only score 19 is why we lost is why you have lost ALL credibility with me....flip their points the outcome would have been the same...we were guard heavy Last season and didnt have the size to play a team like akron....
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(07-10-2017 04:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:28 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...best-team/

I don't think Norlander gave Jacob Evans enough love. The leading scorer doesn't even get a mention

mr i don't expect houston anywhere near the top 5, here's a snap shot of the team



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(07-10-2017 07:22 PM)Shockdaminkey Wrote:  Seriously, this guy must have had to meet deadline before he got around to "analyzing" Temple.
As for Memphis, he is way too hung up on rating stars. Tubby doesn't have to have high star guys like Calipari requires to be successful. Memphis could well be an addition by subtraction roster, though it is going to take a year or two to get better. But there are already some nice pieces, stars be damned.
Houston I simply still don't know enough about to make my own analysis.
I do agree with his indication that Tulsa could be the darkhorse this year.
WSU, Cincy, UCF, he made the easy calls. UConn should be pushing to the top again.
Since I have limited knowledge of USF, and Tulane this was at least somewhat helpful information. But I'm not sure there is any heat under Lebo's seat is there? Should be, of course, but from the musings I've read from ECU fans here doesn't seem like he has much to be concerned about from their current admn.
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(07-10-2017 08:38 PM)WhyIsTheRumGone Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 07:22 PM)Shockdaminkey Wrote:  Seriously, this guy must have had to meet deadline before he got around to "analyzing" Temple.
As for Memphis, he is way too hung up on rating stars. Tubby doesn't have to have high star guys like Calipari requires to be successful. Memphis could well be an addition by subtraction roster, though it is going to take a year or two to get better. But there are already some nice pieces, stars be damned.
Houston I simply still don't know enough about to make my own analysis.
I do agree with his indication that Tulsa could be the darkhorse this year.
WSU, Cincy, UCF, he made the easy calls. UConn should be pushing to the top again.
Since I have limited knowledge of USF, and Tulane this was at least somewhat helpful information. But I'm not sure there is any heat under Lebo's seat is there? Should be, of course, but from the musings I've read from ECU fans here doesn't seem like he has much to be concerned about from their current admn.

The deal with Lebo is this...

Lebo is terrible. Our AD is terrible. However, most believe that Lebo is gone after this season if he has another awful year. The reason he has been kept on so long was a boneheaded contract extension and the fact that we'd have owed Lebo $2M had we fired him before this season. He's eventually going to be gone... I am confident that this is the last season we have to suffer Jeff Lebo.
doesn't matter. Compher will hire some him retread who just wants a paycheck.

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(07-11-2017 09:28 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 04:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:28 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...best-team/

I don't think Norlander gave Jacob Evans enough love. The leading scorer doesn't even get a mention

mr i don't expect houston anywhere near the top 5, here's a snap shot of the team



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youre an idiot if you really think this....and this coming from an ecu fan??????????????

its a sports forum we trash talk sports....saying its tied to my self esteem is an idiotic assumption

so anyone who who trash talks has self esteem issues?? stupid post..it doesn't even correlate.. how can you examine a persone self-esteem through sports conversations...
self esteem is based self reflection...
person 1: my baseball team will be decent
person 2: you think youre ugly don't you and hate yourself
??? it doesn't correlate
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(07-11-2017 11:48 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 10:27 AM)gopirates11 Wrote:  with ECUs terrible OOC schedule I fully expect us to be close to if not above .500 at the end of the season This may be the worst schedule lebo has ever put together in his 8 years at ECU and it will completely fool the casual basketball fan from ECU although our RPI will be 200+ once again.

IMO Lebo will be extended after this season or after the 2018-2019 season because we do have some nice pieces and athletes that can steal a few games throughout the AAC conference slate and people will see that as "progress"

Doesn't the athletic department put together all OOC schedules? Why would a head coach be doing such a thing, kind of out of their lane, no?
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(07-11-2017 09:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 09:28 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 04:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:28 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...best-team/

I don't think Norlander gave Jacob Evans enough love. The leading scorer doesn't even get a mention

mr i don't expect houston anywhere near the top 5, here's a snap shot of the team



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youre an idiot if you really think this....and this coming from an ecu fan??????????????

its a sports forum we trash talk sports....saying its tied to my self esteem is an idiotic assumption

so anyone who who trash talks has self esteem issues?? stupid post..it doesn't even correlate.. how can you examine a persone self-esteem through sports conversations...
self esteem is based self reflection...
person 1: my baseball team will he decent
person 2: you think youre ugly don't you and hate yourself
it doesn't correlate
In every one of your posts here you act like a little fking btch. get over yourself. It it gets old seeing thread after thread bogged down with you quoting 5 quotes in one just because somebody had the nerve to disagree with you.

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(07-11-2017 09:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-11-2017 09:28 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 04:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:28 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...best-team/

I don't think Norlander gave Jacob Evans enough love. The leading scorer doesn't even get a mention

mr i don't expect houston anywhere near the top 5, here's a snap shot of the team



You're feelings are hurt easily. What's it like having so much of your self esteem tied to your school's athletic programs?

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youre an idiot if you really think this....and this coming from an ecu fan??????????????

its a sports forum we trash talk sports....saying its tied to my self esteem is an idiotic assumption

so anyone who who trash talks has self esteem issues?? stupid post..it doesn't even correlate.. how can you examine a persone self-esteem through sports conversations...
self esteem is based self reflection...
person 1: my baseball team will he decent
person 2: you think youre ugly don't you and hate yourself
it doesn't correlate
In every one of your posts here you act like a little ******* *****.

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they say i act like a little ******* ***** (whatever tthat was)...
saying its self esteem is a stupid assumption as it makes no sense as you cant evaluate that through sports conversations on the internet

here ill help..you are too "sensitive" or too "defenisve" about your team... make sense at least if you are going to come at me.

and again ecu is the most defensive fanbase on this forum...being pure trash has just tamed you guys
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