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Would appreciate anyone who cares to to voice your thoughts to Cincinnati Bell

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/08/wou...e-dog.html
 
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(07-09-2017 08:02 AM)Fubar Wrote:  Would appreciate anyone who cares to to voice your thoughts to Cincinnati Bell

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/08/wou...e-dog.html

If he is an installer I can see where the service dog might be an issue going into homes with other dogs or severely allergic owners but I have to believe he could be assigned to install at homes without dogs or people with allergy issues.

Wounded vets should be accommodated is at all possible or be found a position within an organization that can accommodate their needs.

This guy wants to work and his PTSD is a result of his service. Everything should be done for those who have served their country. Shame on Cincinnati Bell.
 
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The guy is an installer. I'm all for accommodating vets but that's a ridiculous expectation to be able to take a pet into other people's homes.

This "service dog" stuff is getting ridiculous. Anyone who can get a doctors note about depression or anxiety wants to have their "service dog" with them everywhere.

Just last night I was at a huge church festival and a my buddy's kid got yelled at for petting a "service dog". If you need a dog with you constantly just to exist then a church festival probably isn't a great place to go and especially not kiddie land where there are a thousand dog loving kids running around.
 
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I don't allow animals in my house. Sorry, not sorry.
 
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My dog would not take kindly to another dog in the house, nor do I want a strange dog in my house.
 
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Do we even know if he would be taking the dog into the house. If he has a van he could say in the van when he is at the home. Just run the engine and air for the dog. There are ways around this. We have trained service dogs for vets and you just have to think about the issues and work thru them with the dog and the owner.
 
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Plus technically it is not a service dog it is a emotional support dog.There are different rule for each. A service dog has to perform a task. Such as open doors or pick thing up or be the persons eyes and such.
 
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I'm all for any military recognition and benefits. This topic
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If someone brings a support dog into my house, it will be dogmaggeddon...my bulldog was coined "the meat missle" by Eastside for a reason and her brother the 165 lb Dane puppy is part mustang and part crocodile. Bring Fido in my pad without body armor and the dog will need an emotional support dog too. 03-lmfao
 
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My parish has a veteran who attends who has a "companion" dog, pretty much as is being described here. She (the vet) got into it pretty hard with another parishioner who actually trains bone fide "Service Animals": guide dogs, etc... The vet (who, PTSD aside is not the most stable person) gets pretty bothered that restaurants do not accord her dog privileges like the full "service animals" and often refuse the dog entrance.

It's a nice enough dog and fairly well behaved, but is clearly NOT...and never will be...a bone fide "Service Animal." You can't tell the dog's owner that, though. The dog is an invaluable companion but simply does not have the temperament to be a Service Animal. To be fair, not many dogs do.

It's like I may play rec softball, but that doesn't make me a big-league ball player.
 
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(07-09-2017 11:21 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I don't allow animals in my house. Sorry, not sorry.

(07-09-2017 03:42 PM)Banter Wrote:  My dog would not take kindly to another dog in the house, nor do I want a strange dog in my house.

(07-09-2017 06:37 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If someone brings a support dog into my house, it will be dogmaggeddon...my bulldog was coined "the meat missle" by Eastside for a reason and her brother the 165 lb Dane puppy is part mustang and part crocodile. Bring Fido in my pad without body armor and the dog will need an emotional support dog too. 03-lmfao

(07-09-2017 06:51 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  My parish has a veteran who attends who has a "companion" dog, pretty much as is being described here. She (the vet) got into it pretty hard with another parishioner who actually trains bone fide "Service Animals": guide dogs, etc... The vet (who, PTSD aside is not the most stable person) gets pretty bothered that restaurants do not accord her dog privileges like the full "service animals" and often refuse the dog entrance.

It's a nice enough dog and fairly well behaved, but is clearly NOT...and never will be...a bone fide "Service Animal." You can't tell the dog's owner that, though. The dog is an invaluable companion but simply does not have the temperament to be a Service Animal. To be fair, not many dogs do.

It's like I may play rec softball, but that doesn't make me a big-league ball player.

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I served 20+ years in the Army and saw 2 tours in Viet Nam and 11 years in Korea. I have seen my share of combat (and once you have seen it, you really don't want to or have to see it again). There are a lot of people who return from combat areas who did not see action but were in traumatic situations (being real close to an IED going off, position receiving incoming rounds/mortars, etc) that are suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome that need outside help. Some of these people are served by a "service" animal that may not be a "service animal" in the strictest sense of the word, but who serve a big service to the vet who is being served. If it calms the vet down, that in itself is a great thing. What the hell, I believe as another on here said, allow the animal to accompany the vet to the door but not go in. The vet can perform his duty, and come back and retrieve his animal.
 
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(07-09-2017 09:24 PM)ctipton Wrote:  I served 20+ years in the Army and saw 2 tours in Viet Nam and 11 years in Korea. I have seen my share of combat (and once you have seen it, you really don't want to or have to see it again). There are a lot of people who return from combat areas who did not see action but were in traumatic situations (being real close to an IED going off, position receiving incoming rounds/mortars, etc) that are suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome that need outside help. Some of these people are served by a "service" animal that may not be a "service animal" in the strictest sense of the word, but who serve a big service to the vet who is being served. If it calms the vet down, that in itself is a great thing. What the hell, I believe as another on here said, allow the animal to accompany the vet to the door but not go in. The vet can perform his duty, and come back and retrieve his animal.
Thanks for saying this. Just because an animal isn't designated as a bona fide "service" animal doesn't mean it doesn't provide a benefit to the vet or isn't necessary to their function in society.

That being said, Cincinnati Bell can't force their customers to accept having the support animal in their home if they don't want to regardless of whether there is a legitimate concern to safety, property, health, etc.

I wouldn't have an issue with it as long as I received a heads up from the company, but I also don't have severe allergies or other animals that would lose their minds if another dog entered the house. Checking with customers in advance would represent a pretty significant workaround for the company and it could very well result in a reduced workload for the vet and the need to hire additional service people.

Why they can't move him to another department where customer consent isn't required - I don't know. There just be some way to accommodate this gentlemen.
 
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The dog can hang out in my backyard. I don't even care if it takes a couple of big ***** in it. But I'm allergic to dogs and don't want dog fur all over my house.
 
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On one hand, of course I have sympathy for a veteran who likely gets an invaluable service from this dog, for experiencing horrors I couldn't imagine.

On the other hand, there are just some jobs where you can't bring a dog. If I were going in for surgery and were asked to consent to the surgeon's service dog being present during the procedure, I would be hauling ass to another hospital.

This seems like something that should have been addressed during the screening process. I'm hoping it gets resolved amicably without further public floggings or legal action. Perhaps Cincinnati Bell can just reassign him to another job, like others have mentioned.
 
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I've worked with veterans who have PTSD and have seen some pretty crazy sh!t. I understand the dog thing, but maybe a different position for the fellow. Not sure leaving a dog in a van is the answer, and not sure expecting customers to let them in their homes is either. I have one super-hyper dog that would cause logistical issues.
 
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Just because one "installs phone lines" does not necessarily mean inside work. Don't jump to conclusions.
 
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(07-10-2017 09:59 AM)QSECOFR Wrote:  Just because one "installs phone lines" does not necessarily mean inside work. Don't jump to conclusions.

Yeah, I thought the same thing until one poster said he does in-home service. I know this is true because the internets don't lie.
 
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My neighbor is a home inspector who is a widow and has a wiener dog he takes on all home inspections. 9 out of 10 prospective buyers love the dog. If they don't he stays in the AC car. Not a big deal. People talk like this is a rocket science problem to solve.
 
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I wonder, are there other, equally effective ways to ameliorate this man's PTSD issues which wouldn't require the companionship of an animal? Suppose, for example, that the veteran were a cook. How many restaurant kitchens would tolerate having a live animal of any kind roaming around food-prep areas? How many health codes and health inspectors would even permit it?

I feel for the man and am grateful for his service and sacrifice, but I also think Cincinnati Bell is within its rights to establish standards of employee decorum.
 
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