(07-06-2017 04:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 03:11 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  We sure took a ride down a hole with this thread.

Fact: Our recruiting has been better

That's all we really need to know. And we've discussed in many other threads why we think it's been better.

What is that based on exactly? And are you talking this year or previous years?

You took the bait. It's MD. Just let it go.

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(07-06-2017 05:07 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 03:11 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  We sure took a ride down a hole with this thread.

Fact: Our recruiting has been better

That's all we really need to know. And we've discussed in many other threads why we think it's been better.

What is that based on exactly? And are you talking this year or previous years?

You took the bait. It's MD. Just let it go.

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Based on most having NIU 4th in the MAC west this year behind Toledo wmu and emu. Doesn't mean much to hear this guy say we are out recruiting everyone in the state when we are seen as 4th best team in the MAC West.

(07-06-2017 07:59 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:07 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 03:11 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  We sure took a ride down a hole with this thread.

Fact: Our recruiting has been better

That's all we really need to know. And we've discussed in many other threads why we think it's been better.

What is that based on exactly? And are you talking this year or previous years?

You took the bait. It's MD. Just let it go.

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Based on most having NIU 4th in the MAC west this year behind Toledo wmu and emu. Doesn't mean much to hear this guy say we are out recruiting everyone in the state when we are seen as 4th best team in the MAC West.

Reggie Jennings (would be our top rated commit in this class) isn't even on our list yet for 247. Once he's added we will go back up


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(07-06-2017 08:00 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 07:59 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:07 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 03:11 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  We sure took a ride down a hole with this thread.

Fact: Our recruiting has been better

That's all we really need to know. And we've discussed in many other threads why we think it's been better.

What is that based on exactly? And are you talking this year or previous years?

You took the bait. It's MD. Just let it go.

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Based on most having NIU 4th in the MAC west this year behind Toledo wmu and emu. Doesn't mean much to hear this guy say we are out recruiting everyone in the state when we are seen as 4th best team in the MAC West.

Reggie Jennings (would be our top rated commit in this class) isn't even on our list yet for 247. Once he's added we will go back up


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The only meaningful recruiting measure of Carey to me is the known returning talent this year compared to other MAC schools We don't measure up well at all unfortunately

(07-06-2017 08:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 08:00 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 07:59 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:07 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 04:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  What is that based on exactly? And are you talking this year or previous years?

You took the bait. It's MD. Just let it go.

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Based on most having NIU 4th in the MAC west this year behind Toledo wmu and emu. Doesn't mean much to hear this guy say we are out recruiting everyone in the state when we are seen as 4th best team in the MAC West.

Reggie Jennings (would be our top rated commit in this class) isn't even on our list yet for 247. Once he's added we will go back up


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The only meaningful recruiting measure of Carey to me is the known returning talent this year compared to other MAC schools We don't measure up well at all unfortunately

The one that includes the best secondary and offensive line in the MAC? The one with the largest D-line end to end the program has had? Face it, Carey has failed at finding a QB. That's the best complaint you have. Put Woodside on NIU and they're the favorite. Put Ragland or Roback on NIU and they're co-favorite. The talent level is the same. MAC talent.

(07-06-2017 09:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 08:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 08:00 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 07:59 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:07 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  You took the bait. It's MD. Just let it go.

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Based on most having NIU 4th in the MAC west this year behind Toledo wmu and emu. Doesn't mean much to hear this guy say we are out recruiting everyone in the state when we are seen as 4th best team in the MAC West.

Reggie Jennings (would be our top rated commit in this class) isn't even on our list yet for 247. Once he's added we will go back up


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The only meaningful recruiting measure of Carey to me is the known returning talent this year compared to other MAC schools We don't measure up well at all unfortunately

The one that includes the best secondary and offensive line in the MAC? The one with the largest D-line end to end the program has had? Face it, Carey has failed at finding a QB. That's the best complaint you have. Put Woodside on NIU and they're the favorite. Put Ragland or Roback on NIU and they're co-favorite. The talent level is the same. MAC talent.

Well if NIU is doing the best in the state, then it must be scary what WMU and Toledo would do in the Big 10.

The program has declined under Carey, in a huge huge way, that is not up for debate

(07-06-2017 09:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 09:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 08:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 08:00 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 07:59 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Based on most having NIU 4th in the MAC west this year behind Toledo wmu and emu. Doesn't mean much to hear this guy say we are out recruiting everyone in the state when we are seen as 4th best team in the MAC West.

Reggie Jennings (would be our top rated commit in this class) isn't even on our list yet for 247. Once he's added we will go back up


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The only meaningful recruiting measure of Carey to me is the known returning talent this year compared to other MAC schools We don't measure up well at all unfortunately

The one that includes the best secondary and offensive line in the MAC? The one with the largest D-line end to end the program has had? Face it, Carey has failed at finding a QB. That's the best complaint you have. Put Woodside on NIU and they're the favorite. Put Ragland or Roback on NIU and they're co-favorite. The talent level is the same. MAC talent.

Well if NIU is doing the best in the state, then it must be scary what WMU and Toledo would do in the Big 10.

The program has declined under Carey, in a huge huge way, that is not up for debate

Lol. WMU was a one hit wonder(they don't scare me).Why do you think PJ ran for the money? Duh. Also Toledo always looks great on paper and does nothing . NIU is better than 85 % of the MAC barring QB injuries. So explain to me why we can't recruit? The recruiting class coming in for 2018 looks awesome thus far. Jordan Lynch is with the coaching staff, Cameron Stingily (Which is why we're crushing IL recruiting). We have 2 QB's with in game experience. The sky is not falling because you don't like Carey & Frazier. For the first time in 2 years the Football team is trending in a positive direction.

(07-06-2017 09:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 09:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 08:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 08:00 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 07:59 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Based on most having NIU 4th in the MAC west this year behind Toledo wmu and emu. Doesn't mean much to hear this guy say we are out recruiting everyone in the state when we are seen as 4th best team in the MAC West.

Reggie Jennings (would be our top rated commit in this class) isn't even on our list yet for 247. Once he's added we will go back up


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The only meaningful recruiting measure of Carey to me is the known returning talent this year compared to other MAC schools We don't measure up well at all unfortunately

The one that includes the best secondary and offensive line in the MAC? The one with the largest D-line end to end the program has had? Face it, Carey has failed at finding a QB. That's the best complaint you have. Put Woodside on NIU and they're the favorite. Put Ragland or Roback on NIU and they're co-favorite. The talent level is the same. MAC talent.

Well if NIU is doing the best in the state, then it must be scary what WMU and Toledo would do in the Big 10.

The program has declined under Carey, in a huge huge way, that is not up for debate

Its just returning to a normal, competitive level. Did you think 12-2 was going to be an annual thing? Has any MAC team had a decade or more of dominance? Tell me, why did this happen to all of these Mac teams:

2015 BGSU 10-4
2016 BGSU 4-8

2013 Ball state. 10-3
2014 Ball state 5-7

2008 Ball state 12-2
2009 Ball state 2-10

2009 CMU 12-2
2010 CMU 3-9

2002 Marshall 11-2
2004 Marshall 6-6

They all lost QB's who were all-time greats at their schools. The talent didn't just disappear. They peaked at the right time with the right QB. Then had a let down when they left.

(07-07-2017 12:07 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 09:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 09:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 08:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 08:00 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  Reggie Jennings (would be our top rated commit in this class) isn't even on our list yet for 247. Once he's added we will go back up


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The only meaningful recruiting measure of Carey to me is the known returning talent this year compared to other MAC schools We don't measure up well at all unfortunately

The one that includes the best secondary and offensive line in the MAC? The one with the largest D-line end to end the program has had? Face it, Carey has failed at finding a QB. That's the best complaint you have. Put Woodside on NIU and they're the favorite. Put Ragland or Roback on NIU and they're co-favorite. The talent level is the same. MAC talent.

Well if NIU is doing the best in the state, then it must be scary what WMU and Toledo would do in the Big 10.

The program has declined under Carey, in a huge huge way, that is not up for debate

Its just returning to a normal, competitive level. Did you think 12-2 was going to be an annual thing? Has any MAC team had a decade or more of dominance? Tell me, why did this happen to all of these Mac teams:

2015 BGSU 10-4
2016 BGSU 4-8

2013 Ball state. 10-3
2014 Ball state 5-7

2008 Ball state 12-2
2009 Ball state 2-10

2009 CMU 12-2
2010 CMU 3-9

2002 Marshall 11-2
2004 Marshall 6-6

They all lost QB's who were all-time greats at their schools. The talent didn't just disappear. They peaked at the right time with the right QB. Then had a let down when they left.

Shouldn't we be striving to not fall off the face of the earth like those schools though? I guess my biggest concern is not just Carey , it is the combination of Carey/Frazier. I don't have much faith in Frazier to right the ship. He has not made a personnel move of consequence yet, and his public statements really express no concern for the state of the football program.

(07-07-2017 05:08 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 12:07 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 09:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 09:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 08:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The only meaningful recruiting measure of Carey to me is the known returning talent this year compared to other MAC schools We don't measure up well at all unfortunately

The one that includes the best secondary and offensive line in the MAC? The one with the largest D-line end to end the program has had? Face it, Carey has failed at finding a QB. That's the best complaint you have. Put Woodside on NIU and they're the favorite. Put Ragland or Roback on NIU and they're co-favorite. The talent level is the same. MAC talent.

Well if NIU is doing the best in the state, then it must be scary what WMU and Toledo would do in the Big 10.

The program has declined under Carey, in a huge huge way, that is not up for debate

Its just returning to a normal, competitive level. Did you think 12-2 was going to be an annual thing? Has any MAC team had a decade or more of dominance? Tell me, why did this happen to all of these Mac teams:

2015 BGSU 10-4
2016 BGSU 4-8

2013 Ball state. 10-3
2014 Ball state 5-7

2008 Ball state 12-2
2009 Ball state 2-10

2009 CMU 12-2
2010 CMU 3-9

2002 Marshall 11-2
2004 Marshall 6-6

They all lost QB's who were all-time greats at their schools. The talent didn't just disappear. They peaked at the right time with the right QB. Then had a let down when they left.

Shouldn't we be striving to not fall off the face of the earth like those schools though? I guess my biggest concern is not just Carey , it is the combination of Carey/Frazier. I don't have much faith in Frazier to right the ship. He has not made a personnel move of consequence yet, and his public statements really express no concern for the state of the football program.

Don't worry. NIU won't fall off the face of the earth. I view Carey's career like this - in 13 he was just babysitting. Everything was in place. Players and system. Just follow the script from 12. In 14 it was mostly the same. Starting in 15 he began to try to put his stamp on the team. This may have lead to the supposed rebellion. 16 was full Carey with new coordinators. The first half of the season was an adjustment. The second half was the team you'll see in 17. Still no good QB, so success will be limited. But 16 was the bottom out. 17 will be all Carey recruits, no team dissention, and a team capable of competing for a west crown IF a real QB can emerge.

(07-07-2017 02:07 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 05:08 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 12:07 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 09:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 09:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The one that includes the best secondary and offensive line in the MAC? The one with the largest D-line end to end the program has had? Face it, Carey has failed at finding a QB. That's the best complaint you have. Put Woodside on NIU and they're the favorite. Put Ragland or Roback on NIU and they're co-favorite. The talent level is the same. MAC talent.

Well if NIU is doing the best in the state, then it must be scary what WMU and Toledo would do in the Big 10.

The program has declined under Carey, in a huge huge way, that is not up for debate

Its just returning to a normal, competitive level. Did you think 12-2 was going to be an annual thing? Has any MAC team had a decade or more of dominance? Tell me, why did this happen to all of these Mac teams:

2015 BGSU 10-4
2016 BGSU 4-8

2013 Ball state. 10-3
2014 Ball state 5-7

2008 Ball state 12-2
2009 Ball state 2-10

2009 CMU 12-2
2010 CMU 3-9

2002 Marshall 11-2
2004 Marshall 6-6

They all lost QB's who were all-time greats at their schools. The talent didn't just disappear. They peaked at the right time with the right QB. Then had a let down when they left.

Shouldn't we be striving to not fall off the face of the earth like those schools though? I guess my biggest concern is not just Carey , it is the combination of Carey/Frazier. I don't have much faith in Frazier to right the ship. He has not made a personnel move of consequence yet, and his public statements really express no concern for the state of the football program.

Don't worry. NIU won't fall off the face of the earth. I view Carey's career like this - in 13 he was just babysitting. Everything was in place. Players and system. Just follow the script from 12. In 14 it was mostly the same. Starting in 15 he began to try to put his stamp on the team. This may have lead to the supposed rebellion. 16 was full Carey with new coordinators. The first half of the season was an adjustment. The second half was the team you'll see in 17. Still no good QB, so success will be limited. But 16 was the bottom out. 17 will be all Carey recruits, no team dissention, and a team capable of competing for a west crown IF a real QB can emerge.

+1

Carey's best decision is to bring back former players as coaches and recruits.
They know the system and what it takes to make it work and can really sell NIU with "Trust me, I wouldn't coach at the school if I didn't like it"

(07-07-2017 03:44 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  Carey's best decision is to bring back former players as coaches and recruits.
They know the system and what it takes to make it work and can really sell NIU with "Trust me, I wouldn't coach at the school if I didn't like it"

I've never felt Carey had the charisma to recruit. Maybe he realized it as well? Either way, it's the right move.

I'm not a huge Carey fan. He's flawed, but he's not garbage. I feel he's learning as he goes. At least I hope that's the case.