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Exclamation Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
Just a thought here with all the talk about Texas being this coveted free agent.

In many ways the Texas brand has outgrown performance expectation. What I mean by this is there is know way the football team on the field can match the athletic ego the same way its been at Notre Dame for the past 30 years or so.

PAC could add KU/OU to 14 and Texas w/ ND type deal with a guarantee OU shows up on the PAC schedule.

Then Texas could trick out its home schedule with Notre Dame, Tennessee, Penn State a bunch of other programs who are no longer in it for the standings.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
That would be a good result. Not sure if that's possible.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
Texas makes more money in the Big 12 now, by getting to keep all of the revenue from LHN to itself, than it would in any other P conf and having to share all revenues equally.

Until that changes, I don't see Texas voluntarily leaving its current situation.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
So a setup like the ACC? I doubt the PAC wants that, unless the TV gurus are willing to up the contract in consideration that Texas will be on a PAC schedule for 5 or 6 games.
Texas will have to give up the LHN unless ESPN will let them keep it for football only. But then, they might as well just have a separate TV contract for football with some network that will be equivalent to what they are currently getting with the LHN+TV.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
(07-06-2017 01:11 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Texas makes more money in the Big 12 now, by getting to keep all of the revenue from LHN to itself, than it would in any other P conf and having to share all revenues equally.

Until that changes, I don't see Texas voluntarily leaving its current situation.

Especially to put all its other sports in a conference two time zones to the west.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
Their volleyball team would fit right in with the PAC, has been one of the best in the country for some time.

Not sure how well the school and fans support the baseball and softball teams, but the PAC is also one of the best confs for those too.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
The PAC would at least consider it. It might even be better than a full eastern division expansion. Add the Red River Rivalry, all of Oklahoma football and a couple other Texas-PAC road games to the TV inventory! Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas basketball! That's likely enough to get the PACN in DFW, Austin, OKC, and KC - may be even resolve the DirecTV distribution.

NORTH: Stanford, Cal, Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU, Utah
SOUTH: UCLA, USC, Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Oklahoma, Kansas

May be enough to add the Fiesta Bowl as a secondary PAC contract bowl (to which Texas is occasionally eligible), especially if the diminished Big 12 loses the Sugar Bowl.

15 teams for Olympic sports, with mostly regional matchups to limit Austin-Corvallis, Norman-Eugene, and Lawrence-Pullman Olympic sports road trips.

Not much negotiation needed for the LHN. Texas would keep rights to all of its home football content, so that's a non-issue. LHN would only need a handful of OOC basketball and other Olympic sports games and rerun content to keep the status quo. PACN could get all of Kansas and Oklahoma basketball and most of Texas' quality basketball....
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
I wonder if Texas and the Pac >12 would want a couple of other Texas schools for travel considerations as well as Texas not scaling too far back on playing in the state:


Northwest - Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State
Southwest - Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas Tech, TCU
Mountain - Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State
Coastal - California, UCLA, Southern California, Stanford

Texas would get six games - everyone in the Southwest quad, and one each from the other three quads; this also gives them a minimum of three games (four if their home games with Texas Tech and TCU are staggered) in the state of Texas.

If the Pac could bury the hatchet with BYU, it could do the same arrangement with them, and then 12 of the 16 football members have ten games. We know Norte Dame will typically be good for two Pac games (USC and Stanford), so they could be excluded from the tenth game arrangement. At that point you wonder if Texas and BYU would be asked for a seventh game to accomodate the rest of the conference.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
(07-06-2017 07:39 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I wonder if Texas and the Pac >12 would want a couple of other Texas schools for travel considerations as well as Texas not scaling too far back on playing in the state:


Northwest - Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State
Southwest - Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas Tech, TCU
Mountain - Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State
Coastal - California, UCLA, Southern California, Stanford

Texas would get six games - everyone in the Southwest quad, and one each from the other three quads; this also gives them a minimum of three games (four if their home games with Texas Tech and TCU are staggered) in the state of Texas.

If the Pac could bury the hatchet with BYU, it could do the same arrangement with them, and then 12 of the 16 football members have ten games. We know Norte Dame will typically be good for two Pac games (USC and Stanford), so they could be excluded from the tenth game arrangement. At that point you wonder if Texas and BYU would be asked for a seventh game to accomodate the rest of the conference.

I don't know what's crazier, BYU in the PAC or playing 7 PAC games a year and still being called an "Independent school".
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
The question is "could". Yes they could.

I don't think Texas has any incentive to ask for it as long as OU is in the Big XII and I don't believe P12 would view it as in their best interest to offer it.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
USC and UCLA would never allow it they were demanding $20 million a year when the past PAC 12 deal was being done because of their "market"

and Stanford would not allow it either because Stanford would not be happy with the number of Olympic sports they sponsor while Texas sponsors a great deal fewer and is getting special treatment

then Oregon and Cal and probably UW would not want to feel like little sisters to those three (and Texas) so they would be against it as well
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
(07-06-2017 11:42 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Then Texas could trick out its home schedule with Notre Dame, Tennessee, Penn State a bunch of other programs who are no longer in it for the standings.

Wait, what?
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
The PAC should do it providedTexas comes in as a full member in 2031.

1) the PAC can go down to a 7 game conference. Zipper the California schools into CAL-UCLA and Stan-USC. Cal-UCLA play the SW schools in even years and the NW schools in odd years (divisions alternate). The California schools play each other annually. The SW and NW schools play each other every other year.
2) reinstate the B1G-PAC challenge (PAC12+UT+Rice versus B1G). Schedule 6 games/year PAC vs UT/Rice.

That brings the PAC up to 9 fixed P5 games (7 PAC, 1B1G, 1UT/Rice).
It brings UT/Rice up to 8 fixed P5 games (6 PAC, 1 B1G, 1UT vs Rice).

In 2031 add Rice, UT, TTU, and UCSD as full members.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
(07-06-2017 08:36 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 11:42 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Then Texas could trick out its home schedule with Notre Dame, Tennessee, Penn State a bunch of other programs who are no longer in it for the standings.

Wait, what?

They are programs where the supporters are showing up for the institution more so than the product at this point.

There was a time when Penn State was an outsider playing in a 50,000 seater with a chip on its shoulder where it was a fight every week for respect in the rankings.

Now it's just a mega huge program that plays decent football against top flight competition. Championship hunger is no longer there. Fans accept the glory days are in the past but show up because the football is a major event.

It's like these classic names that have raised admission standards which give them the effective talent level of a Northwestern. A Top 10 finish becomes a high water mark when the Alabama's and Ohio State's are laser focused on a national title.

Florida State I feel while past it's peak still has that championship hunger to try and sign the nation's top recruiting class. They'll never take a Northwestern mindset to recruiting.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
I'm not sure why the PAC is even considering 16 team setup given the travel 18 should be the goal. I think the money is there for the PAC but they have to build it first
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
The PAC isn't considering 16. Or 18, or 14.

This is just a "for fun" thread, that someone started to throw it against the wall, for giggles.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
But especially not 14.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
There is no less reason to expand from 12 to 14 than to expand from 10 to 12.

If there were two solid schools to add in the West, the PAC would've added them.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
I'd say the ability to host a CCG was a compelling reason to move from 10 to 12. And getting the ball rolling with CU first in order to try to lure Texas + friends while blocking Baylor also made a ton of sense. The move to 14, however, would force the Pac to make some very difficult decisions about its internal alignment because there are only so many games in CA to go around and the four CA schools insist on always playing each other. 14 is much less compelling unless the two additions are Texas and Texas A&M.
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RE: Could the PAC give Texas an ND type deal?
With 14, and 4 in CA, and the remaining 10 demanding a CA game every year, I think you can do that with 10 conf games.

10 is more fair than 9 anyway, as it gives every team 5 and 5 home/away.
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