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What non-power schools...?
...would your power conference legitimately consider?

Seriously, are there any non-power schools that could contend for a spot in your conference?

Cincinnati to the ACC or SEC? Connecticut to the B1G or ACC? UNLV or New Mexico to the PAC? Anyone to the XII or is it a dead man walking?
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(07-09-2017 02:19 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  ...would your power conference legitimately consider?

Seriously, are there any non-power schools that could contend for a spot in your conference?

Cincinnati to the ACC or SEC? Connecticut to the B1G or ACC? UNLV or New Mexico to the PAC? Anyone to the XII or is it a dead man walking?

Big 10 if all else they have planned fails possibly Connecticut. 1 chance in 50.

SEC if all else fails they sit at 14 for a long long time and if E.C.U. or South Florida improve enough to get their academic ranking within range and an R1 status maybe in 30 to 40 years they get a look. 1 chance in 100.

ACC if Notre Dame has a hankering for Cincinnati for some reason and is willing to go all in maybe. 1 chance in 10.

Big 12 most likely will be picked apart by the others. They've already exhausted a search and decided no. Little to no chance.

PAC 12 is the most likely to promote current G5's IMO. U.N.L.V., New Mexico,and Hawaii might one day get a look. 1 chance in 3.

It may sound crazy to most, but the best chance for G5 promotion resides in the current P5 becoming a P3. Should the SEC and ACC take the best of the Big 12 and the PAC lag behind everyone else economically then it is possible that the Big 10 might one day take 6 to 10 PAC schools.

If so the remnants of the Big 12 and PAC could join with the best of the AAC and form a four division national conference that would become perhaps the 4th Power Conference effectively promoting them all. Why? While they might not be paid as well as the other P3 they nonetheless would provide networks with games across all time zones, would alleviate the greatest threat of law suits, and by becoming a P conference would enhance the value of tickets for games played against them by the other 3.
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(07-09-2017 02:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 02:19 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  ...would your power conference legitimately consider?

Seriously, are there any non-power schools that could contend for a spot in your conference?

Cincinnati to the ACC or SEC? Connecticut to the B1G or ACC? UNLV or New Mexico to the PAC? Anyone to the XII or is it a dead man walking?

Big 10 if all else they have planned fails possibly Connecticut. 1 chance in 50.

SEC if all else fails they sit at 14 for a long long time and if E.C.U. or South Florida improve enough to get their academic ranking within range and an R1 status maybe in 30 to 40 years they get a look. 1 chance in 100.

ACC if Notre Dame has a hankering for Cincinnati for some reason and is willing to go all in maybe. 1 chance in 10.

Big 12 most likely will be picked apart by the others. They've already exhausted a search and decided no. Little to no chance.

PAC 12 is the most likely to promote current G5's IMO. U.N.L.V., New Mexico,and Hawaii might one day get a look. 1 chance in 3.

East Carolina in the SEC posssibly becomes the #2 or #3 option in the State of North Carolina for recruits. I think South Florida is more "SEC" than Central Florida.

The PAC is in a geographically-precarious position for sure.
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(07-09-2017 02:38 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 02:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 02:19 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  ...would your power conference legitimately consider?

Seriously, are there any non-power schools that could contend for a spot in your conference?

Cincinnati to the ACC or SEC? Connecticut to the B1G or ACC? UNLV or New Mexico to the PAC? Anyone to the XII or is it a dead man walking?

Big 10 if all else they have planned fails possibly Connecticut. 1 chance in 50.

SEC if all else fails they sit at 14 for a long long time and if E.C.U. or South Florida improve enough to get their academic ranking within range and an R1 status maybe in 30 to 40 years they get a look. 1 chance in 100.

ACC if Notre Dame has a hankering for Cincinnati for some reason and is willing to go all in maybe. 1 chance in 10.

Big 12 most likely will be picked apart by the others. They've already exhausted a search and decided no. Little to no chance.

PAC 12 is the most likely to promote current G5's IMO. U.N.L.V., New Mexico,and Hawaii might one day get a look. 1 chance in 3.

East Carolina in the SEC posssibly becomes the #2 or #3 option in the State of North Carolina for recruits. I think South Florida is more "SEC" than Central Florida.

The PAC is in a geographically-precarious position for sure.

Note my updated post.
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We are adding on to our stadium.m again after this season. I would say our stadium is nicer or on par with/then SEC schools of Ole Miss and Kentucky. And nicer then several ACC schools of Boston College, Wake Forest, Duke, NC State, Georgia Tech, and Syracuse.



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G5 with P5 chances

SEC: ECU, SMU, UCF or USF
ACC: Cincinnati, Navy, Temple, UCF or USF
BIG: UConn, Buffalo
PAC: UNLV, New Mexico, Hawaii, Houston, Rice
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RE: What non-power schools...?
the only schools that help SEC & B-10 are Va & NC
unless B-10 thinks Conn would help cultavate NYC along with Kansas

ACC would need a power FB program to keep FB schools from balking
you would play ND less & have to worry about FB schools jumping to B-12

Pac-12 ony hope for state of Tex is Hous, along with Haw
15 & 16: how about NM & u of British Columbia

B-12 has to double thier market size & turn LHN into quasi conf network
BYU, Conn, UCF, USF, Cin, Memphis, Temple, Buffalo for 18
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(07-09-2017 02:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 02:19 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  ...would your power conference legitimately consider?

Seriously, are there any non-power schools that could contend for a spot in your conference?

Cincinnati to the ACC or SEC? Connecticut to the B1G or ACC? UNLV or New Mexico to the PAC? Anyone to the XII or is it a dead man walking?

Big 10 if all else they have planned fails possibly Connecticut. 1 chance in 50.

SEC if all else fails they sit at 14 for a long long time and if E.C.U. or South Florida improve enough to get their academic ranking within range and an R1 status maybe in 30 to 40 years they get a look. 1 chance in 100.

ACC if Notre Dame has a hankering for Cincinnati for some reason and is willing to go all in maybe. 1 chance in 10.

Big 12 most likely will be picked apart by the others. They've already exhausted a search and decided no. Little to no chance.

PAC 12 is the most likely to promote current G5's IMO. U.N.L.V., New Mexico,and Hawaii might one day get a look. 1 chance in 3.

It may sound crazy to most, but the best chance for G5 promotion resides in the current P5 becoming a P3. Should the SEC and ACC take the best of the Big 12 and the PAC lag behind everyone else economically then it is possible that the Big 10 might one day take 6 to 10 PAC schools.

If so the remnants of the Big 12 and PAC could join with the best of the AAC and form a four division national conference that would become perhaps the 4th Power Conference effectively promoting them all. Why? While they might not be paid as well as the other P3 they nonetheless would provide networks with games across all time zones, would alleviate the greatest threat of law suits, and by becoming a P conference would enhance the value of tickets for games played against them by the other 3.

South Florida? I'd figure it'd be UCF in a non-NFL market and bigger school getting the call.

Also, I could see the Pac taking UNLV and Nevada or BYU and Hawai'I but only in those combos.
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(07-09-2017 05:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 02:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 02:19 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  ...would your power conference legitimately consider?

Seriously, are there any non-power schools that could contend for a spot in your conference?

Cincinnati to the ACC or SEC? Connecticut to the B1G or ACC? UNLV or New Mexico to the PAC? Anyone to the XII or is it a dead man walking?

Big 10 if all else they have planned fails possibly Connecticut. 1 chance in 50.

SEC if all else fails they sit at 14 for a long long time and if E.C.U. or South Florida improve enough to get their academic ranking within range and an R1 status maybe in 30 to 40 years they get a look. 1 chance in 100.

ACC if Notre Dame has a hankering for Cincinnati for some reason and is willing to go all in maybe. 1 chance in 10.

Big 12 most likely will be picked apart by the others. They've already exhausted a search and decided no. Little to no chance.

PAC 12 is the most likely to promote current G5's IMO. U.N.L.V., New Mexico,and Hawaii might one day get a look. 1 chance in 3.

It may sound crazy to most, but the best chance for G5 promotion resides in the current P5 becoming a P3. Should the SEC and ACC take the best of the Big 12 and the PAC lag behind everyone else economically then it is possible that the Big 10 might one day take 6 to 10 PAC schools.

If so the remnants of the Big 12 and PAC could join with the best of the AAC and form a four division national conference that would become perhaps the 4th Power Conference effectively promoting them all. Why? While they might not be paid as well as the other P3 they nonetheless would provide networks with games across all time zones, would alleviate the greatest threat of law suits, and by becoming a P conference would enhance the value of tickets for games played against them by the other 3.

South Florida? I'd figure it'd be UCF in a non-NFL market and bigger school getting the call.

Also, I could see the Pac taking UNLV and Nevada or BYU and Hawai'I but only in those combos.

Yes and Disney is a destination location. But USF has stepped up their research spending and will probably reach the metrics before UCF.
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(07-09-2017 05:11 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  the only schools that help SEC & B-10 are Va & NC
unless B-10 thinks Conn would help cultavate NYC along with Kansas

ACC would need a power FB program to keep FB schools from balking
you would play ND less & have to worry about FB schools jumping to B-12

Pac-12 ony hope for state of Tex is Hous, along with Haw
15 & 16: how about NM & u of British Columbia

B-12 has to double thier market size & turn LHN into quasi conf network
BYU, Conn, UCF, USF, Cin, Memphis, Temple, Buffalo for 18

Like JR said though, if everything else fell through.

ECU only has a shot if they are the last girl in the bar at closing time.
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I don't think you will see anyone in the current G5 get picked up by a P5 if that group decides to absorb the Big 12 whole (minus Baylor of course).
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(07-09-2017 05:10 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  G5 with P5 chances

SEC: ECU, SMU, UCF or USF
ACC: Cincinnati, Navy, Temple, UCF or USF
BIG: UConn, Buffalo
PAC: UNLV, New Mexico, Hawaii, Houston, Rice

Again, I am not getting the REGION logic used by G5 schools. It will be still be based on new markets. Regions is not a P5 worry.

ACC -
- Navy only if ND wants them. The other big issue will be Army/Navy game. ACC will not want the game after the regular season and ACC requires equal revenue sharing. Navy may say no even if ND wants them in the AAC.

- SMU and Houston - Texas Market (SMU is the better fit with other private schools, Houston to me is the better option being the larger school)

- Cincy - Ohio market

I doubt U_F or Temple could get enought support from the ACC schools. Miami & FSU will not want the Florida Schools and it is not like Pitt and Temple has a historic rival.

The holy grail for Swofford & the ACC is to get ND and Texas as full time members. So I think the ACC does nothing until 2023-25 until the B12 Schools figures out what they are doing.
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(07-09-2017 06:14 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 05:10 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  G5 with P5 chances

SEC: ECU, SMU, UCF or USF
ACC: Cincinnati, Navy, Temple, UCF or USF
BIG: UConn, Buffalo
PAC: UNLV, New Mexico, Hawaii, Houston, Rice

Again, I am not getting the REGION logic used by G5 schools. It will be still be based on new markets. Regions is not a P5 worry.

ACC -
- Navy only if ND wants them. The other big issue will be Army/Navy game. ACC will not want the game after the regular season and ACC requires equal revenue sharing. Navy may say no even if ND wants them in the AAC.

- SMU and Houston - Texas Market (SMU is the better fit with other private schools, Houston to me is the better option being the larger school)

- Cincy - Ohio market

I doubt U_F or Temple could get enought support from the ACC schools. Miami & FSU will not want the Florida Schools and it is not like Pitt and Temple has a historic rival.

The holy grail for Swofford & the ACC is to get ND and Texas as full time members. So I think the ACC does nothing until 2023-25 until the B12 Schools figures out what they are doing.

I realize it is about new markets. I could see the ACC taking another Florida school to make the southern the school happy if the ACC toolbox WVU or Cincinnati. I could also see the ACC going after Memphis to get into Tennessee market.

BIG: wants Va/NC market, New England market, and Kansas City market.
ACC: Needs Mid-Atlantic market. Could take Navy or Temple for DC or Philadelphia market. Also could go into Ohio market.
SEC: NC/VA market and would like D.C. Market. Also wants Dallas market.
PAC: Need Texas market. Could go after Hawaii market as well for later games and to try to get into the Asian/Australian market. Could solidify Las Vegas market.

Big 12: Needs more markets. Surprised they haven't gone after NC, TN, OH, FL, and New Orleans. They could add ECU, UCF, USF, Tulane, Memphis, and Cincinnati and double their market.
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If you look at it financially I don't believe conditions are right for anyone to go into P5 other than BYU and they are obviously problematic.

I don't think ECU makes it simply because I don't see being the fifth P5 in state even as the third or fourth most popular being a successful situation.

New Mexico and UNLV might get to the point of being viable down the road, maybe Hawaii if Asian markets become viable.

Right now financially FBS is shaped like an hourglass. Seems more likely a few schools get shuffled out making the middle fatter.
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(07-09-2017 06:30 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 06:14 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 05:10 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  G5 with P5 chances

SEC: ECU, SMU, UCF or USF
ACC: Cincinnati, Navy, Temple, UCF or USF
BIG: UConn, Buffalo
PAC: UNLV, New Mexico, Hawaii, Houston, Rice

Again, I am not getting the REGION logic used by G5 schools. It will be still be based on new markets. Regions is not a P5 worry.

ACC -
- Navy only if ND wants them. The other big issue will be Army/Navy game. ACC will not want the game after the regular season and ACC requires equal revenue sharing. Navy may say no even if ND wants them in the AAC.

- SMU and Houston - Texas Market (SMU is the better fit with other private schools, Houston to me is the better option being the larger school)

- Cincy - Ohio market

I doubt U_F or Temple could get enought support from the ACC schools. Miami & FSU will not want the Florida Schools and it is not like Pitt and Temple has a historic rival.

The holy grail for Swofford & the ACC is to get ND and Texas as full time members. So I think the ACC does nothing until 2023-25 until the B12 Schools figures out what they are doing.

I realize it is about new markets. I could see the ACC taking another Florida school to make the southern the school happy if the ACC toolbox WVU or Cincinnati. I could also see the ACC going after Memphis to get into Tennessee market.

BIG: wants Va/NC market, New England market, and Kansas City market.
ACC: Needs Mid-Atlantic market. Could take Navy or Temple for DC or Philadelphia market. Also could go into Ohio market.
SEC: NC/VA market and would like D.C. Market. Also wants Dallas market.
PAC: Need Texas market. Could go after Hawaii market as well for later games and to try to get into the Asian/Australian market. Could solidify Las Vegas market.

Big 12: Needs more markets. Surprised they haven't gone after NC, TN, OH, FL, and New Orleans. They could add ECU, UCF, USF, Tulane, Memphis, and Cincinnati and double their market.

Again, I think the ACC outside of Navy looks west towards Ohio and Texas not the mid atlantic. I think UCF, USF, CINCI & ECU would be great if the B12 were to expand to create an East Division but I think that ship has sailed. If Texas, KS ,OU and OSU bolt. I think the four mentioned above with Houston and Tulsa would be a great new B12 with the remaining teams.
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I think the most P5 ready schools are:

Houston
Cincy
UCF
UCF
UConn

unfortunately I think the Big 12 slammed the door on their aspirations after their dog and pony show over expansion. The way I see things heading, some of these schools will eventually make their way into a tweener conference with the left behind Big 12 schools when the P4 leaves them behind.
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why would ACC be expanding?
less chances at ND
where do they find a strong FB program
10-12 in NCAA tourn, ain't broke, don't fix it
Navy bring nothing for conf network
Conn, Buff, Cin, Temple, ECU, U_f
who on that list is a "gotta have"
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(07-09-2017 07:29 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  why would ACC be expanding?
less chances at ND
where do they find a strong FB program
10-12 in NCAA tourn, ain't broke, don't fix it
Navy bring nothing for conf network
Conn, Buff, Cin, Temple, ECU, U_f
who on that list is a "gotta have"

If ND says they will join the ACC and if Navy is the 16th team to keep the Navy/ND game, the ACC would agree to have Navy. Not the team I would want as 16 but I have no issue. I think the Army/Navy game would be the huge sticking point for Date and Rev sharing for Navy. ACC is big on Revenue Sharing. All expansion depends on ND.
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(07-09-2017 06:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If you look at it financially I don't believe conditions are right for anyone to go into P5 other than BYU and they are obviously problematic.

I don't think ECU makes it simply because I don't see being the fifth P5 in state even as the third or fourth most popular being a successful situation.

New Mexico and UNLV might get to the point of being viable down the road, maybe Hawaii if Asian markets become viable.

Right now financially FBS is shaped like an hourglass. Seems more likely a few schools get shuffled out making the middle fatter.

For football in the state of NC I would say NC State is #1 and UNC & ECU are tied for #2. In a state like NC with a population of 10 million people it will not be a problem. You look like a state like SC where there is only 4 million people and they have two strong P5 programs. NC needs a football first program in P5 since all the ACC schools are basketball first. ECU in a P5 would take off. You have to remember ECU is not some small school. We are larger then the ACC schools in our state (except NC State), with over 30,000 students and we are still growing. The fan base size would not be the issue, as we also still have higher attendance than many P5 schools.
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To get to P5, it isn't your record. Your record is a means to an ends. The ends is Attendance (thus potential viewing audience too from that, if added).

If you're consistently a 5-7 to 7-5 G5 team, yet have a 55k attendance on average -- you'll go to P5. Definitely over a consistently 9-3 G5 team with a 22k attendance who doesn't have some big potential attendance "hitting it big".

If it was purely by record, Boise would have already joined the PAC a little while ago. But the attendance includes potential additional audience, which Boise lacks (cable stream). A nice G5 attendance, but not enough to go P5 considering their locale.

Buffalo could make it -- because of their potential additional audience, and close locale to the ACC, and definitely close enough for the B1G.
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