Numbers should be off the table unless the conference has the naming rights to each potential number and changes the name accordingly - like the PAC 8 / 10 / 12. The Atlantic-10 is a mess as well.

Inspired by this article, here's the end result (2014) of a full merger between CUSA and the Big East football schools during the Great Realignment:

American Athletic Conference USA
East: Central Florida, East Carolina, South Florida, UAB
North: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Marshall, Temple
South: Memphis, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, UTEP

Green = from CUSA
Blue = from Big East
Italics = in AAC in our timeline

I assume that the Big East non-football schools would still break away and that Louisville, Rutgers, TCU, and West Virginia would still join the same conferences that they did in our timeline. Once left with 16 teams, the schools in the AAC/CUSA (or whatever they call themselves) split into 4-team pods, which rotate between two 8-team divisions (American and National) in a 3-year cycle.

Here's the AACUSA in the transitional 2013 season, a sprawling 18-school behemoth with no interdivisional FB games on the conference schedule:

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Louisville, Marshall, Rutgers, South Florida, Temple
West: Houston, Memphis, Rice, SMU, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UTEP

Three divisions would be nicer, but this conference certainly wouldn't have had the sway to deregulate CCGs and divisions by itself.

East: Central Florida, Connecticut, East Carolina, Rutgers, South Florida, Temple
Central: Cincinnati, Louisville, Marshall, Memphis, Southern Miss, UAB
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, UTEP

(11-21-2018 10:20 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Inspired by this article, here's the end result of a full merger between CUSA and the Big East football schools during the Great Realignment:

Conference USA/American Athletic Conference
East: Central Florida, East Carolina, South Florida, UAB
North: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Marshall, Temple
South: Memphis, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, UTEP

Green = from CUSA
Blue = from Big East
Italics = in AAC in our timeline

I assume that the Big East non-football schools would still break away and that Louisville, Rutgers, TCU, and West Virginia would still leave for the conferences in which they currently reside in our timeline. Once left with 16 teams, the schools in the AAC/CUSA (or whatever they call themselves) split into 4-team pods, which rotate between two 8-team divisions in a 3-year cycle.

Why go to pods instead of divisions? I would think the divisional set-up would work better, no?

East
Cincinnati
Connecticut
ECU
Marshall
Memphis
Temple
UCF
USF

West
Houston
Rice
SMU
Southern Mississippi
Tulane
Tulsa
UAB
UTEP

(11-21-2018 11:25 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Why go to pods instead of divisions? I would think the divisional set-up would work better, no?

East
Cincinnati
Connecticut
ECU
Marshall
Memphis
Temple
UCF
USF

West
Houston
Rice
SMU
Southern Mississippi
Tulane
Tulsa
UAB
UTEP

I suppose you could go with fixed divisions, but pods permit more variety in the conference schedule. With an 8-game schedule, it would take 6 years to play all teams at least twice (home and away) with pods, while it would take 16 years with fixed divisions.

(11-21-2018 11:25 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 10:20 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Inspired by this article, here's the end result of a full merger between CUSA and the Big East football schools during the Great Realignment:

Conference USA/American Athletic Conference
East: Central Florida, East Carolina, South Florida, UAB
North: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Marshall, Temple
South: Memphis, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, UTEP

Green = from CUSA
Blue = from Big East
Italics = in AAC in our timeline

I assume that the Big East non-football schools would still break away and that Louisville, Rutgers, TCU, and West Virginia would still leave for the conferences in which they currently reside in our timeline. Once left with 16 teams, the schools in the AAC/CUSA (or whatever they call themselves) split into 4-team pods, which rotate between two 8-team divisions in a 3-year cycle.

Why go to pods instead of divisions? I would think the divisional set-up would work better, no?

East
Cincinnati
Connecticut
ECU
Marshall
Memphis
Temple
UCF
USF

West
Houston
Rice
SMU
Southern Mississippi
Tulane
Tulsa
UAB
UTEP

Thats a dream come true for the Thundering Herd fans. Thats an instant upgrade while the West looks like same ol' CUSA.

My alternate history timeline goes all the way back to March of 2018. The NCAA decides to wade into college football and divides DI into four subdivisions.

The top classification (4A) has 45 schools, broken into two conferences of two divisions each, plus one Independent (Notre Dame).

Southeastern Conference (SEC) (in order of their 6 year weighted average Sagarin rating):

East: Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Florida State, Auburn, Miami, Virginia Tech, Florida, Georgia Tech, Tennessee and South Carolina.

West: Oklahoma, LSU, Oklahoma State, TCU, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri and Texas Tech.


Great Big Conference (B1G):

East: Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, Northwestern, Pitt, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa State.

West: Stanford, Washington, Southern Cal, Oregon, Utah, UCLA, Washington State, Arizona State, Arizona, California and Oregon State.


This subdivision plays a full round robin within each division - five home, five away. They have a postseason tournament consisting of the top three finishers in each division plus four at-large teams. Semifinal games will be played on New Year's at the Rose Bowl and the Sugar Bowl. The Finals will be rotated among bidding cities with a warm weather or domed stadium. Bowl eligibility requires at least five wins, no more than one of which can be against a 2A opponent, and none of which can be 1A.


Class 3A consists of 40 schools in four Conferences plus one Independent (BYU).

American (AAC): Kansas State, Baylor, Memphis, Houston, Central Florida, South Florida, Colorado, SMU and Kansas.

Atlantic Coast (ACC): NC State, North Carolina, Duke, Boston College, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Maryland, Virginia and Rutgers.

Big Nine: Louisville, West Virginia, Indiana, Temple, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Purdue, Cincinnati and Illinois.

Mountain West Conference (MWC): Boise State, San Diego State, Utah State, Colorado State, Air Force, Fresno State, Wyoming, Nevada, New Mexico, UNLV, San Jose State and Hawaii.


This subdivision plays a full round robin (four home, four away) except for the MWC, which plays a divisionless nine game conference schedule. Their postseason tournament consists of the four conference champions plus four at large teams. The finals for this tournament will be played on New Year's Day or later at the Orange Bowl. Bowl eligibility requires at least six wins, no more than one of which can be against a 1A opponent.


Division 2A consists of 45 schools in three Conferences - the MAC, Sunbelt and C-USA - plus 9 Independents: Navy, Tulsa, East Carolina, Army, Tulane, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Liberty and New Mexico State. The conferences may determine their champion by a one game playoff. Their postseason tournament consists of the three Conference champions plus one at-large team. The finals of this tournament will be played at the Peach Bowl in Atlanta no earlier than December 30th. Bowl eligibility criteria are the same as Division 3A.


Teams in Division 1A may opt to move up to Division 2A by invitation of one of its conferences, or as an Independent.

(11-21-2018 10:20 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Inspired by this article, here's the end result (2014) of a full merger between CUSA and the Big East football schools during the Great Realignment:

American Athletic Conference USA
East: Central Florida, East Carolina, South Florida, UAB
North: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Marshall, Temple
South: Memphis, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, UTEP

Green = from CUSA
Blue = from Big East
Italics = in AAC in our timeline

I assume that the Big East non-football schools would still break away and that Louisville, Rutgers, TCU, and West Virginia would still join the same conferences that they did in our timeline. Once left with 16 teams, the schools in the AAC/CUSA (or whatever they call themselves) split into 4-team pods, which rotate between two 8-team divisions (American and National) in a 3-year cycle.

Here's the AACUSA in the transitional 2013 season, a sprawling 18-school behemoth with no interdivisional FB games on the conference schedule:

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Louisville, Marshall, Rutgers, South Florida, Temple
West: Houston, Memphis, Rice, SMU, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UTEP

Three divisions would be nicer, but this conference certainly wouldn't have had the sway to deregulate CCGs and divisions by itself.

East: Central Florida, Connecticut, East Carolina, Rutgers, South Florida, Temple
Central: Cincinnati, Louisville, Marshall, Memphis, Southern Miss, UAB
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, UTEP

An interesting concept but I don't think there was ever any real interest in elevating the entire C-USA. UTEP and Rice have been awful. There would be no real reason to add the extra bulk to the league and divide the revenue among more members.

(11-13-2018 03:26 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Numbers should be off the table unless the conference has the naming rights to each potential number and changes the name accordingly - like the PAC 8 / 10 / 12. The Atlantic-10 is a mess as well.

The Pac should drop the 12. Big 10 and Big 12 don't have much choice.

American Athletic Conference still as a P6 without any realignment.

Cincinnati
UConn
LOUISVILLE
Rutgers
USF
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
TCU
Boise State football only
San Diego State football only
Houston
Notre Dame
Wichita State

This would kept Cincinnati, USF and UConn. in the Power Conferences, and 4 G5 schools that are front runners be in a Power Conference. PAC 12 would still be PAC 10 and Utah stuck in the MWC. If PAC 12 gone ahead and add Utah and Colorado? The AAC schools are now in a stable conference without the catholic 7. Big 12 would look west at Colorado State, New Mexico or BYU for number 12.

(11-22-2018 10:22 AM)ken d Wrote:  My alternate history timeline goes all the way back to March of 2018. The NCAA decides to wade into college football and divides DI into four subdivisions.

The top classification (4A) has 45 schools, broken into two conferences of two divisions each, plus one Independent (Notre Dame).

Southeastern Conference (SEC) (in order of their 6 year weighted average Sagarin rating):

East: Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Florida State, Auburn, Miami, Virginia Tech, Florida, Georgia Tech, Tennessee and South Carolina.

West: Oklahoma, LSU, Oklahoma State, TCU, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri and Texas Tech.


Great Big Conference (B1G):

East: Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, Northwestern, Pitt, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa State.

West: Stanford, Washington, Southern Cal, Oregon, Utah, UCLA, Washington State, Arizona State, Arizona, California and Oregon State.


This subdivision plays a full round robin within each division - five home, five away. They have a postseason tournament consisting of the top three finishers in each division plus four at-large teams. Semifinal games will be played on New Year's at the Rose Bowl and the Sugar Bowl. The Finals will be rotated among bidding cities with a warm weather or domed stadium. Bowl eligibility requires at least five wins, no more than one of which can be against a 2A opponent, and none of which can be 1A.


Class 3A consists of 40 schools in four Conferences plus one Independent (BYU).

American (AAC): Kansas State, Baylor, Memphis, Houston, Central Florida, South Florida, Colorado, SMU and Kansas.

Atlantic Coast (ACC): NC State, North Carolina, Duke, Boston College, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Maryland, Virginia and Rutgers.

Big Nine: Louisville, West Virginia, Indiana, Temple, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Purdue, Cincinnati and Illinois.

Mountain West Conference (MWC): Boise State, San Diego State, Utah State, Colorado State, Air Force, Fresno State, Wyoming, Nevada, New Mexico, UNLV, San Jose State and Hawaii.


This subdivision plays a full round robin (four home, four away) except for the MWC, which plays a divisionless nine game conference schedule. Their postseason tournament consists of the four conference champions plus four at large teams. The finals for this tournament will be played on New Year's Day or later at the Orange Bowl. Bowl eligibility requires at least six wins, no more than one of which can be against a 1A opponent.


Division 2A consists of 45 schools in three Conferences - the MAC, Sunbelt and C-USA - plus 9 Independents: Navy, Tulsa, East Carolina, Army, Tulane, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Liberty and New Mexico State. The conferences may determine their champion by a one game playoff. Their postseason tournament consists of the three Conference champions plus one at-large team. The finals of this tournament will be played at the Peach Bowl in Atlanta no earlier than December 30th. Bowl eligibility criteria are the same as Division 3A.


Teams in Division 1A may opt to move up to Division 2A by invitation of one of its conferences, or as an Independent.

Future scenarios are fine -- no need to pretend they're alternate history.

How about this division naming system instead?

4A = 1A
3A = 1B
2A = 1C
1A = 1D

(11-22-2018 11:25 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 10:20 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Inspired by this article, here's the end result (2014) of a full merger between CUSA and the Big East football schools during the Great Realignment:

American Athletic Conference USA
East: Central Florida, East Carolina, South Florida, UAB
North: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Marshall, Temple
South: Memphis, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, UTEP

Green = from CUSA
Blue = from Big East
Italics = in AAC in our timeline

I assume that the Big East non-football schools would still break away and that Louisville, Rutgers, TCU, and West Virginia would still join the same conferences that they did in our timeline. Once left with 16 teams, the schools in the AAC/CUSA (or whatever they call themselves) split into 4-team pods, which rotate between two 8-team divisions (American and National) in a 3-year cycle.

Here's the AACUSA in the transitional 2013 season, a sprawling 18-school behemoth with no interdivisional FB games on the conference schedule:

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Louisville, Marshall, Rutgers, South Florida, Temple
West: Houston, Memphis, Rice, SMU, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UTEP

Three divisions would be nicer, but this conference certainly wouldn't have had the sway to deregulate CCGs and divisions by itself.

East: Central Florida, Connecticut, East Carolina, Rutgers, South Florida, Temple
Central: Cincinnati, Louisville, Marshall, Memphis, Southern Miss, UAB
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, UTEP

An interesting concept but I don't think there was ever any real interest in elevating the entire C-USA. UTEP and Rice have been awful. There would be no real reason to add the extra bulk to the league and divide the revenue among more members.

True enough, which is why it didn't happen.

(11-22-2018 12:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-13-2018 03:26 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Numbers should be off the table unless the conference has the naming rights to each potential number and changes the name accordingly - like the PAC 8 / 10 / 12. The Atlantic-10 is a mess as well.

The Pac should drop the 12. Big 10 and Big 12 don't have much choice.

Unlike literally every single other NCAA conference with a number in its name, the Pac-12 is actually accurate, and they've shown that they're willing to change to keep it accurate. Still, I'd be OK with just the "PAC" (Pacific Athletic Conference).

The Big Ten certainly has a choice, but they won't go for the Big 14.

(11-21-2018 10:20 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Inspired by this article, here's the end result (2014) of a full merger between CUSA and the Big East football schools during the Great Realignment:

American Athletic Conference USA
East: Central Florida, East Carolina, South Florida, UAB
North: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Marshall, Temple
South: Memphis, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, UTEP

Green = from CUSA
Blue = from Big East
Italics = in AAC in our timeline

I assume that the Big East non-football schools would still break away and that Louisville, Rutgers, TCU, and West Virginia would still join the same conferences that they did in our timeline. Once left with 16 teams, the schools in the AAC/CUSA (or whatever they call themselves) split into 4-team pods, which rotate between two 8-team divisions (American and National) in a 3-year cycle.

Here's the AACUSA in the transitional 2013 season, a sprawling 18-school behemoth with no interdivisional FB games on the conference schedule:

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Louisville, Marshall, Rutgers, South Florida, Temple
West: Houston, Memphis, Rice, SMU, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UTEP

Three divisions would be nicer, but this conference certainly wouldn't have had the sway to deregulate CCGs and divisions by itself.

East: Central Florida, Connecticut, East Carolina, Rutgers, South Florida, Temple
Central: Cincinnati, Louisville, Marshall, Memphis, Southern Miss, UAB
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, UTEP

I wish that the Big 12 would have expanded to 12, offering Cincinnati and Louisvile spots when they admitted WVU and TCU.

Big East football would have been reduced to UConn, Rutgers, and USF. The Catholic 7 and ND might not have been anxious to rebuild at that point, leaving the trio in a bit of a jam until Big Ten expansion sends Rutgers to the B10 and UConn to the ACC. USF goes to C-USA with one other--LA Tech or UTSA.

Temple and UMass have a nice existence as MAC football affiliates.

The SBC doesn't experience the mass exodus.

WAC football stays in business, but desperately requires new blood and probably recruits some new programs.

I'm not sure that we see GA Southern, App St, ODU, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, and Liberty as FBS programs unless the WAC recruits them as a unit to be their east coast division.

(11-23-2018 10:39 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 10:20 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Inspired by this article, here's the end result (2014) of a full merger between CUSA and the Big East football schools during the Great Realignment:

American Athletic Conference USA
East: Central Florida, East Carolina, South Florida, UAB
North: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Marshall, Temple
South: Memphis, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, UTEP

Green = from CUSA
Blue = from Big East
Italics = in AAC in our timeline

I assume that the Big East non-football schools would still break away and that Louisville, Rutgers, TCU, and West Virginia would still join the same conferences that they did in our timeline. Once left with 16 teams, the schools in the AAC/CUSA (or whatever they call themselves) split into 4-team pods, which rotate between two 8-team divisions (American and National) in a 3-year cycle.

Here's the AACUSA in the transitional 2013 season, a sprawling 18-school behemoth with no interdivisional FB games on the conference schedule:

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Louisville, Marshall, Rutgers, South Florida, Temple
West: Houston, Memphis, Rice, SMU, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UTEP

Three divisions would be nicer, but this conference certainly wouldn't have had the sway to deregulate CCGs and divisions by itself.

East: Central Florida, Connecticut, East Carolina, Rutgers, South Florida, Temple
Central: Cincinnati, Louisville, Marshall, Memphis, Southern Miss, UAB
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, UTEP

I wish that the Big 12 would have expanded to 12, offering Cincinnati and Louisvile spots when they admitted WVU and TCU.

Big East football would have been reduced to UConn, Rutgers, and USF. The Catholic 7 and ND might not have been anxious to rebuild at that point, leaving the trio in a bit of a jam until Big Ten expansion sends Rutgers to the B10 and UConn to the ACC. USF goes to C-USA with one other--LA Tech or UTSA.

Temple and UMass have a nice existence as MAC football affiliates.

The SBC doesn't experience the mass exodus.

WAC football stays in business, but desperately requires new blood and probably recruits some new programs.

I'm not sure that we see GA Southern, App St, ODU, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, and Liberty as FBS programs unless the WAC recruits them as a unit to be their east coast division.

Even now the Big XII could add Cincinnati and Memphis - it would bridge WV to the rest of the conference, and those two schools play pretty good football AND basketball.

(11-23-2018 11:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 10:39 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 10:20 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Inspired by this article, here's the end result (2014) of a full merger between CUSA and the Big East football schools during the Great Realignment:

American Athletic Conference USA
East: Central Florida, East Carolina, South Florida, UAB
North: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Marshall, Temple
South: Memphis, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, UTEP

Green = from CUSA
Blue = from Big East
Italics = in AAC in our timeline

I assume that the Big East non-football schools would still break away and that Louisville, Rutgers, TCU, and West Virginia would still join the same conferences that they did in our timeline. Once left with 16 teams, the schools in the AAC/CUSA (or whatever they call themselves) split into 4-team pods, which rotate between two 8-team divisions (American and National) in a 3-year cycle.

Here's the AACUSA in the transitional 2013 season, a sprawling 18-school behemoth with no interdivisional FB games on the conference schedule:

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Louisville, Marshall, Rutgers, South Florida, Temple
West: Houston, Memphis, Rice, SMU, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UTEP

Three divisions would be nicer, but this conference certainly wouldn't have had the sway to deregulate CCGs and divisions by itself.

East: Central Florida, Connecticut, East Carolina, Rutgers, South Florida, Temple
Central: Cincinnati, Louisville, Marshall, Memphis, Southern Miss, UAB
West: Houston, Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, UTEP

I wish that the Big 12 would have expanded to 12, offering Cincinnati and Louisvile spots when they admitted WVU and TCU.

Big East football would have been reduced to UConn, Rutgers, and USF. The Catholic 7 and ND might not have been anxious to rebuild at that point, leaving the trio in a bit of a jam until Big Ten expansion sends Rutgers to the B10 and UConn to the ACC. USF goes to C-USA with one other--LA Tech or UTSA.

Temple and UMass have a nice existence as MAC football affiliates.

The SBC doesn't experience the mass exodus.

WAC football stays in business, but desperately requires new blood and probably recruits some new programs.

I'm not sure that we see GA Southern, App St, ODU, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, and Liberty as FBS programs unless the WAC recruits them as a unit to be their east coast division.

Even now the Big XII could add Cincinnati and Memphis - it would bridge WV to the rest of the conference, and those two schools play pretty good football AND basketball.

True. I was more focused on creating a plausible scenario where all but 1 of the Big East football schools would have been consolidated into a P5. The end result for the G5 is a pretty nice 14 member C-USA who has to contend with a 10 member MWC for the NY6 slot.

WAC football maintains Idaho, NMSU, Utah St, San Jose St and at least one or possibly two of UTSA, LA Tech, and Texas St.

As far as things go now, the Big 12 is not going to add members unless we see seismic shifts involving Oklahoma and possibly Texas.

SMU joining the C-USA with TCU (almost a done deal) would have been interesting. What would divisions have looked like?

Cincinnati
Louisville
ECU
Memphis
S. Florida
UAB

S. Miss
Tulane
Army
Houston
SMU
TCU

(11-24-2018 09:12 AM)esayem Wrote:  SMU joining the C-USA with TCU (almost a done deal) would have been interesting. What would divisions have looked like?

Cincinnati
Louisville
ECU
Memphis
S. Florida
UAB

S. Miss
Tulane
Army
Houston
SMU
TCU

If SMU goes to C-USA at its founding that's 13 schools--you'd need a 14th to keep things even.

I’d have to look it up but I think it was ~1999/2000 when TCU was invited. The idea was to capture the entirety of the DFW market.

ECU and Army were football-only at the time, but ECU ended up getting full membership.

(11-22-2018 08:25 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 12:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-13-2018 03:26 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Numbers should be off the table unless the conference has the naming rights to each potential number and changes the name accordingly - like the PAC 8 / 10 / 12. The Atlantic-10 is a mess as well.

The Pac should drop the 12. Big 10 and Big 12 don't have much choice.

Unlike literally every single other NCAA conference with a number in its name, the Pac-12 is actually accurate, and they've shown that they're willing to change to keep it accurate. Still, I'd be OK with just the "PAC" (Pacific Athletic Conference).

The Big Ten certainly has a choice, but they won't go for the Big 14.

If you look at their logo, they seem to be waiting until they get to 16 before making the change.

(11-24-2018 12:55 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 08:25 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 12:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-13-2018 03:26 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Numbers should be off the table unless the conference has the naming rights to each potential number and changes the name accordingly - like the PAC 8 / 10 / 12. The Atlantic-10 is a mess as well.

The Pac should drop the 12. Big 10 and Big 12 don't have much choice.

Unlike literally every single other NCAA conference with a number in its name, the Pac-12 is actually accurate, and they've shown that they're willing to change to keep it accurate. Still, I'd be OK with just the "PAC" (Pacific Athletic Conference).

The Big Ten certainly has a choice, but they won't go for the Big 14.

If you look at their logo, they seem to be waiting until they get to 16 before making the change.

I've definitely noticed that. Just extend the bar on the G a little farther to the left...