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Football-Indy Syndicate: Possible secession plan for MWC schools prior to 2020
With all the talk about the MWC going solely to streaming, the idea of MWC secession is being talked about a lot.
It is possible the MWC media revenue will be so low that teams will be able to make more from their own deals?
Many are speculating that Boise is going to have to give up their special considerations and just be an ordinary member. This can't sit well with the Broncos.
A Football-Indy syndicate with BYU, Hawaii, San Diego, and Boise, becoming allies (as SDSU and Boise park their Olympics in the Big West) might give those teams a big leg up on the SJSUs. Add the Nevada schools and the Big West would make the MWC its... 05-nono.

Some of those schools will need to do what they need to do. 
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Who is talking about it and who is many speculating?
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RE: Football-Indy Syndicate: Possible secession plan for MWC schools prior to 2020
Feel free to mine through this thread about the MWC's upcoming TV contract value. I haven't quantified the various voices and their positions.

http://www.mwcboard.com/index.php?/topic...act-value/
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There is no plan.
However, the AD's and Univ Presidents have talked about the TV deal and there has been heavy discussions about it. I do believe that there is going to be more games streamed and I'm speculating that Stadium will be a bigger player in 2020. Not only in the digital area but OTA as well.
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Truthfully I don't know that there is a whole lot of room for too many more G5/P5 tweeners like BYU. There are only so many games against true P5s to go around and many will at best only give 2 for 1s. If schools like SDSU, Boise St, BYU, and AFA are all Indy they are just going to end up playing against each other.
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Please please please oh God please do this.
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I'd like to see more independent schools and Liberty could use the company.
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(07-07-2017 06:53 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  Feel free to mine through this thread about the MWC's upcoming TV contract value. I haven't quantified the various voices and their positions.

http://www.mwcboard.com/index.php?/topic...act-value/



So just a few message board posters
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(07-07-2017 09:39 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 06:53 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  Feel free to mine through this thread about the MWC's upcoming TV contract value. I haven't quantified the various voices and their positions.

http://www.mwcboard.com/index.php?/topic...act-value/



So just a few message board posters
In these parts we call them "insiders". They're never wrong and news happens on Tuesday's.
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(07-07-2017 06:28 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  With all the talk about the MWC going solely to streaming, the idea of MWC secession is being talked about a lot.
It is possible the MWC media revenue will be so low that teams will be able to make more from their own deals?
Many are speculating that Boise is going to have to give up their special considerations and just be an ordinary member. This can't sit well with the Broncos.
A Football-Indy syndicate with BYU, Hawaii, San Diego, and Boise, becoming allies (as SDSU and Boise park their Olympics in the Big West) might give those teams a big leg up on the SJSUs. Add the Nevada schools and the Big West would make the MWC its... 05-nono.

Some of those schools will need to do what they need to do. 

I missed this. Interesting....
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(07-07-2017 09:41 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 09:39 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 06:53 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  Feel free to mine through this thread about the MWC's upcoming TV contract value. I haven't quantified the various voices and their positions.

http://www.mwcboard.com/index.php?/topic...act-value/



So just a few message board posters
In these parts we call them "insiders". They're never wrong and news happens on Tuesday's.

Oh...nevermind. I thought this was a thing until I started reading the attached thread.
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C-USA is in same boat, that would make over 30 indepentents
some schools it would work
Haw has it's own cable deal now, ESPN would keep Boise
AF to CBS, SDST to ESPN, Utah St to BYUtv
LHN could sign, NM,NMST,NoTex,UTEP,UTSA,Rice,LT,LousL,ArkSt,Marshall,Mass,TexSt
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RE: Football-Indy Syndicate: Possible secession plan for MWC schools prior to 2020
The question I think is who could get the most benefit from the MWC going Indy?

Hawaii-Has already a nice situation in the MWC with a split Big West membership.

SDSU-Stadium downsizing makes hosting P5's an issue.

UNLV-Could take advantage of NFL stadium for hosting games.

Boise St-Has the name, ability to possibly sell independent TV rights.

Air Force-Plays independent Army every year.

Colorado St-New stadium and ambition.

Of all the schools, UNLV probably has the most realistic argument for it. They could easily rejoin the Big West as they are just a few hours from Southern California. CFP money probably isn't real important to them. Lastly, the state of the Nevada doesn't have any existing P5 schools so UNLV as a major independent could stand above the MWC.
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Would SDSU face any resistance from the UC block in the Big West after what happened to UCSD?
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UNLV as an Indy could probably count on every year:

-Nevada
-BYU
-NMSU
-4-6 P5 games
-4-6 G5 games

Big West has only 9 members and could use a 10th for scheduling. It would raise their basketball profile significantly to count UNLV as a member.

For most of the other schools it becomes a big question where to park Olympic sports. The WCC is only for private schools. The Big West doesn't want to stray far from California. There is always the WAC but that is pretty crappy.
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(07-08-2017 12:20 AM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote:  Would SDSU face any resistance from the UC block in the Big West after what happened to UCSD?

My guess is yes.
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(07-08-2017 12:30 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 12:20 AM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote:  Would SDSU face any resistance from the UC block in the Big West after what happened to UCSD?

My guess is yes.

SDSU was admitted in 2011 with no issues
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(07-08-2017 12:30 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  UNLV as an Indy could probably count on every year:

-Nevada
-BYU
-NMSU
-4-6 P5 games
-4-6 G5 games

Big West has only 9 members and could use a 10th for scheduling. It would raise their basketball profile significantly to count UNLV as a member.

For most of the other schools it becomes a big question where to park Olympic sports. The WCC is only for private schools. The Big West doesn't want to stray far from California. There is always the WAC but that is pretty crappy.

All of the MW western division, plus Boise and Utah State were Big West members at one point or another. There would be no issue with any of them.
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Once upon a time, we had an indy syndcate, particularly in the Northeast. There's a reason we don't anymore.
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Schools that I think could actually get an Independent with tv deals?

Schools with special deals.
Boise State ESPN
BYU ESPN
Air Force CBS Sports/Armed Forces Network
Army CBS Sports/Armed Forces Network
Navy CBS Sports/Armed Forces Network
Grambling State NBC
Southern U. NBC
North Dakota State ESPN

PAC 12, Big 10, SEC, ACC and longhorns Networks all could have filler games during football season.

I do not see many schools to be able to pull this off.

BYU
Army
UMass.

Who might be able to do this and be filler games for certain ESPN, SEC, ACC networks and Longhorns?

Eastern Washington
Montana
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
McNeese State
Sam Houston State
West Texas A&M (Longhorn Network and play New Mexico, New Mexico State, UTEP, Texas Tech, Arizona, Arizona State, UTSA, Texas State, Air Force, Colorado State, SMU, North Texas and so forth)
Missouri State SEC and Longhorn Network
Wichita State SEC and Longhorns for if they add football.
Youngstown State ACC, AAC and SEC Youngstown could get a deal to be on the ACC Network because they have beaten Pittsburgh and played exciting games against them.
Jacksonville State as an SEC filler games. They do schedule SEC schools so they still be on the Network anyways.
West Florida same as Jacksonville State.
Chattanooga SEC Network. A lot of schools in the area to play like Middle Tennessee State, Western Kentucky, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Memphis, Ole Miss, Miss. State, Arkansas, Arkansas State, Southern Miss., Alabama, Auburn, North Alabama, Jacksonville State, the Carolinas, Georgia, Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Georgia southern.
Towson could get it done with all the schools close by.
Delaware could also do it. CAA schools could be filler games on the ACC network. New Hampshire, Villanova, William and Mary, Richmond, Stony Brook, Albany, Maine and so forth already seemed to have an agreement to play ACC schools every year to the dismay of the CAA schools upsetting the ACC schools every year.
UTEP might be able to do this. They could play MWC, Big 12 and PAC 12 schools including New Mexico.
Houston could do it on their own.
UCF, East Carolina, Cincinnati, USF, Navy and Memphis could be able to do that.
Marshall, Southern Miss., Rice, Middle Tennessee State and Western Kentucky could do it.
Arkansas State, Georgia Southern, Kennesaw State, and so forth could work.
Toledo, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois, Western Michigan and Ohio could work out as well. Since these Networks for conferences would be tired out because why repeat games over and over again on off days? It could bring some of these Networks into new states without giving a full invite. Just make a deal with certain schools in your area in neighboring states to bring content to those states. It would be a coup for ESPN to have MWC, Big Sky, MVFC, Lone Star, GNAC, MAC, SBC, CAA, AAC, C-USA, Southern and many other conferences with large schools to be on their three main networks for the SEC, Longhorn and ACC Networks. You could get a coast to coast games on all three. I think would somebody on the east coast watch a great Azusa Pacific game on the SEC Network on a Thursday night game? Or a undefeated Colorado Mesa or Colorado State-Pueblo on a Thursday night game on the Longhorns Network? It could give some of these schools some exposure, and may help sell more tickets to these teams. We really do not give enough credit to the schools in the lower levels for how they do on the field enough. Exposing them in a large spotlight might help ESPN in a long run to sell these Networks, and to help these schools out big time. Minn-Duluth, Mankato State and St. Cloud State football on an ESPN Network could be cool as well. Spread the love around in case if the FBS does expand to add new conferences and schools? We could see these top D2 schools that do get some money make a move to D1 with the help from paychecks from these Networks as well.
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